they were tater tots. tater tots are little cylinders of grated potatoes deep fried. like hash browns
Hm I dunno. What you just described (doing something wrong consciously) is addiction. Jesse has a disease. He could be cured.
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Breaking Bad - Season 5, Part 1 - Sundays on AMC
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PezDispenser
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I like villains. I just do. I think they're almost always more fun to watch. If you think that makes me "irrational" or "morally wrong," then I think you take your television shows a little too seriously.
Dominican Power
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Yup. Even Marie has her own demons. I don't understand why people think Jesse is this redeemable character. He's been shitty since the first fucking episode. A lot of the fucked up shit that has happened to Walt has been on the account of Jesse and his ineptitude. The difference between him and Walt is that Jesse is mentally fragile despite his tough guy exterior. Walt is in a business where emotions get you killed. Look at Mike and Gus for example.
There's always that distinction of "hate" between "hate this character as one would hate a well-done villain" sense and "I hate watching scenes with this character because I find them just annoying to watch."
For most people, I think Walt's falling into the first category. He's great to watch, but Walt has done so many horrible things throughout the course of the series that it's natural that less and less people are going to want him to succeed. In fact, at this point he's not only got his back catalog of past atrocities working against him, but he's also added a heaping dollop of hubris to the mix. He's too busy wallowing around in his newfound power that he hasn't stopped to think that maybe he's not as free and clear as he thinks.
Another thing that really jumps at me in how this compares to The Shield
is how the two shows seem to handle the audience's perception of the main character. During the entire course of The Shield, we saw Vic Mackey do some pretty terrible stuff, but people rooted for him throughout, even when the show's creators were making a deliberate effort to try to get the audience to turn against Vic a little bit during S5. It wasn't until his big confession in the second to the last episode, where we saw him not only speaking all his crimes to another person, but eventually laughing about them during his recap, that many people were truly awakened to the monster that Vic was. Walt, on the other hand, had a much more gradual journey. In the beginning, he was a very sympathetic character, and even when he turned down the Gray Matter job, we could sort of agree with it, even though it was obvious that he was letting his pride cloud his judgement.
As the seasons went on, we were able to see Walt do worse and worse things, and more and more of the viewers (judging by forum chatter, at least) started to think of him more as the villain of the show. It's a much more gradual transition than The Shield's (not saying it's better, just different), and it's constantly amazing to see how well the writers have pulled it off.
As the seasons went on, we were able to see Walt do worse and worse things, and more and more of the viewers (judging by forum chatter, at least) started to think of him more as the villain of the show. It's a much more gradual transition than The Shield's (not saying it's better, just different), and it's constantly amazing to see how well the writers have pulled it off.
shadyspace
Banned
Walt has already done things Vic Mackey would have never done in any circumstance. That and as a result of his police work Mackey actually positively impacted some lives around him whereas everything Walt has touched has turned to shit.
Dominican Power
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Can you blame Walt for being this egomaniacal? He's been letting people walk all over him for who knows how long. The guy went from one extreme to another. On another note, I miss when Walt and Jesse were small time. It was much more fun to watch.
You sound like you've never been a teenager. If Jesse hadn't been pushed this far by Walt he'd just be any other kid, albeit a druggy one. He at least still seems human, while Walt doesn't.
PhoenixDark
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Because Walt was some good person before S5 lol? He's always been manipulative, a liar, violent, etc; and of course he's been a drug dealer for 5 seasons now. He has been killing people to protect himself since S1, so it's not a leap that he would become colder from season to season, culminating in his recent behavior.
He thinks he "won" and is now the top dog of a crime organization. His arrogance and hubris has basically been validated
He's also just a self-righteous ass, I've never found him relatable. He just comes off like he thinks he's better than everyone, and has since the beginning of the series.
Expendable.
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Just wanted to chime and say the latest episode was intense and so well crafted. That opening sequence was amazing, and I loved the reveal that the one dude died on the couch.
Dominican Power
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Did you forget that he almost got locked up in that DEA raid on his rudimentary meth lab. What you think would of happened to Jesse when he had to answer to Krazy 8 and his cousin without having Walt to cook the meth for them? Jesse was going downhill real fast until he met Walt. Walt is the only reason he's been alive for this long.
I wouldn't try to deny it. I agree, almost everyone on the show has broke bad. Only two exceptions would be Hank and Walt Jr. (and Holly).
With Hank, I don't think he broke bad in the same sense as the others. He definitely 'snapped' at one point, because he knew he was on the right track and was frustrated that Jesse foiled him somehow. But i don't think his character on the show has shown that this was a direction he intended to stay in; he has spent the rest of the show slowly trying to solve the case legitimately afterwards.
Walter Jr. doesn't even really require discussion. He's so naive about all of this
It's also worth noting that unless Mike can guarantee his 'guys' some sort of future payoff in lieu of the money that has been seized by the DEA that the chances of at least one of them rolling rises exponentially and they all get fried.
Souless_PJ
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Even Hank was a real unlikeable prick when he was recovering from his injuries.
-Pyromaniac-
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that's what I mean about Hank, also he was doing it trying to bring down a criminal empire and got pissed off. So there's that.I wouldn't try to deny it. I agree, almost everyone on the show has broke bad. Only two exceptions would be Hank and Walt Jr. (and Holly).
With Hank, I don't think he broke bad in the same sense as the others. He definitely 'snapped' at one point, because he knew he was on the right track and was frustrated that Jesse foiled him somehow. But i don't think his character on the show has shown that this was a direction he intended to stay in; he has spent the rest of the show slowly trying to solve the case legitimately afterwards.
Walter Jr. doesn't even really require discussion. He's so naive about all of this
But everyone else is in it because they choose to be, and everyone has done what they've done because that's what they've chosen for themselves. They shall all reap what they sew.
At least Walt has accepted it
yeah but that's more of him going through depression or something like that then him actually breaking bad. he was pissed off at his lot and decided to withdraw and lashed out at those who love him; this happens a lot even with the best of people. As we can see Hank now, it's not who he is. He didn't genuinely break bad in the sense the other characters have
I wouldn't be surprised if the people complaining about a sudden change in Walt's behavior are the ones who've had to wait months after season 4 ended for new episodes. I caught up on seasons 1-4 all in less than a year and Walt's transition seems more natural to me. His newfound confidence has made a ton of fun to watch lately.
As for Skyler reacting to him like Scarface, I think it's totally natural for her to react that way. Remember how she flipped out when she thought he was selling weed? Of course she's shook now that she know's he's killed a man.
As for Skyler reacting to him like Scarface, I think it's totally natural for her to react that way. Remember how she flipped out when she thought he was selling weed? Of course she's shook now that she know's he's killed a man.
My rank of "evil" on Breaking Bad:
1. Gus - Killed and manipulated people around him, ect. Ordered a child to be killed.*
2. Walt - Killed, manipulated, and endangered multiple people including his family and a child, for selfish reasons.
3. Jesse - Murdered and attempted murder and selling Meth to addicts at support meetings, for no real reasons except for emotions and ego, probably.
4. Mike - Murdered multiple people based on his own reasons and from orders from Gus.
5. Saul - Working for and protecting drug dealers.
6. Skylar - Same as Saul basically.
7. Marie - Steals things for the lulz.
8. Hank - Beat up Jesse for being involved with the phone call that his wife was in a serious car wreck.
9. Walt Jr. - Eating more than his share of breakfast.
*This I'm sure of. Off topic, but consider the situation:
Gus at this time liked and respected Walt. Gus, on the other hand, didn't like Jesse. He was a drug addicted and unpredictable, emotional trainwreck. He was a liability and he was replaceable. Gus knew that if the child in question was murdered this would set Jesse off and he would get himself killed trying to take out Gus's street dealers. This would solve multiple problems at once. It would get rid of Jesse, and no one would be to blame for it but Jesse himself. It would get rid of the child who could have been a liability down the road, but it would also put Walt's mind to ease that no children wouldn't being used. And Walt being happy was important to Gus. Because, you see, Walt should of never known about the child. The chemist should never know what's happening on the street level - they don't need to know, it's not their business - and more than that, it would make the chemists more likely to quit knowing they're part of something causing horrible things that are happening (although, generally speaking, they already know they are part of horrible things, but when people hear specifics, it tugs on their emotions.)
Regardless, Walt screwed up Gus's plan and thus the great chess match commenced.
1. Gus - Killed and manipulated people around him, ect. Ordered a child to be killed.*
2. Walt - Killed, manipulated, and endangered multiple people including his family and a child, for selfish reasons.
3. Jesse - Murdered and attempted murder and selling Meth to addicts at support meetings, for no real reasons except for emotions and ego, probably.
4. Mike - Murdered multiple people based on his own reasons and from orders from Gus.
5. Saul - Working for and protecting drug dealers.
6. Skylar - Same as Saul basically.
7. Marie - Steals things for the lulz.
8. Hank - Beat up Jesse for being involved with the phone call that his wife was in a serious car wreck.
9. Walt Jr. - Eating more than his share of breakfast.
*This I'm sure of. Off topic, but consider the situation:
Gus at this time liked and respected Walt. Gus, on the other hand, didn't like Jesse. He was a drug addicted and unpredictable, emotional trainwreck. He was a liability and he was replaceable. Gus knew that if the child in question was murdered this would set Jesse off and he would get himself killed trying to take out Gus's street dealers. This would solve multiple problems at once. It would get rid of Jesse, and no one would be to blame for it but Jesse himself. It would get rid of the child who could have been a liability down the road, but it would also put Walt's mind to ease that no children wouldn't being used. And Walt being happy was important to Gus. Because, you see, Walt should of never known about the child. The chemist should never know what's happening on the street level - they don't need to know, it's not their business - and more than that, it would make the chemists more likely to quit knowing they're part of something causing horrible things that are happening (although, generally speaking, they already know they are part of horrible things, but when people hear specifics, it tugs on their emotions.)
Regardless, Walt screwed up Gus's plan and thus the great chess match commenced.
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Grinchy
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they were tater tots. tater tots are little cylinders of grated potatoes deep fried. like hash browns
I can't believe it has become such a discussion. Right at the beginning they seemed like chicken nuggets, especially since sauces were being tested, but it becomes really obvious that they're tater tots with closer shots.
hah yep it was the most important part of the episode
TheChewyWaffles
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Wow, I thought nothing could top Season 4 but this seasons knocking it out of the park. The tension of knowing it's the final season and waiting for the inevitable showdown just makes things that much better, too.
Forsaken82
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I wouldn't try to deny it. I agree, almost everyone on the show has broke bad. Only two exceptions would be Hank and Walt Jr. (and Holly).
With Hank, I don't think he broke bad in the same sense as the others. He definitely 'snapped' at one point, because he knew he was on the right track and was frustrated that Jesse foiled him somehow. But i don't think his character on the show has shown that this was a direction he intended to stay in; he has spent the rest of the show slowly trying to solve the case legitimately afterwards.
Walter Jr. doesn't even really require discussion. He's so naive about all of this
Naive he may be, but I really hope they address Walt calling him Jesse when drugged up on pain killers.
Maybe that will be when Hank puts the pieces together...
Series finale final dialogue...
Walt managed to break away from all the bad and settle down in a life as a successful carwash owner...
Walt, Hank, Hank's Wife, Skyler, Walt Jr all sitting around a table happily eating dinner and then walt jr. chimes in...
"Umm... Uh... Dad... I need to ask something that has been bothering me for a while... Umm... Who's Jesse?"
Walt looks up... Hank looks at Walt... Walt looks at Hank... Fade to black
Bah, if we're categorizing, we should just go the D&D route: Walt: Neutral Evil, Saul: Chaotic Neutral, Tuco: Chaotic Evil, etc.
TheChewyWaffles
Member
I think she's more in shock due to the one dude being paralyzed as a direct result of her actions. And the fact the guy was scared shitless of her when she walked into the room..."I'm not saying anything...I swear...." only added to her horror in retrospect.
Don't forget she feels pretty badass about it too.
"Good."
She's going to come into her own I think, and Walt's in for a shock.
There's no tater tots in the UK, so they're still chicken nuggets to me. Don't know if there are tater tots in Germany.
Skyler told ted off. When she saw him, she was shocked but when she knew Ted wasn't going to say shit, she was fine. But after that, when Walt confronts her in the ending of the season premiere. She is scared shitless, for good reason. This facade that walt has created is either going to crumble in fantastic fasion or he will lose everyone around him.
TheChewyWaffles
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Walt is still the most fascinating character on the show. Who knows where his character will go? Will he come to his senses and turn himself in or somehow redeem himself? Or will he go down in a hail of bullets mobster style? I can't wait to find out.
-Pyromaniac-
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I bet Skyler will have a decision making moment in the near future where she'll be like AM I GONNA RUN OR AM I GONNA STAY. Then of course, she'll decide to stay or something, and then she will officially join the club of everyone GITTIN DATMONEYYY
James Woods
Banned
I hope Walt eats shit. Team Hank 4 Lyfe.
I think this is a somewhat accurate comparison, but I think that Vic was a more fleshed out, nuanced character than Walt. Vic had a few more scruples, I think. I wanted to see Vic get his by the end of the series, but I still cared about what happened to him. He, despite all the dispicable things he did, still had some humanity left near the end. At this point I couldn't really care less what happens to Walt. He's 100% scumbag.
Those all are murders. No really big differences between them imo.
Once you went that road its hard to rank your "evilness" imo.
On the 2nd episode:
Yeah liked it wayyy more than the premiere. Can only get better now.
Sentenza
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WHAT THE HELL?
Vic Mackey was probably the most hideous, despicable human being I can remember as main character of any show. And since the first episode.
Walter White in comparison is a cheerful likable guy even to this point.
shadyspace
Banned
Vic would never, under any circumstance, poison a child or get off on intimidating his spouse. He was arrogant. Walt is now full-blown perverse. He also was responsible for myriad violent rapists and murderers being taken off the street. Pray tell how many good things have come out of any of Walt's actions?
-Pyromaniac-
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killed 2 drug dealers and one kingpin! Also these are totally different situations, they can't possibly compare. Who the fuck knows what kind of horrendously vile shit Vic would do if he was in Walt's shoes.
Baraka in the White House
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I believe Mike is the only family she has and he wants her set for life in the event something happens to him.
Sentenza
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Yeah, because the "nazi vigilante" mentality is SO much better than the criminal mindset.
Oh no, wait, it isn't.
shadyspace
Banned
A vigilante mindset is inarguably better than a criminal one, yes.
Sentenza
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No, it isn't. It's very dangerous mix of criminal behavior, self-righteousness and hypocrisy.
I can watch plenty of crime movies, enjoy them and even cheer for the main character eventually, but I've always found Vic Mackey a disturbing figure since the pilot episode, exactly because he tries way too hard to convey this message that "He's one of the good guys doing the dirty work other are too weak to risk".
Nah. He's always been a gangster with the badge, as Aceveda nicely put it, and an unlikable bully on top of that.
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Source: http://www.businessinsider.com/this...button&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=thewire from Glen Mazzara's (The Walking Dead) Twitter
I don't watch the show so I don't know how accurate any of it is.
Source: http://www.businessinsider.com/this...button&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=thewire from Glen Mazzara's (The Walking Dead) Twitter
I don't watch the show so I don't know how accurate any of it is.
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