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BREAKING: GTA 4 delayed till April 2008
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Wollan said:
The only thing that could stop the PS3 from outselling the 360 would be the gap in NA. Halo 3 will push the 360 by in the US/Canada but Sony will likely win out in Europe and will definitely win out in Japan between the two systems.
I still think that in the long term this is good for Sony. Continued price drops, larger userbase, and more system moving games in 2008 should help a ton. However, if Sony stubbornly sticks to the $499-$599 price points they'll deserve the thrashing they will get.
Again, I don't see why? This delay literally negates none of 360's competitive advantages versus PS3 or the fact it's getting the exclusive "full GTA4 experience" via downloadables.Wollan said:
Wouldn't this apply moreso to 360 though? Especially given it's still got one AAA base driver left this fall?Wollan said:
Taking Japan out the equation, I seriously doubt it. Hell, even with Japan it's iffy.Wollan said:
Sony will drop the price in time for this. If a console will benefit from a price drop it's the PS3.jarrod said:
In Europe both SingStar and Gran Turismo are bigger franchises than Halo. Sony have new games in both of those franchises releasing there. Sony have a ton of 1st party games this fall.jarrod said:
No reason to take stuff out of the equation. This will be the first xmas period where the PS3 is available in Europe and it will be the first xmas where the PS3 is available worldwide.jarrod said:
captain wow
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Wollan said:
I really do not think singstar will do well this year, REALLY do not. Its just not the right time for it. Maybe next year it would be a big seller but not this year.
Metalmurphy
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cicatriz said:
IGN says otherwise.
Wollan said:
360 will be $199 or very close basically negating Sony's price drop by that time.
Wollan said:
I think it's pretty fair to assume that the PS3 will outsell the 360 in Europe.
Wollan said:
I highly doubt the PS3 has much of a chance outselling the competition anywhere outside of Europe this Christmas, Wii and 360 included.
cicatriz said:Just read all the previews, judging by how flawless the 360 version looked and played at e3, it could've easily been released this year.
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Remember when R* showed off GTA a few months ago and said "We usually don't show off GTA games this early, but for the first time we're ahead of schedule". Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they were nearing completion on the X360 SKU. This pisses me off more than anything, ****ing contracts could have ****ed me over from playing GTAIV this year.
siamesedreamer
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PleoMax in reference to Wollan said:
Simply amazing isn't it?
Jtyettis said:
The slaughter PS3 will do in Europe this xmas period is going to be spectacular. They have already 'virtually' dropped the price with the PS3 starter pack. If they announce at Liepzeg a price drop for the standalone unit it's downright murder.
Mark my words, the difference between PS3 sales and X360 sales in Europe this xmas is going to be quite bigger than the difference between those in the US (with the PS3 respectively leading sales in EU and X360 for US).
360's headed for a significant drop too with 65nm. Again, 360 loses literally none of it's competitive advantages due to a spring delay.... if Sony drops the price Microsoft will too.Wollan said:
Everyone has a ton of 1st party franchises coming this fall, of extremely high quality to boot. Europe would be easier to gauge if we got consistant sales figures, but as of now it seems to b playing out like a microcosm of America (Wii sells tons, PS360 far behind struggling for second). Still though, GT/SS won't be having the same sort of impact they did on PS2 while Halo can probably match or exceed how it managed on Xbox.Wollan said:
Why not, if that stuff's not seeing a GTA4 release this April?Wollan said:
siamesedreamer
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Wollan said:
To what? $500? $450? $400?
It won't matter when MS will match them cut for cut.
Metalmurphy
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IGN said:
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/804/804228p1.html
So funny how everyone is jumping on the PS3 version as the reason for the delay when the 360 one clearly had problems.
Thats pretty ambitious. Sony is competing with Halo in the US, friggen Halo... the most overrated game of all time and you really think that its Europe sales will tip the balance in making it outsell the 360 this christmas season? In some ways because of Halo I am sketchy if even the Wii will outsell the 360 this Christmas. The thing is all signs point to yes at the Wii dominating the Christmas season if its not supply constrained.Wollan said:
singstar was big and is big cause people play it in a hardware that has cost them less than 200, i don't see people paying 600 to be able to download songs, when they have already singstar on the ps2.
so stop putting singstar as a system seller is not the game that is gona make people over europe go crazy for the ps3.
with gta IV out of the list the last chance this holiday season for the ps3 in europe is that pro 8 is downgraded on the xbox 360.
so stop putting singstar as a system seller is not the game that is gona make people over europe go crazy for the ps3.
with gta IV out of the list the last chance this holiday season for the ps3 in europe is that pro 8 is downgraded on the xbox 360.
Singstar is the kind of game that sells when the console is cheap. It's not a system seller.
And prologue hardly matters. And with pro Evo 6 being a success, and Pro evo 7 also coming to the 360, that's another game that won't tip things in Sony's favor. With the lack of GTA IV..i just don't see it. No mgs4 either.
I don't see Ps3 doing that well in europe either.
And prologue hardly matters. And with pro Evo 6 being a success, and Pro evo 7 also coming to the 360, that's another game that won't tip things in Sony's favor. With the lack of GTA IV..i just don't see it. No mgs4 either.
I don't see Ps3 doing that well in europe either.
PepsimanVsJoe
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I'm somewhat surprised nobody is entertaining the idea that maybe...just maybe neither version of GTA4 was finished? But I guess since the analysts have already written stories for both sides I guess it doesn't matter.
Seriously none of this adds up. You don't simply go from "nearly finished" to a six month delay.
Seriously none of this adds up. You don't simply go from "nearly finished" to a six month delay.
The reason I see this hurting MS the most is because the hype surrounding the game was clearly about the 360 version. It appeared as if games were being scheduled around this one title (including the September release of Halo 3). The 360 version would have been most definitely been the better seller. The Halo 3/GTA4 combo was suppose to cement in the 360's position over the PS3 with the casual market. Sony has been given a 6 month reprieve to get their act together.jarrod said:
For those debating the Halo3 vs. Mario and Smash Bros sales. Stop talking about sales this year, none of these titles will sell 5 million by 2008. Halo 3 has less than 4 months of sales until that time and SMG and SSBB have less than 3 months combined. They all took time to get were the are. Also, people aren't so much underestimating Halo 3, so much as people are underestimating Mario and Smash. Halo 2 is approaching 6 million, which is amazing, but at the same time Melee is approaching 4 million and Sunshine 3.5 million. All 3 games are powerhouses.
Psychotext
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Do you like talking about Europe sales because we never get any data to prove one way or another?Wollan said:
Randy Lanzarote
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Wollan said:
The only console that will be doing any slaughtering in Europe this xmas period will be the Wii. 360 and PS3 can battle it out for 2nd and 3rd place, but there is only one console that is at an attractive price point for the mass market.
And even if Sony announce a price cut at Liepzig, whose to say MS won't as well? When consumers go into the shop around Xmas they are going to choose a console that suits their wallet best. Only people on the interwebs care about loyalty to a certain brand, everyone else just wants the lowest priced console with the most games.
siamesedreamer said:
You may have noticed but even with a MS price cut just around the corner the difference in price is actually smaller than it used to be. If MS tries a price drop again this year Sony will follow. Sony have the upper hand now strike wise and when they have sold through all their 60GB with EE/GS chips this winter they will be absolutely ready for the next drop which will happen around the period GTA4 releases.
AltogetherAndrews
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PleoMax said:
Now what exactly are you basing that on?
sionyboy said:
That's another thing. Europe is eating the Wii up. The consoles fly off the shelves everytime a new stack appears.
Ps3 consoles and 360 consoles just stay there.
AltogetherAndrews said:
Fact that it's more of a demo than anything. And it's a PSn title. And Gt4 Prologue didn't exactly set the world on fire.
captain wow
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AltogetherAndrews said:
Do we have any ideas how the previous ones sold?
Metalmurphy said:
What's even more funny is your clear lack of intelligence. Has anyone actually seen the PS3 version? Why didn't R* send Sony some footage back at E3? Why have they only been showing the 360 version in any & all media they release.
You remind me of this Kangaroo...
captain wow
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faberpach said:
Gears 2 (maybe)
Psychotext
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:lolnofilter said:Of course we get data. It's easy enough to subscribe to Chart Track's hardware sales emails... You can't talk about them...
Can I borrow some money?
Qwerty710710
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Wow Wollan can you please tell me what you're smoking I need some of that
Seriously you're delusional, there isn't a chance in hell ps3 is going to make 2 million deficit in Europe. Especially with Halo coming out, and Sony with no killer games, they have to rely on new IP's and hope one of them actually takes off. No way sorry.
Seriously you're delusional, there isn't a chance in hell ps3 is going to make 2 million deficit in Europe. Especially with Halo coming out, and Sony with no killer games, they have to rely on new IP's and hope one of them actually takes off. No way sorry.
bud said:
Probably a 499 console before that game releases but that's besides the point, I believe the hardcore market for SingStar is bigger than most people think.
Anyways, I personally think GT5 Prologue is a much stronger temptation than SS in Europe this fall. I also strongly believe Home will be a big wakeup call for people (interested in gaming) in general. I'm really really looking forward to see how the myspace blogging aspect of both SingStar & Home will do this winter.
Randy Lanzarote
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faberpach said:
I'm sure that Rare have other titles in development too. They can't have just one team beavering away on Banjo. Another PD or Kameo perhaps?
Who knows, I'm sure Mattrick will want to make his mark on the 360, perhaps he has something special up his sleeve.
Wollan said:
Singstar as a standalone SKU is not necessarily a bigger game than Halo in Europe. Singstar has another release almost every month here in the UK, hence if you add them all together (and they are basically expansion packs), you get Sony's 10m units sold figure for Europe. Most of these 10m will be to the same existing customers who buy every new release.
Also, Sony are still releasing Singstars on the PS2, and the biggest boon is that the console is so cheap, you can get the game bundled in, hence it is a really good karoke machine.
If girls still want to play Singstar, they'll stick with their PS2s. Singstar will not sell PS3s in the forseeable future, but I'm sure a few guys who like a bit of singing and already have a PS3 might pick it up.
And Wollan, I used to really like you. But recently you have to take every thread and turn it in to a "PS3 is going to rule the world" thread. Both PS3 and 360 have plenty of games to appeal to hardcore audiences for both 2007 and 2008. And while they are battling it out Wii will still be blasting through sales records with Wii Fit.
Confidence Man
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Home a wakeup call :lol
well Mass effect will probably be pushed into next yearjustjohn said:
, but Yeah I see your point, thing is though...Microsoft have not laid ot their cards for next year, neither has Nintendo. All I can say is the PS3 will get handed royally this christmas by Nintendo and Microsoft. That system does not have the games this Christmas to compete with Halo 3, Smash Bros, and Mario Galaxy. It did when MGS4 was slated for release this fall but now that has fallen through.- Status