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Boy splurges 37,000 euros playing ‘free’ game

The game seems to have a casino in it, so yeah, I don't see why it shouldn't be rated M for gambling.
This.

Also, fuck this game. The boy is a minor, and if I were the mother I'd not only feel ashamed for not knowing what my son is doing, I'd sue the creators for corruption of the youth for my money back.

This isn't gaming, it's a scam.
 

jorma

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These publishers are worse than all those Nigerian princes with fortunes they need to get out of the country. Fuck them.
 
I think that making all FTP games not available for kids might actually be a good idea. These games only survive on business models where basically to get people hooked in the same way as gambling to try and milk money out of the user. It's ethically really dodgy to market these games at kids.

Minecraft and Angry Birds are FTP on Android. It's never going to happen. Of course they are more or less normal games with DLC, and not so much Dungeon Keeper/Kim Kardashian p2w titles, so I would have to wonder where the line would be drawn.
 
Yeah these types of games are very good at scamming you. You can feel the game working against you almost forcing you to spending money on the diamonds or gems or whatever the hell they create in there.

Especially the further you get along. You either pay money to get the items you need or you sit motionless in the game for weeks at a time.

The sad thing is, even in games like Lords of Ultima which I used to play back in the day, you could spend 100$ on the game and still not even see much benefit from it. Felt like a pure waste in the end.

I find it hard to believe though that the kid could just start hitting buttons on the screen and start buying all these diamonds. He had to of known the password, and have entered the CC information at some point into the games network yeah?
 

Rixa

Member
Scandinavia, man.

Huh what? I live in Scandinavia (ok in Fennoscandia). I do have credit cards and I do have limits to it, how much I can raise / spend money. I cant understand how you can have credit card without raise limits.

I think in this situation credit card holder has to have very high limit (or no limit = being rich, whatever it mean) on credit card.
 

Carlius

Banned
There's no regulating stupid. What are they going to do, make every game with IAP rated M? These games are designed to make money from whales, how do you drop 40k from your bank account and not notice?

this...seriously. surely you use the atm at one point and get a receipt, or a card statement at ONE point.
 

mcz117chief

Member

I guess you have a new prey to hunt
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30k and nobody from the bank or credit card company called?

Yeah, that's what I want to know. Hell, my credit card company keeps on blocking my card and phoning me up every single month when a Twitch channel subscription for like £2 goes out. Tons of tiny payments to one company in a short space of time totalling like 2 years salary? That's a really negligent bank.
 
What I take from this is that family must be loaded. Lol. If even a $100 magically disappeared from our account my wife or I are going to notice.
 

GamerJM

Banned
Serious question, as a parent how would you prevent situations like this? As a kid there were times when my mom gave me her credit card number for online purchases, and I was always completely responsible but I could have just as easily done some shit like this.
 

Woo-Fu

Banned
Not sure why people are saying he couldn't keep track of how much he was spending.

He knew he spent more than $0 which was exactly how much he had permission to spend on the game in the first place.

It is all on him, the credit card number didn't type itself in.

We don't need stricter rules, we need stricter parenting. I feel scared just imagining what my parents would have done if I pulled a stunt like this.
 
There needs to be a limit on how much one user can spend on these things. Something is seriously wrong when I can order The Evil Within for £25, but a simpleton can spend over £30k on a glorified flash game.

How do you know it's made with flash? I couldn't find any info about that on the website
 

Kinsei

Banned
Serious question, as a parent how would you prevent situations like this? As a kid there were times when my mom gave me her credit card number for online purchases, and I was always completely responsible but I could have just as easily done some shit like this.

Don't give your kid your credit card. If they need something bought online, buy it for them.
 
Serious question, as a parent how would you prevent situations like this? As a kid there were times when my mom gave me her credit card number for online purchases, and I was always completely responsible but I could have just as easily done some shit like this.

Well, you have to have your CC information saved to your profile. So you could just not do that.

You could put your CC information on a completely different profile and lock that profile away and not let your kid use it.

also, from what I have seen anytime you go to buy something in a game like this you have to enter your apple password and such like that. You could not give your son the password.

Not sure why people are saying he couldn't keep track of how much he was spending.

He knew he spent more than $0 which was exactly how much he had permission to spend on the game in the first place.

It is all on him, the credit card number didn't type itself in.

To your last point, it most likely does. The CC information on my Iphone is saved to my apple account, so anytime I want to buy stuff for Puzzle and Dragons for example, I just have to enter my apple ID password.
 
Serious question, as a parent how would you prevent situations like this? As a kid there were times when my mom gave me her credit card number for online purchases, and I was always completely responsible but I could have just as easily done some shit like this.

Well, if I gave my credit card number to my kid for online purchases, I would be checking that balance for the next few days just to make sure. And that would have caught this, he didn't spend that money super quickly, and he probably started small.

Well, you have to have your CC information saved to your profile. So you could just not do that.

You could put your CC information on a completely different profile and lock that profile away and not let your kid use it.

also, from what I have seen anytime you go to buy something in a game like this you have to enter your apple password and such like that. You could not give your son the password.
This was the kid's own account on his own device, the mom gave the kid her father's credit card to buy e-books for her to read on her vacation. She's one of those technology-impaired moms (I have one of those!)
 
Game of War: Fire Age

It sounds like a title generic game name generator would output.

Would it be that surprising if it were actually named by a generator?

Serious question, as a parent how would you prevent situations like this? As a kid there were times when my mom gave me her credit card number for online purchases, and I was always completely responsible but I could have just as easily done some shit like this.

The answer is in the question
 

Woo-Fu

Banned
To your last point, it most likely does. The CC information on my Iphone is saved to my apple account, so anytime I want to buy stuff for Puzzle and Dragons for example, I just have to enter my apple ID password.

And you had to put a credit card number on that account at some point. You typed it in, it didn't type itself in.
 
Minecraft and Angry Birds are FTP on Android. It's never going to happen. Of course they are more or less normal games with DLC, and not so much Dungeon Keeper/Kim Kardashian p2w titles, so I would have to wonder where the line would be drawn.
Minecraft Pocket Edition isn't FTP.
 
Well, if I gave my credit card number to my kid for online purchases, I would be checking that balance for the next few days just to make sure. And that would have caught this, he didn't spend that money super quickly, and he probably started small.


This was the kid's own account on his own device, the mom gave the kid her father's credit card to buy e-books for her to read on her vacation. She's one of those technology-impaired moms (I have one of those!)

Well ......

Think we located the problem then lol
 

RetroStu

Banned
How do the developers get away with this?. Its also the reason why i never understand why so many people want games to be F2P, i'd much rather pay my $60 and be done with it.
 

SerTapTap

Member
How rich do you have to be to not even notice that cash being spent

If it hit a credit card with a high credit limit you might not notice it until the bill. Not everyone watches their finances like a hawk and, somewhat reasonably, might assume their CC would freak out over changes like this and notify them
 
Serious question, as a parent how would you prevent situations like this? As a kid there were times when my mom gave me her credit card number for online purchases, and I was always completely responsible but I could have just as easily done some shit like this.

If you ever decide to give your kids purchasing power, it would be pretty irresponsible to simply assume that they will never abuse it. Open the kid a debit account with $500, if they piss through that in 3 weeks you should know better than to give them direct access to your life savings and credit worthiness.
 

RoadHazard

Gold Member
Scandinavia, man.

Uhm, no? You need to go study a map, me thinks.

(Scandinavia is Sweden, Norway and Denmark. Belgium isn't even close. Well, I mean, it's sort of close geographically, but still.)

Also, even if that were correct, do you really think the average person over here is wealthy enough to not notice over 30K € going missing? That's definitely not the case for most people.
 
So like if credit cards are uncommon in Belgium why do they allow you to overdraw by tens of thousands of Euros? That is quite the credit limit to have.

Besides that when was it right to include casinos and raffles in f2p games? I would have thought many countries would prohibit such things.

So what is the big deal? I assume this is like $6 in American.
Was this a joke? How can you be online if you are so ignorant of the world that you think 37000 Euros is "only" $6?
 
If you ever decide to give your kids purchasing power, it would be pretty irresponsible to simply assume that they will never abuse it. Open the kid a debit account with $500, if they piss through that in 3 weeks you should know better than to give them direct access to your life savings and credit worthiness.

Sho_Nuff82
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jwk94

Member
Without noticing? I sure as hell noticed when I was about to spend my mom's money on those old cellphone games when I was a kid.
 

Daviii

Member
Google forbids now a game being "free" and alerts not only of IAPs but also of the price range of those. Plus pass requested.

I guess it can't get any better for consumers.

Not sure about apple. But they'll follow suit otherwise.
 
What are the actual percentages of these stories being the 'normal' and why do these games always get blamed by the community.

I understand they are engineered in a way where if you don't want to wait you can spend money to advance but at no actual point have I ever reached a point where I wanted to spend money on free to play games - even with fairly restrictive timers. Usually, I just move on to the game and realize I had a lot of fun with the game before it got to that point.

I can't help but feel like (ignoring the most extreme examples) free to play games take a lot of flak for instances like this where parenting is at a minimum and the user is at absolute fault for this. Yes, they are designed to hook 'whales' who want to or can spend a lot of money on these games and yes, there are pretty rare cases like this where a kid is actually just really dumb and the parents are just really hands off that lead to "shocking" headlines.

I'm pretty alone in my opinion from the other similar threads in the past but I just feel like there is a certain level of logic that escapes people's brains when it comes to something they personally dislike.
 

Chairman Yang

if he talks about books, you better damn well listen
I'm totally cool with whale-based F2P games being slapped down hard with legislation.
 

SerTapTap

Member
What are the actual percentages of these stories being the 'normal' and why do these games always get blamed by the community.

I understand they are engineered in a way where if you don't want to wait you can spend money to advance but at no actual point have I ever reached a point where I wanted to spend money on free to play games - even with fairly restrictive timers. Usually, I just move on to the game and realize I had a lot of fun with the game before it got to that point.

I can't help but feel like (ignoring the most extreme examples) free to play games take a lot of flak for instances like this where parenting is at a minimum and the user is at absolute fault for this. Yes, they are designed to hook 'whales' who want to or can spend a lot of money on these games and yes, there are pretty rare cases like this where a kid is actually just really dumb and the parents are just really hands off that lead to "shocking" headlines.

I'm pretty alone in my opinion from the other similar threads in the past but I just feel like there is a certain level of logic that escapes people's brains when it comes to something they personally dislike.

The difference is "whales" like this literally do keep these games afloat, they are designed to be unethical trash leeching cash from desparate, sad people.
 

Tarsul

Member
I mean there is some fault with the family, however their wrongdoings should not make them 37.000€ poorer. This case, among so many others, just shows that it is too easy for kids to buy things without (them or their parents) even noticing on an ipad. Also, it could very well be that the kid didn't even think twice that it was real money since "paying" was so easy. He could have easily thought it was ingame money noted in Euros.
After at the latest investing 100€ there should be a message from within the game / the ios that they are investing a lot of money on a game. Also, there must be an upper limit; especially an upper time limit of investing money in these kind of things. If you invest in these small timeframes, e.g. minutes, then you could argue that you are in a certain way addicted and this should be stopped by the providers of the content by law.
Thankfully the EU is within reach of making law changes to cope with these shenanigans.

Also, the "goods" they received for their money has no face value. It would cost the company nothing to return them their money. It's not like they had to manufacture a certain car that no one else would buy for that price and thus they lose a lot of money for a return. NO, the goods/service they give cost them next to nothing. [of course you could argue that by investing more money as a gamer you have more fun with the game and this is the service. However, with these sums we are talking about, it's not about the fun anymore and just about the rip-off]

These companies must be stopped by law. You can blame the people for being so stupid to not avoid these traps. However, who really needs to be blamed is the game makers and the software providers (including apple, google, MS as operating system providers. Especially apple since they save your CC information so easily and have no next to none consumer protection).
 
The difference is "whales" like this literally do keep these games afloat, they are designed to be unethical trash leeching cash from desparate, sad people.

I completely understand the design philosphy behind the games but I'm fairly certain at no point do the developers sit around waiting for a child to make a mistake like this. They are trying to hook legitimate whales, people who have the money but not the time to play the game in a free way.

I just think that these shocking headlines undermine the legitimacy of their strategy.
 
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