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I think if he storms the brothel, he gonna do it with extreme prejudice...meaning only the kid will be outside his crosshairs, imo.
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I think if he storms the brothel, he gonna do it with extreme prejudice...meaning only the kid will be outside his crosshairs, imo.
SCULLIBUNDO
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I love that Harrow has any one of his guns out. Dude is going to war.
He's going to snipe the door men, bust in with his shotty, then once he's out move onto his pistols.
He's going to snipe the door men, bust in with his shotty, then once he's out move onto his pistols.
Remus agrees!
SCULLIBUNDO
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Remus can go fuck himself.
Though I want Gyp to die as well, I hope he does this before he dies. She's so cruel to Richard, can't stand her.
Btw, I'd like that part where Gyp used his full name to introduce himself to Chalky. Can't recall he used his full name before?
SCULLIBUNDO
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We ain't done cookin' yet, friend.
Don't single me out as if i was the only one in here to express dissatisfaction about the season - i wasn't. I didn't make up points of contention as even the supporters of the show felt they had merit but for their reasons didn't assign them the same weight.
I've addressed most of the counter-arguments about me appearing to you to be inconsistent.
I would really like to know what you feel is so accomplished in this season in comparison to the last two? Aside from the obvious technical stuff like production values; acting and such.
Like it or not Jimmy was a central pillar of the show in all departments and if you write him out then you better know how you're going to fill the void. I'm struggling to think how anyone who watched S2 would be content with S3 in that regard. They removed the pillar and it all hung loose. As i said previously i think the most harsh thing you can say about S3 is that it made Jimmy's death look like a last minute decision because if that's what they planned ahead to do in S3 then i gotta say that it simply doesn't cut it.
1. Disproportionate screen time allotment.
Is anyone disagreeing that the season did a terrible job juggling its various characters and storylines and giving them decent screen-time? Irrelevant of what the storylines were, season 3 underrepresented most of its 'secondary' characters (Capone, Chalky, Richard, Van Alden). Why was Chalky so prominent in the first 2-3 eps of the season only to vanish from existence up until last ep? Why did the Clinic arc get so much air time where others struggled to breath? How come there was an episode dedicated to families celebrating Easter but Chalky's, Capone's and Van Alden's were missing?
They could have cut the Clinic time and it wouldn't have lost it's 'purpose' or whatever the reason they spent so much time on it (which Margaret's pregnancy doesn't redeem). Gillian and Richard were relegated to their own corner for much of the season (after being at the core of S2) and Richard's arc especially was unconnected to anything.
Why were so much time dedicated to Nucky's new love affair. Basically a retread of Danzinger and Margaret. Maybe they were trying to get something across that fell on my deaf ears but i bet they could have done it more economically. All i knew is that it was taking up time for other characters and that Nucky's romantic relations are at the bottom of my list.
2. Weak main story-line.
Headlined by the caricature; one-note character of Rossetti as the main threat and bad guy. Really, that's how they follow up S2 where Nucky's antagonists were a group that consisted Jimmy, his brother, Gillian, Commodore and others? There were ample motivations apart from taking control of the booze business. But with Rossetti that's the only beef. That and what Rossetti convinced himself that Nucky was crossing him with the 'bone for tuna' stupidity. (Prior to the assassination attempt).
How did a one-dimensional character like this rise to the top and get crowned as the main villain of a highly-regarded series in a quality cable network? Rossetti is a side-character that would have been enjoyable in small quantities here and there but for some reason he was promoted to this role.
How would you feel if Micky Doyle was to become the focal point of S4 and the main opposition to Nucky? No one would take it seriously and so is the case with Rossetti.
There was never an attempt to give his character volume; on the contrary. He's the same in Ep1 and in Ep10 - clubbing someone to death for his miniscule reasons. Probably amusing otherwise, but not when that is your, what, second most important character of the season?
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I probably could go on about the coincidences that kept Nucky alive or making a deal with Randolph; the predictability of some events; Margaret-Sleater affair with Sleater's death not really serving anything but a 'regular character must die in the final eps of a seson' moment (Like we hadn't Margaret before wanting nothing to do with Nucky anymore only to come around; and which this death also curbed by leaving Margaret again at Nucky's side) and the like.
As much as Boardwalk Empire's 3rd season fumbled by what it didn't choose to do after S2; it fell the more flat by what they actually did in it.
I've addressed most of the counter-arguments about me appearing to you to be inconsistent.
I would really like to know what you feel is so accomplished in this season in comparison to the last two? Aside from the obvious technical stuff like production values; acting and such.
Like it or not Jimmy was a central pillar of the show in all departments and if you write him out then you better know how you're going to fill the void. I'm struggling to think how anyone who watched S2 would be content with S3 in that regard. They removed the pillar and it all hung loose. As i said previously i think the most harsh thing you can say about S3 is that it made Jimmy's death look like a last minute decision because if that's what they planned ahead to do in S3 then i gotta say that it simply doesn't cut it.
1. Disproportionate screen time allotment.
Is anyone disagreeing that the season did a terrible job juggling its various characters and storylines and giving them decent screen-time? Irrelevant of what the storylines were, season 3 underrepresented most of its 'secondary' characters (Capone, Chalky, Richard, Van Alden). Why was Chalky so prominent in the first 2-3 eps of the season only to vanish from existence up until last ep? Why did the Clinic arc get so much air time where others struggled to breath? How come there was an episode dedicated to families celebrating Easter but Chalky's, Capone's and Van Alden's were missing?
They could have cut the Clinic time and it wouldn't have lost it's 'purpose' or whatever the reason they spent so much time on it (which Margaret's pregnancy doesn't redeem). Gillian and Richard were relegated to their own corner for much of the season (after being at the core of S2) and Richard's arc especially was unconnected to anything.
Why were so much time dedicated to Nucky's new love affair. Basically a retread of Danzinger and Margaret. Maybe they were trying to get something across that fell on my deaf ears but i bet they could have done it more economically. All i knew is that it was taking up time for other characters and that Nucky's romantic relations are at the bottom of my list.
2. Weak main story-line.
Headlined by the caricature; one-note character of Rossetti as the main threat and bad guy. Really, that's how they follow up S2 where Nucky's antagonists were a group that consisted Jimmy, his brother, Gillian, Commodore and others? There were ample motivations apart from taking control of the booze business. But with Rossetti that's the only beef. That and what Rossetti convinced himself that Nucky was crossing him with the 'bone for tuna' stupidity. (Prior to the assassination attempt).
How did a one-dimensional character like this rise to the top and get crowned as the main villain of a highly-regarded series in a quality cable network? Rossetti is a side-character that would have been enjoyable in small quantities here and there but for some reason he was promoted to this role.
How would you feel if Micky Doyle was to become the focal point of S4 and the main opposition to Nucky? No one would take it seriously and so is the case with Rossetti.
There was never an attempt to give his character volume; on the contrary. He's the same in Ep1 and in Ep10 - clubbing someone to death for his miniscule reasons. Probably amusing otherwise, but not when that is your, what, second most important character of the season?
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I probably could go on about the coincidences that kept Nucky alive or making a deal with Randolph; the predictability of some events; Margaret-Sleater affair with Sleater's death not really serving anything but a 'regular character must die in the final eps of a seson' moment (Like we hadn't Margaret before wanting nothing to do with Nucky anymore only to come around; and which this death also curbed by leaving Margaret again at Nucky's side) and the like.
As much as Boardwalk Empire's 3rd season fumbled by what it didn't choose to do after S2; it fell the more flat by what they actually did in it.
UltimaPooh
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Jimmy's role in the story was growing weak and if they kept him on it'll just be a constant struggle between Nucky and Jimmy that would have just kept going on and on until one of them died. Glad they got it done and finished at the end of Season 2 and gave him a proper send off.
Now I have been disappointed in the way Nucky reacted to kill Jimmy THIS season so perhaps bit more development on that front would have been nice, but I feel like that is just nit picking when this season has so much going for it.
Screen time does not equal quality time.
I wouldn't say that he is one-sided. I would say he is driven, and immovable object who has one goal and anyone who gets in the way will eiher stop him or they will be destroyed by him. He's is the incorruptible evil.
A lot of successful series and stories have the ultimate evil and their tragic evil. The Dark Knight had the Joker as the ultimate and Harvey Dent as the tragic. Lord of the Rings has Sauron as the ultimate and Gollum as the tragic. Jimmy was our tragic, we explored his storyline and Nucky one at the cost of his soul. Now lets see what Nucky going up against the ultimate.
What I love about this season is how every character pretty much has their own Vignette with Nucky being the one that crosses in and out of them. Nucky isn't the starlet anymore. I hope they expand more on that in the next season fleshing out the things in New York and Chicago more. Ultimately though the final season when that happens should come back to Enoch and how it ends for him.
Richard certainly looks like a man on a misson in the preview, but the shot is too quick to see where he is. Which I like.
Saty why do you continue to watch this show? It obviously disappoints you week after week. Do what I did with shows like the Walking Dead and the turgid Revolution stop watching them completely. My evening TV time is too precious to waste time watching something I have issues with every week.
Saty why do you continue to watch this show? It obviously disappoints you week after week. Do what I did with shows like the Walking Dead and the turgid Revolution stop watching them completely. My evening TV time is too precious to waste time watching something I have issues with every week.
Was that during the (terribly slow) season 2? It's really picked up since then.
Angry Fork
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No where else is this noted but internet forums.
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Season one was the pinnacle of that show. The rest was garbage. The show got too crowded with cartoony characters and got too preachy for its own good. Take away season 1 and what do you get? Shit.
If the wire was so good, why are like 12 people watching treme? Same formula, same feel, same writers.
blainethemono
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What makes you think it's only internet forums?
It's consistently described as one of the greatest shows of all time by critics. It held the top spot on the metacritic all-time TV list until Breaking Bad season 5 this year. It also pretty much constantly wins "greatest show ever" brackets, like this Vulture one
I always see this notion that praise or hatred for something is isolated to only GAF or internet forums in general and it's really ridiculous. Also, season 1 was great, but it was the second worst season in comparison to 2, 3, and 4. 4 was the greatest single of TV i have ever seen.
I was the few that watched the show when it was still airing, never thought anything special about it until i joined gaf.
I thought it was pretty obvious they created Billie Kent to replace Lucy. Last season she had the script and all those dreams about stardom, mostly the same dreams Billie had... It would have been much more interesting if Lucy had been the one dying in the explosion. It would also have been better for Nucky, he had a history with Lucy, the dynamics would have been different. I think I said it earlier, but Billie really felt like a Margaret 2.0
Seriously, what happened to Paz de la Huerta?
Currently she's filming straight to DVD movies, a 3D horror film, and showing her breasts in public.
Also known as Wednesday.
Glad to hear she's got work again.
Gyp is the only guy that managed to put Nucky in danger. In past seasons you never had the feeling that he could lose, he was the king and seemed to be invincible...until the arrival of Gyp. He's a crazy motherfucker that turns shit upside down, and Nucky has never faced an enemy like him. He's completely unpredictable. Maybe he didn't evolve as a character (Gyp), but he is the reason why Nucky "changed".
One thing I agree completely is Margaret's arc with the clinic and stuff. I mean, that was boring and had more screentime than what it deserved, and yes, there were a couple of episodes were great characters as Chalky and Van Alden were missing. One character that left too soon (at least for me) was Manny. His death had 0 repercussions. Maybe they should've killed him later.
Anyway, enjoying a lot this season, and the last scene of this week's episode was so amazing. Can't wait for season finale!
End of season 1.
Now I have a few seasons of the show to catch up with I may dip back in as they're up on Netflix.
Do you guys think that the series will end when Nucky dies or could they follow the other young guys that end up becoming big, Capone, Lucino and Lanksy, now that they are somewhat established on the show?
I'm just assuming Nucky gets killed eventually though; I've never looked up the real person hes based on.
I'm just assuming Nucky gets killed eventually though; I've never looked up the real person hes based on.
Naw, show is done when he's done. Hence the name Boardwalk Empire...unless they get some other main character to take over Atlantic City
storafötter
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Season 3 has so far been a roller coaster ride. There are many good things in it and at the same time many terrible decisions. I will say this that Gip Rosseti is a terrible comic style villain and so is that general secretary guy who asks for 25 grand for everything. They had potential and I feel like they blew it all away.
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storafötter;44838991 said:
Heh, that bolded part conjured up the same image in my mind.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
Gaston Means was exactly like that in real life.storafötter;44838991 said:
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Yeah, they did their research.
ChosenPredator
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What? has he been casted already?
Cornballer
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Nope. People are confusing Bugs Moran and Bugsy Siegel. (At least I assume that's what the confusion is.)
storafötter
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I wish I could speak like him too even if I don't like his character or story much.
I admit I will give the show makers some credit for pulling a real life character so well. I thought he was entirely fiction.
In my case it was.
The show had one cartoony character its whole run. And it IS universally acclaimed as has been shown to you. Lastly, just because you have the same writers and formula doesn't mean something will be as good. A film maker might make a great film, but his next film is shit. A musician might make a great album but the next one isn't quite as good. It happens all the time.
Personally, I loved the Wire, but I just don't dig the feel of the New Orleans culture that is so prevalent in Treme so I was turned off to it quickly. I will still go back and watch past season 1 some day though, my tastes may have changed.
Sanky Panky
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Gaston Means and Gyp have been the two highlights for me this season.
Gyp is not as one-note or charicatured as people here say. Yes he's a mad short-fuse kinda guy, but he has a certain charm that still keeps you guessing how he will react. We also know about his family life, his hidden sexual fetish (says a lot about his character), his soft spot for Gillian, and his relationship to Masseria.
As far as him being the main villain for the season, we found out later that he's just a tool for Masseria, sent out to Atlantic City to get a piece of the action. He just turned out to be a loose cannon. However, he just highlights the downfall of Nucky (compounded by the downfall of his personal life, which was the focus of the love affair). Gyp pushed Nucky to the brink, and we'll see how or if he recuperates for season 4.
I could have done without the Margaret clinic stuff, but I guess it's an interesting treatise of women's issues of the time (since they touched upon Women suffrage in season 1). I guess it pulls the show away from the mafia stuff, to paint a picture of the times.
Gyp is not as one-note or charicatured as people here say. Yes he's a mad short-fuse kinda guy, but he has a certain charm that still keeps you guessing how he will react. We also know about his family life, his hidden sexual fetish (says a lot about his character), his soft spot for Gillian, and his relationship to Masseria.
As far as him being the main villain for the season, we found out later that he's just a tool for Masseria, sent out to Atlantic City to get a piece of the action. He just turned out to be a loose cannon. However, he just highlights the downfall of Nucky (compounded by the downfall of his personal life, which was the focus of the love affair). Gyp pushed Nucky to the brink, and we'll see how or if he recuperates for season 4.
I could have done without the Margaret clinic stuff, but I guess it's an interesting treatise of women's issues of the time (since they touched upon Women suffrage in season 1). I guess it pulls the show away from the mafia stuff, to paint a picture of the times.
PalaceBrother
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...I've never met the man, but I hate Lehane now.
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un33dab@dpu$$y
It was perfect though.
Cornballer
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A few articles of interest:
- Atlantic City Weekly: Nuckys Right-Hand-Man: Anthony Laciura (Eddie Kessler). The article is from last year, but I figure it's relevant now due to Eddie getting lots of material last week.
- Quick interview with Martin Greenfield - the man that crafts the bespoke suits for BE
- The DCist talks about Jess Smith's suicide on BE and the real version
- Atlantic City Weekly: Nuckys Right-Hand-Man: Anthony Laciura (Eddie Kessler). The article is from last year, but I figure it's relevant now due to Eddie getting lots of material last week.
- Quick interview with Martin Greenfield - the man that crafts the bespoke suits for BE
- The DCist talks about Jess Smith's suicide on BE and the real version
I had to look it up, too.
I wasn't suggesting they keep Jimmy alive. Out of all the options they had to approach S3 they really had to try hard to end with this lackluster season.UltimaPoohGlad said:
'cause Margaret's and Billie's storylines were teeming with that. Ensemble shows should get get the basics right. In this case, proportionate screen time. Viewers like the show's secondary characters and there wasn't lack of material to work with.
I can't say i agree with this. This isn't something that sprung off the character rather than the writing team's decision. If they wanted to, Nucky would have been dead in S2 or hospitalized for some time. You can even say that Rossetti being the loose-cannon he is then the botched assassination attempt only highlighted Nucky's invincibility so even when he was attacked at his hotel room this ep, i didn't doubt he will remain in one piece.Yager said:
Rossetti was the frontman on all of this and he instigated all the chaos. He was the one who disturbed the status-quot in the early meeting with all the gangster in Nucky's home; not Masseria. He started all the mess and was gunning Nucky and his business. I didn't get the impression Masseria was okay with any of Rossetti's careless moves. And Gyp needed to convince him to attempt that club's explosion, the failure of which got Masseria deeper in shit.Sanky Panky said:
I'm weathering this season and hoping S4 is better at all fronts. I did ask myself why i was still watching the show during S3.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
Pretty sure they got the actor wrong in the article. Daniel Angus Cox only played Jess Smith in earlier seasons. Ed Jewett played him this year
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un33dab@dpu$$y
Ed Jewett, we hardly knew ye.
I'm similarly anxious about Harrow's fate in a way I felt near the end of the first season wondering what would happen to Van Alden (Richard is of course more likable but Van Alden, but at the time I felt he was far and away the best character on the show). This show has always been good at getting you emotionally invested.
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