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[-COOLIO-]

:lol omfg i am rofl irl

But really, statistically and factually, you are wrong.

oh my lord

ok please show me the stats that indicates that slaughterhouse workers kill more helpless animals outside of their work for fun then crazy psycho bitches. i would LOVE to see this study.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

She's not going to jail. So you'd prefer a cat torturer to not receive psychological treatment at all?

she also thrashed the lady's apartment and stole some stuff. if she is convicted of those charges she could go to jail for longer than if she were charged only with animal cruelty charges.

 

[blame space]

oh my lord

ok please show me the stats that indicates that slaughterhouse workers kill more helpless animals outside of their work for fun then crazy psycho bitches. i would LOVE to see this study.

???

 

[TheCardPlayer]

I ask you this: if she ate the cat, would it be justified? Serious question.

Either you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, or you're a pathetic troll. It's one or the other.

 

[-COOLIO-]

I ask you this: if she ate the cat, would it be justified? Serious question.

no. she tortured it

???

no no wat werk is?

 

[blame space]

no. she tortured it

I would be greatly interested in your definition of torture. Really.

no no wat werk is?

So compensation has something to do with it? Tell me how you really feel.

 

[demon]

she also thrashed the lady's apartment and stole some stuff. if she is convicted of those charges she could go to jail for longer than if she were charged only with animal cruelty charges.

And eventually she'll be out, sooner or later. And she'll still have a the brain of a kitten roaster.

 

[harSon]

ok you've got to be kidding me. so everyone in slaughter houses TORTURE animals for the FUN of it?

I never said those words, simply that if they were against the concept of killing animals, they wouldn't work there.

no, i never said that. i said killing an animal in a slaughterhouse for their meat was fine. if cats were 300 pounds heavier and tasted like beef id eat their asses instead.

Not every animal we eat weighs a ton, chickens are probably the best example. What he was trying to say is that there is an undeniable hypocrisy when it comes to animals, specifically the idea that domesticated house pets are some how "superior" than other animals. You know, a family of four sitting at the couch in shock and awe over a case of dog abuse on the news while eating a hearty bowl of chicken soup?

I'm not trying to condone this girl's behavior, what she did was sick and disgusting, all I'm asking for is a little consistency with the shock.

 

[-COOLIO-]

I would be greatly interested in your definition of torture. Really.

torture: the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty.

-dictionary.com

So compensation has something to do with it? Tell me how you really feel.

you had a post identical to this before. read my response.

 

[blame space]

I'm not trying to condone this girl's behavior, what she did was sick and disgusting, all I'm asking for is a little consistency with the shock.

Thank God, sanity exists.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

And eventually she'll be out, sooner or later. And she'll still have a the brain of a kitten roaster.

well,I don't have any hope that she'll be "rehabilitated"

 

[demon]

I would be greatly interested in your definition of torture. Really.

Being subjected to your idiotic posts?

Look. Run through for us what you think the thought process is behind a person putting a live kitten in an oven and cooking it to death for pleasure, and that of a slaughterhouse worker killing a cow instantly to turn it into food, and explain how the latter is anywhere near as dangerous.

 

[blame space]

torture: the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty.

-dictionary.com

All right, got me! I differ from dictionary.com. How about humanity?

hu⋅man⋅i⋅ty  [hyoo-man-i-tee or, often, yoo-] Show IPA
–noun, plural -ties.
1. all human beings collectively; the human race; humankind.
2. the quality or condition of being human; human nature.
3. the quality of being humane; kindness; benevolence.

 

[blame space]

Being subjected to your idiotic posts?

Look. Run through for us what you think the thought process is behind a person putting a live kitten in an oven and cooking it to death for pleasure, and that of a slaughterhouse worker killing a cow instantly to turn it into food, and explain how the latter is anywhere near as dangerous.

Subjective, at best. Anyone who doesn't recognize that is kidding themselves.

 

[rainking187]

All right, got me! I differ from dictionary.com. How about humanity?

He's right. Let's never eat anything ever again.

 

[demon]

Subjective, at best. Anyone who doesn't recognize that is kidding themselves.

Cop out answer. Answer my question and explain your position.

 

[WickedAngel]

I hear they actually kill the animals in slaughter houses!

Spoiler

there's a difference between an animal you intend to eat or intended for human consumption and just torturing an animal because you can

Spoiler

And a VERY large difference between cooking an animal alive and killing one nearly instantly with a pneumatic prod.

Animal cruelty laws should be much, much stricter than they currently are.

 

[Alex]

For some folks, it's just really hard to be rational when responding to stuff like this. It's not very level headed or even handed, but hearing about domesticated animals suffering because of utter scum like this just breaks me apart. I had a hard time even finishing reading that.

I barely watch TV anymore either but every time I do, I flip by Animal Planet and they're playing that damned animal abuse show and it'll wreck my day.

It can really be a depressing world, sometimes.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

I never said those words, simply that if they were against the concept of killing animals, they wouldn't work there.



Not every animal we eat weighs a ton, chickens are probably the best example. What he was trying to say is that there is an undeniable hypocrisy when it comes to animals, specifically the idea that domesticated house pets are some how "superior" than other animals. You know, a family of four sitting at the couch in shock and awe over a case of dog abuse on the news while eating a hearty bowl of chicken soup?

I'm not trying to condone this girl's behavior, what she did was sick and disgusting, all I'm asking for is a little consistency with the shock.

well, it is shocking to see the barbaric conditions that farm animals are/have been kept in at these slaughterhouses, but we're not talking about that today.

today's topic is about some punk burning a small cat to death because she thought it was funny.
most people demand/want that farm animals are treated as humanely as possible for two reasons.
one,for the quality of the product and two, for the animals well-being themselves. (however short it is on this planet)

the reason a lot of people feel disgusted/shocked about this story is that many of us own pets like cats and dogs and we empathize when we hear these stories.

 

[blame space]

He's right. Let's never eat anything ever again.

How about "let's not turn the slaughter of a huge amount of an entire species to fulfill our urge for meat" again. Better? Oh, wait, you were trying to be funny!

 

[rainking187]

How about "let's not turn the slaughter of a huge amount of an entire species fulfill our urge for meat" again. Better? Oh, wait, you were trying to be funny!

Well what's your suggestion? Yes, we kill lots of animals for food to eat to get all the nutrients the human body needs. The alternative is...?

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

How about "let's not turn the slaughter of a huge amount of an entire species to fulfill our urge for meat" again. Better? Oh, wait, you were trying to be funny!

and now you're running in circles and not answering anything really because you know you don't have a foot to stand on.

 

[harSon]

well, it is shocking to see the barbaric conditions that farm animals are/have been kept in at these slaughterhouses, but we're not talking about that today.

today's topic is about some punk burning a small cat to death because she thought it was funny.
most people demand/want that farm animals are treated as humanely as possible for two reasons.
one,for the quality of the product and two, for the animals well-being themselves. (however short it is on this planet)

the reason a lot of people feel disgusted/shocked about this story is that many of us own pets like cats and dogs and we empathize when we hear these stories.

I understand and am not trying to detract from the significance of the story, like I said, it was a sick and fucked thing to do. I guess I just never get a chance to discuss this type of stuff considering threads of that nature don't seem to pop up :/

 

[blame space]

Cop out answer. Answer my question and explain your position.

Cop out question. I have no guilty conscience when it comes to what I eat.

What you should ask of yourself is to try and figure out where your food comes from, and what kind of treatment goes into the animals that you eat. Intent is irrelevant when it comes to the death of other creatures. Earn some humanity and figure that out.

and now you're running in circles and not answering anything really because you know you don't have a foot to stand on.

Yeah, you're right. You have much more stable a foot to stand on morally than I do when it comes to this issue. Really.

If you're offended by this news story then you have no alternative other than to look in the mirror and realize the double-standard that you contribute to as a meat-eater. Period.

 

[-COOLIO-]

I never said those words, simply that if they were against the concept of killing animals, they wouldn't work there.

they arnt against the concept of killing animals, but they dont torture animals for fun. and like i said most people in slaughterhouses probably don't want to work their. i remember being within a mile of one and it smelt like shit.

Not every animal we eat weighs a ton, chickens are probably the best example. What he was trying to say is that there is an undeniable hypocrisy when it comes to animals, specifically the idea that domesticated house pets are some how "superior" than other animals. You know, a family of four sitting at the couch in shock and awe over a case of dog abuse on the news while eating a hearty bowl of chicken soup?

I'm not trying to condone this girl's behavior, what she did was sick and disgusting, all I'm asking for is a little consistency with the shock.

well just for fun im going to point out that chickens are really fucking stupid.

anyway, if cats were the last animal on earth and there was nutritional/economic/deliciousness value in eating them i might. i would never eat something like a chimp though because they're too smart. they get too much out of life for me to feel they're worth killing to eat. also, i would never eat a domesticated cat that has people who care about it and a good home. that's why im fine with animals being killed for food right now.

edit: but one more thing. when it comes to purpose in the universe i always focus on aggregate happiness and suffering. if chickens experience significant mental pain, pain that meant something. then im not sure i could justify eating them. i dont get that impression right now though, it seems like they forget the last day, the last experience, and start anew.

 

[rainking187]

Intent is irrelevant when it comes to the death of other creatures.

Fail. So you mean to tell me that if a farming family was starving and had to kill one of their cows so they could live it makes them the same as the girl who put the cat in the oven?

 

[blame space]

Fail. So you mean to tell me that if a farming family was starving and had to kill one of their cows so they could live it makes them the same as the girl who put the cat in the oven?

In my mind, yes, but in the case of most beef farmers, this is laughable to even consider.

Consider it.

anyway, if cats were the last animal on earth and there was nutritional/economic/deliciousness value in eating them i might.

confirmed

 

[-COOLIO-]

All right, got me! I differ from dictionary.com. How about humanity?

actually you do differ.

youre saying that the worker within their means arent trying to be as humane to the animals but they are. if they could make the whole mechanism for animal slaughter better and more humane with the snap of the fingers im sure they would. the workers don't want the animals to suffer, they want them to die as well as possible within their means. you disagree?

 

[WickedAngel]

In my mind, yes, but in the case of most beef farmers, this is laughable to even consider.

Consider it.

Consider the notion that you don't know what you're talking about and most of the people who have realized that have put you on Ignore.

 

[Gaborn]

In my mind, yes, but in the case of most beef farmers, this is laughable to even consider.

Consider it.

It must be nice to live in a society where YOU don't have to ever worry about your food choices, they'll always be there for you. Pity that the majority of the world doesn't have almost unlimited access to food choices and DOESN'T necessarily have even a guaranteed supply of food in the first place.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

Cop out question. I have no guilty conscience when it comes to what I eat.

What you should ask of yourself is to try and figure out where your food comes from, and what kind of treatment goes into the animals that you eat. Intent is irrelevant when it comes to the death of other creatures. Earn some humanity and figure that out.



Yeah, you're right. You have much more stable a foot to stand on morally than I do when it comes to this issue. Really.

If you're offended by this news story then you have no alternative other than to look in the mirror and realize the double-standard that you contribute to as a meat-eater. Period.

this isn't about our morals, it's about that kid's who would do such a thing. yeah, i eat meat. and without guilt too. because i don't demand that the farm animals be brutalized. when i hear about it, i don't use the company that does these types of abuses.
but to get back to the real topic, you seem to equate the act of killing a farm animal with brutalizing a small kitten by shoving it in an oven. if you can't comprehend the difference, i feel sorry for you.

 

[blame space]

Consider the notion that you don't know what you're talking about and most of the people who have realized that have put you on Ignore.

LOL u got me. Honestly, I really give a fuck that WickedAngel put me on ignore. Really, I do.

 

[blame space]

It must be nice to live in a society where YOU don't have to ever worry about your food choices, they'll always be there for you. Pity that the majority of the world doesn't have almost unlimited access to food choices and DOESN'T necessarily have even a guaranteed supply of food in the first place.

New Development™

 

[rainking187]

In my mind, yes,

Annnnnd I'm done.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

they arnt against the concept of killing animals, but they dont torture animals for fun. and like i said most people in slaughterhouses probably don't want to work their. i remember being within a mile of one and it smelt like shit.




well just for fun im going to point out that chickens are really fucking stupid.

anyway, if cats were the last animal on earth and there was nutritional/economic/deliciousness value in eating them i might. i would never eat something like a chimp though because they're too smart. they get too much out of life for me to feel they're worth killing to eat. also, i would never eat a domesticated cat that has people who care about it and a good home. that's why im fine with animals being killed for food right now.

edit: but one more thing. when it comes to purpose in the universe i always focus on aggregate happiness and suffering. if chickens experience significant mental pain, pain that meant something. then im not sure i could justify eating them. i dont get that impression right now though, it seems like they forget the last day, the last experience, and start anew.

well, i had a few pet chickens when i was a kid (i lived...elsewhere) and they are as smart as any cat or dog. but that's not why we farm them and eat them.

 

[-COOLIO-]

confirmed

wat? i said id eat them all the same if it made sense. cows and chickens make sense to eat. they produce a lot of meat fairly quickly, and they taste really good.

well, i had a few pet chickens when i was a kid (i lived...elsewhere) and they are as smart as any cat or dog. but that's not why we farm them and eat them.

ive always heard that chicken brains are like peas. well anyway, as long as they're no chimps ill still eat the shit out of them.

 

[blame space]

well, i had a few pet chickens when i was a kid (i lived...elsewhere) and they are as smart as any cat or dog. but that's not why we farm them and eat them.

wat? i said id eat them all the same if it made sense. cows and chickens make sense to eat. they produce a lot of meat fairly quickly, and they taste really good.

:lol I couldn't ask for better responses.

 

[-COOLIO-]

:lol I couldn't ask for better responses.

ok so because id rather eat a cow then lets say... ants im the fucking retard? yessir gotchya.

shit maybe i should eat a poisonous blowfish so im not bias oooooh.

 

[blame space]

ok so because id rather eat a cow then lets say... ants im the fucking retard? yessir gotchya.

shit maybe i should eat a poisonous blowfish so im not bias oooooh.

Good answer! Makes you seem intelligent and empathetic.

 

[-COOLIO-]

Good answer! Makes you seem intelligent and empathetic.

Good answer! Makes you seem intelligent and empathetic

see look i did it again.

i usually continue discussions like this because people tend to become more reasonable as they go on and something usually clicks where you get some kind of understanding of the other persons view through some sort of progression but that's not going to happen here is it?

 

[blame space]

Good answer! Makes you seem intelligent and empathetic

see look i did it again.

i usually continue discussions like this because people tend to become more reasonable as they go on and something usually clicks where you get some kind of understanding of the other persons view through some sort of progression but that's not going to happen here is it?

I don't know, explain how one unintelligent animal's life put to an end is somehow worth more than another's and then we can talk...

 

[-COOLIO-]

I don't know, explain how one unintelligent animal's life put to an end is somehow worth more than another's and then we can talk...

the same reason we dont compare human like to animal life. as it appears to us human life is full, rich, long and meaningful. i think most people believe that human life has a greater capacity for happiness than animal life. we could be wrong, and if so neither of our lives are worth more than an ant's.

but i dont think we're wrong and i dont think you do either. if you had to choose between a random humans life and an ants, i'd hope you'd pick the human.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

eh, you're just funny to me at this point Blame space. the bottom line is that tiger lilly (name of the cat) won't be coming back and we can just hope the person that did this gets punished (i'm hoping rather harshly but....)

 

[CoolTrick]

I'm not going to entirely agree with blame space but I think it's a little unfair how everyone's totally jumping on him.

There is obviously a difference between torturing an animal and killing them painlessly for food.

But honestly, you're all jumping on someone for, at the heart of it, recognizing the worth of every animal's life.

You may not either agree with the specifics (like whether or not animals raised to be slaughtered is torture), or you may disagree on whether a domesticated animal's life is worth more than one brought up in a slaughterhouse, etc. etc.

But I think it's, frankly, a good thing to recognize the worth of every animal's life, and that sort of viewpoint should be praised, not condemned, even if you're not a fan of some of the framing like equating this tortured kitten with slaughtering a cattle.


I personally acknowledge that I'm pretty hypocritical: I understand and respect the value of every animal's life, and if I had a magic wand to improve the conditions at slaughterhouses -- or if there was a way to cut down on the number of animals slaughtered in wasteful excess, etc, I absolutely would. But I'm not a vegetarian because, ultimately, there's no real practical use in me refusing to give up my love of steak in support of animal rights. Real change is, say, broadcasting the conditions at slaughterhouses and making the public more aware.

 

[-COOLIO-]

I'm not going to entirely agree with blame space but I think it's a little unfair how everyone's totally jumping on him.

There is obviously a difference between torturing an animal and killing them painlessly for food.

But honestly, you're all jumping on someone for, at the heart of it, recognizing the worth of every animal's life.

You may not either agree with the specifics (like whether or not animals raised to be slaughtered is torture), or you may disagree on whether a domesticated animal's life is worth more than one brought up in a slaughterhouse, etc. etc.

But I think it's, frankly, a good thing to recognize the worth of every animal's life, and that sort of viewpoint should be praised, not condemned, even if you're not a fan of some of the framing like equating this tortured kitten with slaughtering a cattle.


I personally acknowledge that I'm pretty hypocritical: I understand and respect the value of every animal's life, and if I had a magic wand to improve the conditions at slaughterhouses -- or if there was a way to cut down on the number of animals slaughtered in wasteful excess, etc, I absolutely would. But I'm not a vegetarian because, ultimately, there's no real practical use in me refusing to give up my love of steak in support of animal rights. Real change is, say, broadcasting the conditions at slaughterhouses and making the public more aware.

i commend him for making a statement against animal cruelty in slaughterhouses but nobody jumped on him for the peta talk. i and probably everyone else agrees that slaughterhouses need to get better. it was his view that the girl was no different from a slaughterhouse worker than got everyone's attention, and his view that animal life compared to human life that also seemed a little out there.

 

[JimiNutz]

mmm roasted kitten

I was thinking this.
Neighbours said they thought they could smell food burning.
I wonder what roast kitten smells like? If I was the reporter I would have asked the neighbour if it smelled delicious.

But yeah burning something alive is pretty disgusting. I did it once when I was young and dumb, and vowed never to do it again. Hopefully these idiots realise just how reprehensible their behaviour is and the experience changes them for the better.

 

[blame space]

i commend him for making a statement against animal cruelty in slaughterhouses but nobody jumped on him for the peta talk. i and probably everyone else agrees that slaughterhouses need to get better. it was his view that the girl was no different from a slaughterhouse worker than get everyone's attention, and his view that animal life compared to human life that also seemed a little out there.

Sorry bro, but all this deserves is a big group of

???

 

[-COOLIO-]

Sorry bro, but all this deserves is a big group of

???

i was just coining a phrase with "peta talk" but ive heard that peta is batshit crazy now so maybe i should of just went with "humanitarian talk"

as for the human life thing you did say:

question: "Fail. So you mean to tell me that if a farming family was starving and had to kill one of their cows so they could live it makes them the same as the girl who put the cat in the oven?"

your answer: "In my mind, yes, but in the case of most beef farmers, this is laughable to even consider."

to be honest i didnt think you meant it. was i right? as a matter of fact your answer implies that nothing should ever be killed, even to save more life.

 

[blame space]

i was just coining a phrase with "peta talk" but ive heard that peta is batshit crazy now so maybe i should of just went with "humanitarian talk"

as for the human life thing you did say:

question: "Fail. So you mean to tell me that if a farming family was starving and had to kill one of their cows so they could live it makes them the same as the girl who put the cat in the oven?"

your answer: "In my mind, yes, but in the case of most beef farmers, this is laughable to even consider."

to be honest i didnt think you meant it. was i right? as a matter of fact your answer implies that nothing should ever be killed, even to save more life.

What I personally feel and what most beef farmers feel will obviously be different, but it doesn't make the question any less laughable to each party.

EDIT: Note to the onlookers: it really isn't hard to live a meat-free lifestyle. You can do it!

 

[Unknown One]

I was thinking this.
Neighbours said they thought they could smell food burning.
I wonder what roast kitten smells like? If I was the reporter I would have asked the neighbour if it smelled delicious.

But yeah burning something alive is pretty disgusting. I did it once when I was young and dumb, and vowed never to do it again. Hopefully these idiots realise just how reprehensible their behaviour is and the experience changes them for the better.

No offense, but you were a MONSTER when you were young. From watching old Indian movies I know burning alive is one of the most horrible death.

One time I was playing with a baby duck and accidentally broke it's neck (I was 10). I felt so bad that I gave it a burial while it was still alive. I still regret killing the poor chick duck today.