It's a fully 3D accelerometer array ("six axis" in Sony-speak) and it can detect tilt of less than 30 degrees from vertical based on apps I've seen demoed. I would suppose its accuracy is similar to the motion detection in the Wiimote and SixAxis since they all use similar IC accelerometer tech.Stinkles said:
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Breaking: Spore for iPhone revealed
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flipping_heck
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man, Aiai must feel like a whore...
Micromegas
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This is way more than I expected today. I know Apple always gives gaming a token nod, but doesn't this seem like they're taking things a bit more seriously this time w/ the iPhone?
Sounds like they're going to allow freeware at least, but there will still be some vetting of apps they consider "unsavory" for the platform.Marconelly said:
Sucks that we've got to wait until June for iPhone 2.0 firmware to allow all this, but the scope of the SDK exceeds expectations. This is great stuff.
Jibber Hack
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Terrell said:
Like they were when the PSP launched?
Really, looking at the landscape in Japan, Nintendo should have nothing to worry about for some time to come.
My biggest question is more how the hell devs are going to actually be able to store these programs on the iPhone. Storage space is going to be an issue, with the largest iPhone maxing out at 16 gigs. That isn't near enough room if you want to have videos, music, and games like Spore on this thing.
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:lol :lol :loldavepoobond said:
i dunno man, apple magic?
With the release of their SDK, Palmpilots just became irrelevant (as if they weren't already)
the potential for various applications (games etc..) + iTunes recognition = win
Very much so, All it would take is a stream of games, perhaps those with the same appeal of brain training and other "non-games" to appeal to the Masses,.
Apple would capture those who had ZERO interest in buying a DS or any other traditional handheld
the potential for various applications (games etc..) + iTunes recognition = win
Terrell said:
Very much so, All it would take is a stream of games, perhaps those with the same appeal of brain training and other "non-games" to appeal to the Masses,.
Apple would capture those who had ZERO interest in buying a DS or any other traditional handheld
This is the first time I'm actually scared for Nintendo. Wow.
Honestly, think about the demographics of people who want or own Iphone. Sure, it's pretty much anyone, but ESPECIALLY 18-35 year olds like the people who post on this board and are hardcore gamers with money to burn.
In other words, if Activision wants to put Call of Duty 4 on the iPhone, it'll sell.
Honestly, think about the demographics of people who want or own Iphone. Sure, it's pretty much anyone, but ESPECIALLY 18-35 year olds like the people who post on this board and are hardcore gamers with money to burn.
In other words, if Activision wants to put Call of Duty 4 on the iPhone, it'll sell.
Dartastic said:
I dunno, well written games for once? A lot of the people attracted to the iPhone will be old-school developers, the same who are interested in WiiWare. The ex-Amiga, home computer developers. Especially with the cash-incentive of the iFund to help them back into things.
16GB is massive to them, and OSX lets you write very optimised stuff. Plus iPhones will be 32GB by default in June, and storage is only going to increase as time goes on ...
Looking at the landscape of Japan where developers are willing to put the spiritual successor to Parasite Eve on cell phones, and the cell phone games market is unbelievably strong as it is... yowza. You're now looking at iPhone as a full convergence device that actually doesn't appear to dilute any of the features it converges.Jibber Hack said:
As other posters have mentioned, I can see both Nintendo AND Sony being really worried. I imagine Japanese record companies are shitting themselves about iPhone at this point, as well, given their lackluster support of the iTunes Store marketplace.
I see the iPhone possibly acting as a new, disruptive influence in handheld gaming but not displacing the older systems. It could be the handheld world's "Wii" up against the more traditional DS and PSP. I'm not claiming the iPhone will be as successful as Wii in dominating the gaming scene: that sounds remarkably unlikely. I mean it offers a revolution in thinking that may open up handheld gaming to new genres and markets, competing in a slightly different space than the others though ultimately chasing after the same limited supply of consumer entertainment dollars.Terrell said:
Wii provided innovation (motion control, one-hand control, pointing control all out of the box on the default interface) and casual-friendly packaging (Wii Sports pack-in, $250 price point) to upset the normal pecking order of home consoles. In exchange it has several important limitation: non-standard interface with fewer buttons and sticks, less on-board memory than the competition (mostly), only EDTV resolution and far less powerful rendering capabilities, and so forth.
iPhone gaming kinda mirrors this. It's definitely innovative: multi-touch control and tilt control on a handheld opens up new gaming options. It's a phone with extensive WiFi capabilities out of the box, trumping all the connectivity options on DS and PSP. And most important from the business perspective it will utilize a digital download sales model running on the most successful DD storefront in the world.
... BUT the downside is the device has only four buttons and a switch and none of them could be co-opted for use in-game, they're reserved for core device functionality. Like the Wiimote the device's interface innovation separates it from mainstream gaming design. Many types of games just will not work well without mechanical buttons and D-Pad providing tactile feedback and predictable response times. And the battery will be an issue, and the price is prohibitive for a mainstream gaming machine (of course, practically no one will buy it JUST for gaming).
iPhone and devices like it can revolutionize mobile gaming but it can't render the dedicated gaming hardware obsolete. But if I were in charge at Nintendo I would be keeping an eye on future iPhone hardware revisions and keeping the R&D guys working overtime...
DangerStepp
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I never saw this coming. This is supremely excellent! Also, what platform is this game NOT going to be on?!
When you say 'subscription', I'm assuming you're referring to the phone service we pay for monthly?minus_273 said:
Nash said:
32GB isn't bad, but you can't tell me that 16 gigs is "massive." Once you get some music and movies on there that 16 gigs is just gone. For some people that small amount of storage isn't a problem, but personally it's a huge issue. I have around 50GB of music and I know people that have way more. I'm sure the type of developer you're referring to also believes that's plenty of space, but from what Apple has shown, it's not much space at all. Games like Spore are going to take up plenty of space, and 16 GB just isn't enough for what the iPhone is designed to do.
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But the Phoenix Wright games would totally fit on the iPhone/Touch, all it needs is a touchscreen. They could even port the DS versions straight to the iPhone/Touch.
Capcom would be able to increase the awareness of this franchise to people who might not even know it existed. or they could retain the same game and humor in the writing, but coat it with a license people are more familiar with
But the Phoenix Wright games would totally fit on the iPhone/Touch, all it needs is a touchscreen. They could even port the DS versions straight to the iPhone/Touch.
Capcom would be able to increase the awareness of this franchise to people who might not even know it existed. or they could retain the same game and humor in the writing, but coat it with a license people are more familiar with
Micromegas
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I must say, this thread has a refreshing lack of the nominal Apple hate that tends to dominate things on occasions. Cheers!
I guess the iPhone is just so goddamn sexy, even the Apple-haters can't muster anything.
I guess the iPhone is just so goddamn sexy, even the Apple-haters can't muster anything.
The Sphinx said:
I think the DS is quite safe, the clamshell+stylus is quite iconic and suits some of it's most popular and killer titles (Brain Training I'm looking at you). It's a friendly games machine, and people will still want it for that.
Sony though, well yeah they should be worried. This is the convergence device the PSP has always struggled to be, and Apple have all the delivery mechanisms and support in place that they need.
I think PSP will be killed in the iPhone/DS squeeze. Between them those 2 have both sides of the market completely covered.
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Visualante
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Kudos to both EA and Apple.
Dartastic said:
Well if you are one of the type who wants to carry their entire 50GB music collection around, of course it won't be enough space.
But yes, of course old-school game developers can do wonders with that space. XBLA limit is what 32MB? Even if you devoted only 1GB to games, that would allow you to have 32 games on it.
Spore is probably not the best example of what an average iPhone game will be, although even that would probably be smaller than you expect. People were writing whole 3D universes in 32K once you know, let alone 32MB which is 1000 times the space ...
Lord Error
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You still won't be able to get 'serious' button-based games on Iphone. As long as you can't play something like God of War on any other handheld, PSP will be great for that kind of games. Besides, by the time Iphone/Touch starts getting the bulk of games a year or two down the line, it will be time for PSP's successor anyways.Nash said:
Yeah, but you're forgetting about the Ipod Touch, which doesn't have subscription model either. Besides, you pay monthly subscriptions for your existing phone anyways, so Iphone won't add any extra cost there.Dartastic said:
grandjedi6
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This is just the start of a new age of mobile gaming in America 
Marconelly said:
Hasn't the fact the PSP has struggled so much, especially with software sales, shown that God Of War is precisely the sort of game most people don't want on a handheld though?
I personally don't think you will see a PSP successor. As an experiment in joint handheld/console games it just didn't work, even the choice of media was a mistake. They are different markets demanding different types of games, and a different approach to things.
Sony want a convergence device more than a handheld console, but like they struggled to come up with an answer to the iPod they will struggle to catch up with the iPhone. Sony's direction in this area will go increasingly down the SonyEricsson route in my opinion.
Nash said:Spore is probably not the best example of what an average iPhone game will be, although even that would probably be smaller than you expect. People were writing whole 3D universes in 32K once you know, let alone 32MB which is 1000 times the space ...
You're totally right. I'm sure that the vast majority of games won't all be as big as Spore, but I'm just concerned about the person who wants to use every function of the iPhone. Especially if developers get more ambitious in regards to porting PC software.
Marconelly said:
No I'm not. The iPod Touch is too expensive right now, and IMO it's a rip-off compared to what the iPhone can do, especially when you compare the price points. If the price comes down it may make more of an impact, but currently I think the iPod Touch isn't much of a factor. That could definitely change, however.
Yes, a technological powerhouse like the PSP will always be welcomed, but it's software sales leave a lot to be desired.Marconelly said:
I think there is more than enough space for all 3, but USERS may not always be inclined to carry all 3 with them at any one time. Ultimately they'll limit how many portable "gadgets" they own and will prefer to carry only one (or two)
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Rampant piracy says "hi"Nash said:
I AM JOHN! said:
Software sales on PSP were dead in the water very soon after launch in Japan.
It was selling as a media player/convergence device more than a gaming device, and never really got going again. Piracy obviously hasn't helped, but literally everyone I know who got a PSP (myself included) bored of it once the novelty of playing console games in the palm of your hand had worn off. Then it was back to the DS and things that were much more suited to travelling around like Phoenix Wright and co.
The iPhone will take the convergence media-player side of things, with an unbeatable interface and digital delivery mechanism, 3D graphics, and combine it with the accessibility of the DS/Wii style touch/tilt-based games. I think that will be a huge dent to the PSP.
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Do Not Want.
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Lord Error
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But isn't that kind of games practically the only thing that sells well on PSP? Like Daxter or GTA Stories?Nash said:
That might well be true, and is in line what I'm expecting too. A SE Phone with Playstation branding, (much like they have phones with Cybershot branding), instead of dedicated 'PSP2'.
It's a choice between subscription or paying once for a dedicated, slimmer, lighter device (and having a separate phone that has it's own battery etc.) 8GB touch now costs the same the PSP did when it launched, and the price will go down. Still yeah, even the cheapest option right now is more expensive than DS or PSP.Dartastic said:
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i now officially want an iphone.
Great Poster
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solid2snake said:
needs more Solid Eye and bandanna
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Great Poster said:needs more Solid Eye and bandanna
he would be otacon with his iMac
Spore has just been officially confirmed for release on iPhone in September.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/ea-mobiles-spore-becomes-first-3rd-party-iphone-game/
http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/ea-mobiles-spore-becomes-first-3rd-party-iphone-game/
yoursisterspretty
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I really can't believe that apple didn't bork this. My iPhone is very, very happy. Now someone make a Advance Wars rip-off---QUICK!