TheBaronOfNA
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And FFXIV
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Breaking News: Yoichi Wada resigns as Square Enix CEO, likely being replaced by CFO
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And FFXIV
FF13 is very divisive. Some love it, some hate it. It's honestly the same as every FF released in the past ten years. However, what is happening now is that some people are upset SE hasn't moved on to other titles. The world of FF13 was made into a trilogy to compensate for SE's mismanagement. The reason why though is because 14 was a huge bomb at release, Versus remains in development hell, and SE's next generation output has been very, very low. If you do not like 13 and the sequels, you would understandly be running out of patience for a new project. SE is sending too much time and effort to restore 14 ( which is working) to move their other projects ahead.
Femmeworth
Banned
I doubt Versus has been a huge drain (at least not anywhere as much as XIV), considering that Nomura has been involved to varying degrees with a number of projects since it was first announced. Presumably the rest of the team have as well.
Anticitizen One
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Not everything no. But there were alot more higher quality titles many of which becoming legends of the industry (FF6, FF7, Chrono Trigger, etc.). Under Wada there have been no such breakthroughs and not a single truly good game.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
I'll personally be ok so long as we get Versus, Type 0, Bravely Default, and XHD. Everything else revealed so far can be scrapped. They've probably dumped too much into XIV to abandon it, the XIII sequels need to stop though.
I'm an expert
Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
Again, subjective. I'd pick a bunch of games from now over then. You might not. Shrug. All that matters is their profitability in terms of this thread though.
ZombiePlatypus
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You can't deny the impact, reception, and status those games enjoy compared to the limp reaction of their modern output though.
I'm an expert
Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
That doesn't really matter to me though. Zomg ff7 was amazing when I was a teen amounts to zero when it comes to me enjoying their current library. It might be important to SE and their fan relations and how they turn it into retention, but what more is it to me than shoot the shit over nostalgia with people on boards like this?
SatelliteOfLove
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And I made a "Fire Wada" crack in another thread before seeing this one! About time they listened! 
Seriously, man had ONE victory in his entire run as CEO: buying Eidos. Rest of it was hemmoraghing talent, IP viability, and lately, money. Of course, it's the last one that gets him fired, but it was the first two that led to that.
Perhaps they'll get in someone who isn't a distant, imaginationless miser pissing away the production lines, goodwill, and virility of his company rests upon (sadly, a common malady over there for old guard Japanese publishers).
I'm still convinced it was FFXIV. First one was ushered out the door under his watch in a state that one could be excused for believing was bereft of any movements in the MMO genre (good AND bad), or even its own predecessor's development barring the basidc race/job layout. He then lets it dangle like a hanged man making the company no money for months before calling (nearly) all hands on deck to save the damn thing, making years of development in months then charging a box & sub model to play a game tainted by A) a trainwreck of an initial launch and B) a genre market almost caustic to the very idea of box & sub.
Seriously, man had ONE victory in his entire run as CEO: buying Eidos. Rest of it was hemmoraghing talent, IP viability, and lately, money. Of course, it's the last one that gets him fired, but it was the first two that led to that.
Perhaps they'll get in someone who isn't a distant, imaginationless miser pissing away the production lines, goodwill, and virility of his company rests upon (sadly, a common malady over there for old guard Japanese publishers).
I'm still convinced it was FFXIV. First one was ushered out the door under his watch in a state that one could be excused for believing was bereft of any movements in the MMO genre (good AND bad), or even its own predecessor's development barring the basidc race/job layout. He then lets it dangle like a hanged man making the company no money for months before calling (nearly) all hands on deck to save the damn thing, making years of development in months then charging a box & sub model to play a game tainted by A) a trainwreck of an initial launch and B) a genre market almost caustic to the very idea of box & sub.
IchigoSharingan
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It does matter to you [the consumer]. If a company's reputation for quality output staggers, its sales stagger. The opposite is true, like for Apple.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
Your right when it comes to your personal enjoyment in preferences things like these don't mean anything.
You can't say their best work is subjective though at least not when it comes to general opinion. their current games have failed to capture fans with the same magnitude that they're older games have.
Also you can't dismiss something to nostalgia just cause it old .those games were recognized as great when they first came out and theyre look up on as part of the Golden Age for Square Enix. I doubt anybody is going to look at the past 10 years and current game that's going to take out and think of them as Golden Age material as well.
Edit I'm typing this out on the phone.
I agree with everything you said. They should just make Naoki Yoshida their new CEO.And I made a "Fire Wada" crack in another thread before seeing this one! About time they listened!
Seriously, man had ONE victory in his entire run as CEO: buying Eidos. Rest of it was hemmoraghing talent, IP viability, and lately, money. Of course, it's the last one that gets him fired, but it was the first two that led to that.
Perhaps they'll get in someone who isn't a distant, imaginationless miser pissing away the production lines, goodwill, and virility of his company rests upon (sadly, a common malady over there for old guard Japanese publishers).
I'm still convinced it was FFXIV. First one was ushered out the door under his watch in a state that one could be excused for believing was bereft of any movements in the MMO genre (good AND bad), or even its own predecessor's development barring the basidc race/job layout. He then lets it dangle like a hanged man making the company no money for months before calling (nearly) all hands on deck to save the damn thing, making years of development in months then charging a box & sub model to play a game tainted by A) a trainwreck of an initial launch and B) a genre market almost caustic to the very idea of box & sub.
I'm an expert
Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
I don't know how to respond to this. I can't call opinions subjective because of some perception of majority..? I can't question old games' quality but you can determine future perspectives of current games?
Eithet way, none of that means anything. The quality of their games affect my enjoyment and purchasing decisions. Their games being categorized by fans as some golden age is irrelevant to me. It should matter to the company's interests, but I have no bearing on that. If your point is well one day SE might not exist..I mean..so? Plenty of shit from when we were young doesn't exist in this industry. I get it, we enjoy this hobby, but we'll survive if SE doesn't have another "golden age". I'll keep playin good games. I don't want them to close, I do my part, but I can only buy ATB so many times.
gamergirly
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Whoa. Humm. Not sure what to say.....
I suggest "Yay!" or "Huzzah!" or some variation.
Die Squirrel Die
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I don't know, until we see what the next guy does it's too early to start celebrating. Maybe Wada was booted out because he wasn't Wada enough and the new guy is going to Wada harder than anyone has ever Wadaed before.
Wada you wanna make them eyes at me for
ZombiePlatypus
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My point is simply that the pedigree of the older games like VI through X, when it comes to the community and fans as a whole, cannot be dismissed by nostalgia or subjectivity. Those games instantly made an impact and defined the genre. Their current games failed to do that. By a long shot.
This of course is unrelated to your taste. There's nothing wrong with playing and enjoying what you like independent of how things have turned out.
As I've been at work all day didn't have a chance to respond.
I hope he'll respond for the lulz!
https://twitter.com/DJIzanaKunagiri/...43780838838274
On a site note... hoping to finally see some good freaking developments come from the Japanese side of the company... for once!
I hope he'll respond for the lulz!
https://twitter.com/DJIzanaKunagiri/...43780838838274
On a site note... hoping to finally see some good freaking developments come from the Japanese side of the company... for once!
Right, but anybody could see that. The movie had no audience. You can't sell tickets to ghosts (phantoms).
The concepts started in '96 or '97 I think, so your artist friend knew for quite awhile.
ZombiePlatypus
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Dude that's pretty uncalled for. I mean, I'm not a fan of the guy at all, and am glad he's leaving, and will talk him down in our discussions till I'm blue in the face. But, I don't think we should be harassing him, or trying to send rude messages to him.
The dude oversaw the deterioration of a once great game company. It sucks, but he was just a crappy CEO. He didn't do anything evil or malicious.
lucablight
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Are the negative opinions surrounding Wada, Toriyama and the decline in quality from Square-Enix shared by gamers in Japan or is it just a western thing? Also would Square-Enix and it's employees be aware of what people think of them? If I was Toriyama I would curl up in the foetal position and cry myself to sleep after reading some of the stuff written about me. Lol.
Chinpoko_Master
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Wasn't this the guy who laughed at fans for thinking Versus was cancelled?
To be fair, I think Japan love FF XIII. That is why we are getting 3 games with Lightning in it :/
ZombiePlatypus
Member
Pretty much how I feel. (Also maybe a little even.)
Off-Kilter
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I thought it was excellent - a true return to form. And the crown system was a lot of fun to use.
Of course, this was coming off the heels of Dissidia and a crapload of Crystal Chronicles games and I happened to be clamoring for some traditional Final Fantasy at the time.
I agree with all of this. Thank you
I thought the reason for the first was sequel was because it would be easy to use the engine and assets from XIII to turn a profit and the second sequel was because Toriyama has an unhealthy affection for Lightning.
Man... seriously? The guy WILL get over it. I'm sure he'll probably even get a better job. He's the Japanese version of JR. Seriously... I can see why EA fans were so happy when JR left.
To Far Away Times
Member
Sad to see someone loosing their job, but realistically, Square Enix can only go up from here.
AranhaHunter
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SE stock has tanked big time today. Hit a 52 week low and currently at ~ - 11%
Lightning pretty much won every poll the fans voted for what it was the best FF character of all time. Granted, its a small poll within the hardcore gamers in Japan, but nevertheless, it showed that Lightning is still popular amongst the fans over there. Of course, the games being greenlit is dependent on how profitable they can turn, but why base all your games on Lighting?
We need duckroll to answer this
Hours Left
Member
Hopefully this will actually lead to SE regaining their former glory back.
Memento_Mori15
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Really don't think that's the reason...
They don't?
I know its about taking advantage of the engine that is being built over the years, but I thought FF XIII was liked over there...
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Well, it did sell well, but I don't think they "liked it". FF XIII-2 sold quite bad in Japan.
Mr. Bubble
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B-b-but FFXIII only got a 39/40 in Famitsu! </sarcasm>
Fair enough. I thought the demography targeted at, liked the whole JDrama feel it was going for
Still sold well enough to convince them to make third one....
Relaxed Muscle
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If I have to guess they already had in mind making the third one anyway.
Agreed, but we don't know that for sure.
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