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Brave Neptunia gets censored on PS4, Switch uncensored

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Pedo anime stuff should be banned... let’s never normalize this trash. And stay the fuck away from children if you buy this stuff. Thanks
 
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Seriously guys, how old does that little girl on the left look? Some of these Japanese games are blurring the lines of child pornography more than Sony is comfortable with.

I know we all need something to be outraged over, but is this really the right thing to be fighting about?
 

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It’s disgusting honestly. It’s pedophilia disguised as weeb art.

Absolutely disgusting. Thank you Sony. Please do much more!
 
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While I do like cute loli/moe anime stuff, I in no way get off on it nor have I ever yanked off to such shit. I'm not a fan of the naked scenes myself but eh, I don't mind that they're there either.

I have always hated censorship in games/anime/manga and people telling me what I can enjoy however.

That hasn't changed for me since the early 90s, nor will it ever.
Agreed. I like cute characters and quite frankly, I have never found them "sexually attractive". Those that do are just projecting their own failings onto me. I just don't want to play a game, one that was being sold to adults as a rated M or rated Z, that has been needlessly censored for some asinine claim of "protecting the children".

It’s disgusting honestly. It’s pedophilia disguised as weeb art.

Absolutely disgusting.
Good thing it is not what you claim, like at all.
 
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Seriously guys, how old does that little girl on the left look? Some of these Japanese games are blurring the lines of child pornography more than Sony is comfortable with.

I know we all need something to be outraged over, but is this really the right thing to be fighting about?
Is it really the right thing to be shooting down a strawman?
 

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its not what I claim? It’s not about catering to the sick and disgusting sexual desires of predators?

You sure?




BULLSHIT!


Total amirox game.
 
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Good thing it is not what you claim, like at all.
Its exactly what he claims actually.

These scenes are in almost every game like this, I've played a lot. They are there on purpose. There's a portion of the audience who enjoy seeing these very young looking anime girls in nearly nude scenes.
 

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Seriously guys, how old does that little girl on the left look? Some of these Japanese games are blurring the lines of child pornography more than Sony is comfortable with.

I know we all need something to be outraged over, but is this really the right thing to be fighting about?
Yes, because as the censorship of DOAX 3 Scarlet shows, the apparent age of the characters has little bearing on what Sony are censoring. They're going after suggestive or fanservicey material generally. Besides, Neptune is not a child.

I'm pretty absolutist on this: I oppose any restriction on freedom of expression with the exception of material that requires abuse to produce, or is a direct incitement to violence.
 
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Is it really the right thing to be shooting down a strawman?
Strawman? What? Do you know what that term means?

I'm talking directly to the people who are upset about these images being censored. They've been posting on this thread.
 

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False accusations and continued personal attacks are not welcome here. Attack the argument, not the person.
Pedophiles defending their interests. So shocking you sick fucks. Thank god they will never reproduce... anime pillows don’t have reproductive organs.
 
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Strawman? What? Do you know what that term means?

I'm talking directly to the people who are upset about these images being censored. They've been posting on this thread.

They should stick to hentai
 
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Strawman? What? Do you know what that term means?

I'm talking directly to the people who are upset about these images being censored. They've been posting on this thread.
Yes, I do know what a strawman is and you were addressing a strawman argument by misconstruing the reasons why people oppose censorship. You don't like the actual reasons, so you try to label those people as perverts and pedophiles to make them look bad.

Overall, you're not interested in debate. You're more interested in character assassination.
Pedophiles defending their interests. So shocking you sick fucks
Censorship advocates resorting to character assassination. So shocking, you hypocrites...
 

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Yes, because as the censorship of DOAX 3 Scarlet shows, the apparent age of the characters has little bearing on what Sony are censoring. Besides, Neptune is not a child.

I'm pretty absolutist on this: I oppose any restriction on freedom of expression with the exception of material that requires abuse to produce, or is a direct incitement to violence.
Ok. We have this 12 year-old girl, but we need to have a nudge shot of her because our audience demands it.

That's illegal in most countries, should we remove the scene?

Nah, let's just say she's 23 and keep everything else the same. As long as she still LOOKS 12 our audience will still enjoy it.
 

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There’s few things I don’t mind censoring. And the interests of child predators are one of them.
 

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Yes, I do know what a strawman is and you were addressing a strawman argument by misconstruing the reasons why people oppose censorship. You don't like the actual reasons, so you try to label those people as perverts and pedophiles to make them look bad.

Overall, you're not interested in debate. You're more interested in character assassination.

Censorship advocates resorting to character assassination. So shocking, you hypocrites...
No. I oppose censorship in almost every case. I'm more against it than most. THIS is the exception because it is walking (and crossing imo) the line of child pornography.

If Sony was censoring a game because it was too violent, I'd be pissed. If a game with what is clearly adults,made to look like adults, got censored for being nude or even having sex, I'd be upset.

Notice Sony hasn't censored things like sex in Grand Theft Auto or Kratos banging chicks by mashing the X button. It has only been these games where it is these uncomfortably young looking girls on display.

You can be both for certain censorship while simultaneously against 99% of it.
 
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I’m not talking about censorship. I have zero problem with any company keeping such filth away from everyone. Just because Japan is a bit more friendly to pedophililia doesnt mean it shouldn’t be treated with complete prejudice. It should... without a doubt
 
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No. I oppose censorship in almost every case. I'm more against it than most. THIS is the exception because it is walking (and crossing imo) the line of child pornography.
How is it child pornography, and why should I care if the characters are fictional and parents can control what they buy and what their children play? There's no empirical evidence that suggests that "sorta", "kinda", "borderline" child "pornography" causes any problems other than hurting your sensibilities.

I’m not talking about censorship. I have zero problem with any company keeping such filth away from everyone. Just because Japan is a bit more friendly to pedophililia doesnt mean it shouldn’t be treated with complete prejudice. It should... without a doubt
Then you can just ignore it. Case closed.
 

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Ok. We have this 12 year-old girl, but we need to have a nudge shot of her because our audience demands it.

That's illegal in most countries, should we remove the scene?

Nah, let's just say she's 23 and keep everything else the same. As long as she still LOOKS 12 our audience will still enjoy it.
The character is not a 12 year old, and is not written like one.
 
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How is it child pornography, and why should I care if the characters are fictional and parents can control what they buy and what their children play? There's no empirical evidence that suggests that "sorta", "kinda", "borderline" child "pornography" causes any problems other than hurting your sensibilities.


Then you can just ignore it. Case closed.
You realize child pornography isn't illegal to keep kids from seeing it, right?
 
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You realize child pornography isn't illegal to keep kids from seeing it, right?
Nice try trying to shift the focus from "sorta", "kinda", "borderline" child "pornography" to actual child pornography. Not taking the bait.

Edit: I should put 'child' in quotes, too, because anime characters looking young equates to the characters being children apparently...
 
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I’m not talking about censorship. I have zero problem with any company keeping such filth away from everyone. Just because Japan is a bit more friendly to pedophililia doesnt mean it shouldn’t be treated with complete prejudice. It should... without a doubt
Da fuck? CP is straight up illegal in Japan. The hell are you talking about?
 

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Seriously guys, how old does that little girl on the left look? Some of these Japanese games are blurring the lines of child pornography more than Sony is comfortable with.

I know we all need something to be outraged over, but is this really the right thing to be fighting about?

its not what I claim? It’s not about catering to the sick and disgusting sexual desires of predators?

You sure?




BULLSHIT
Ok. We have this 12 year-old girl, but we need to have a nudge shot of her because our audience demands it.

That's illegal in most countries, should we remove the scene?

Nah, let's just say she's 23 and keep everything else the same. As long as she still LOOKS 12 our audience will still enjoy it.
I am curious, have you ever been to any Asian country? There are plenty of adult women who look like kids and kids who look like adult women. I would suggest you look up Cheedon0904, who is 29 but looks no older than 15-16, Marina Nagasawa who is 23 but looks like an elementary schooler, or 十早z who is a 35 y/o woman who looks like a middle schooler (just to name a few). There are hundreds of thousands like them (and the same goes for men). Whether you are attracted to that or not, I don't particularly care. However, immediately assuming/stating that it is "pedophilic" is a bit inane. Petite women exist, mate.

Plus, let's not forget that
1.) These are not humans, nor are they real. They are anthropomorphized verisons of consoles (with Neptune being based around the canceled Sega System, the Sega Neptune).
2.) The character is not a child, nor is she 12. If anything, she is a petite character, which as has previously been discussed, people like that completely exist in the real world.
 
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Ok. We have this 12 year-old girl, but we need to have a nudge shot of her because our audience demands it.

That's illegal in most countries, should we remove the scene?

Nah, let's just say she's 23 and keep everything else the same. As long as she still LOOKS 12 our audience will still enjoy it.
Yup. A fucked up niche genre.

Notice how there's no books, movies, or tv shows with kids being naked (but covered up with mist), or where the plot is to take images of the best upskirt shot of a high schooler? The wider the legs spread the more points you get. You never get kids sexualized in rape scenes either even if it's a story with actors.

Because it's exploiting kids.

But in gaming, there's lax laws because it's drawings and any pedo creator will claim they are 30 year olds so it's ok. And pedo gamers can't wait to see anime girl Sakura X in a school girl outfit stick her ass and panties in a close up.

Gaming is still aimed at kids no matter how many M18 ratings there are, so this industry is especially careful. Also, child sex is illegal too. So that's why some companies are clamping down on it. Social media can cause uproars when it comes to things in bad taste, so they want to be proactive.
 
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I should also add that pornography has a rather explicit meaning. Pornography is content that is exclusively purposed for sexual arousal. To claim that these anime games contain pornography, let alone child pornography, you first have to prove that the content is exclusively for sexual arousal. Just because you got aroused from an anime game, doesn't mean that the content of that game was only meant for that purpose.
 

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I should also add that pornography has a rather explicit meaning. Pornography is content that is exclusively purposed for sexual arousal. To claim that these anime games contain pornography, let alone child pornography, you first have to prove that the content is exclusively for sexual arousal. Just because you got aroused from an anime game, doesn't mean that the content of that game was only meant for that purpose.
Yep. Says more about them and their projection onto others.
 

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I'm getting a little sick of being lectured on censorship by people who obviously don't have a god damn clue what censorship is. Now, it's my turn to lecture you. A private issue between two companies is still "censorship!!!OMFGBBQ" because private companies can still censor each other, and a store not carrying canned peaches is a fucking different issue than the store forcing the canned peaches to replace the peaches with ham if they want to be carried by the store. The fact that you don't realize this means... you know what? Fuck it.

I don't demand that everybody I discuss censorship with be a constitutional scholar, but I can not stand people who revel in ignorance while trying to shame everybody else. If you want to join a conversation at the adult table, you need to put your big boy pants on. You need to bring something better than trite platitudes and shame if you want to join this conversation. That kind of shit ruined NeoGAF once before. Let's not go down that road again.
I guess we will need to disagree on what kind of shit ruined NeoGAF. I wasn't aware I was lecturing, you taking it as such may reveal who doesn't wear big boy pants.
 
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I should also add that pornography has a rather explicit meaning. Pornography is content that is exclusively purposed for sexual arousal. To claim that these anime games contain pornography, let alone child pornography, you first have to prove that the content is exclusively for sexual arousal. Just because you got aroused from an anime game, doesn't mean that the content of that game was only meant for that purpose.
LOL.

That's like saying it's ok for a tv show having 12 year old girls displaying their panties in different poses, with the intent of educating the audience which are the best and most comfortable ones to buy.
 
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LOL.

That's like saying it's ok for a tv show having 12 year old girls displaying their panties in different poses, with the intent of educating the audience which are the best and most comfortable ones to buy.
Name me an anime that actually has that purpose. If you manage to find that show, do you know what will be my initial reaction? I'll be laughing my ass off because of the absurdity. In this hypothetical scenario, I will have been entertained by the comedic value of this hypothetical show, not be aroused by it.
 

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It's okay guys, really. One thing I've learned over time is to leave those who want their anime to themselves. Let's stop arguing about such nonsense....

Japan is so great, man. Providing us with such beautiful games such as these, where I can behold the wonderful scanty appearance of [999+ year old] cartoon characters in their greatest glory. Truly, I'm just left out on all the wonder.... as much as I wish I could be a part of the group that appreciates this, I have no choice but to look back in pure envy as I cannot fathom the enjoyment there is in [uncensored/censored] lewd goodness. Thank you, Nippon! May you continue to flower us with entertainment's greatest provisions. Man, do I love the West!

Now..... where are my biantai magazines?
 
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There’s few things I don’t mind censoring. And the interests of child predators are one of them.
I don't care about content like these games and hentai. Don't even watch porn.

I love shmups but some of them are so fan service ridden I stay away even if the gameplay is solid.

But the existence of this content, (I'm assuming you're not just trolling here) if anything, reduces pedophilia. Gives those people an outlet.

Not to mention, they look absolutely nothing like real children anyways.
 
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Both of those images are censored. There's just a little more white steam on the PS4 version.

There's still plenty of underage-looking anime skin for you perverts to yank off to regardless of which platform you play on.
I am an eater of Doritos, not the innocence of anime youth. Also, how would you know :goog_unsure:
 

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I'm in my mid-forties, and I always thought one of the advantages of getting older would be people stop treating me like a child. But what I've found is, the older I get, the more people treat me like a child. I can't enjoy what I want, I can't eat what I want, I can't do what I want, I can't think what I want, and I can't be who I want. And yet, when it's time to change my diaper, none of these assholes are around to help.
Well, you know, you’ve got to work hard and live well if you want to get into the nursing home of your choice.

But seriously, what you are experiencing is the diconnect caused by the propaganda state we live under. Something is bound to feel off when genuine communication almost never occurs. At least in the olden dayes, human to human interaction wasnt mediated by giant American texh firms, most with connections to the govt via the cia.
 

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Yes, for now we see the multiplats on other platforms with no censorship, but who's to say that Sony doesn't cook up some contract saying "absolute parity of all version if you want to release on our console!"

It wouldn't be unheard of
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/microsoft-supposedly-forced-parity-on-division-1.1465458/

So, yeah. If the market leader implements some bullshit policies to censor games for their platform, everyone should be at least a little worried about the implications that might have on a wider scale.
And you saw how that hurt MS right? So why not assume it'll hurt Sony if they tried to force some dumb parity clause?
 
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Providing us with such beautiful games such as these, where I can behold the wonderful scanty appearance of [999+ year old] cartoon characters in their greatest glory.
I've never understood the complaints about the 10,000 year old dragon thing. It always seemed like selling beer to me. If someone is 35 years old, but gets carded when they go to buy beer, are they prevented from buying the beer because they look young? No, of course not. Because the problem with alcohol, and the reason we don't allow people under 21 to drink it, has nothing to do with how someone looks.
 

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How disappointing to see these topics become so hostile. I came to this site to get away from people who knee-jerk shout "pedo" at games. Am I really seeing comments in here arguing that playing Neptunia games makes you a child predator? So, what? Can I been charged for having a shelf full of Neptunia games?

We desperately need journalism that can sort these issues out (and not throw fuel on the fire) because it's clear leaving things up to internet discussions won't work. There's too much ignorance and anger that you wouldn't have if you had to debate face to face. I doubt anyone would come out looking good if they told me to my face I'm a child predator for playing Teen rated Japanese games I can buy on Amazon.
 

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It looks like children and it is not children? Yeap.

It is like a pedophilian saying he didn’t know the victim was a minor lol when the victim looks exactly like a minor lol
Who is the victim in a video game?
 

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It looks like children and it is not children? Yeap.

It is like a pedophilian saying he didn’t know the victim was a minor lol when the victim looks exactly like a minor lol
Quoting myself to save time:

I am curious, have you ever been to any Asian country? There are plenty of adult women who look like kids and kids who look like adult women. I would suggest you look up Cheedon0904, who is 29 but looks no older than 15-16, Marina Nagasawa who is 23 but looks like an elementary schooler, or 十早z who is a 35 y/o woman who looks like a middle schooler (just to name a few). There are hundreds of thousands like them (and the same goes for men). Whether you are attracted to that or not, I don't particularly care. However, immediately assuming/stating that it is "pedophilic" is a bit inane. Petite women exist, mate.

Plus, let's not forget that
1.) These are not humans, nor are they real. They are anthropomorphized verisons of consoles (with Neptune being based around the canceled Sega System, the Sega Neptune).
2.) The character is not a child, nor is she 12. If anything, she is a petite character, which as has previously been discussed, people like that completely exist in the real world.
 

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Quoting myself to save time:
Irrelevant to what I said.

Just because there are old girls that looks like children (or try to look like children) didn’t mean you can use children in a sexual way in any type of media that have the goal of enjoyment and not shock via drama to make you think that is wrong.

They are animation based in humans.

The character looks exactly like a children.
 
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Irrelevant to what I said.

Just because there are old girls that looks like children didn’t mean you can use children in a sexual way in any type of media that have the goal of enjoyment and not shock via drama to make you think that is wrong.

They are animation based in humans.

The character looks exactly like a child.
It's a tireless argument. Some people are attracted to kids. Since they can't live out their fantasy in real life (unless they want to get arrested), it's quirky upskirt anime and hentei games over mainstream pornhub.
 

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It's a tireless argument. Some people are attracted to kids. Since they can't live out their fantasy in real life (unless they want to get arrested), it's quirky upskirt anime and hentei games over mainstream pornhub.
But it is really fine to be attracted by kids? I suppose when I look to a kid I remember of my own children... I have no desire or attraction for my children in that way.

And worst if I know somebody with that attraction to my own children it is possible I will try to kill him.
 
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