At least they didn't list her as 600+ year-old dragon or vampire.
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At least they didn't list her as 600+ year-old dragon or vampire.
YoshiStrife
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They did hide Kasumi and Ayane's ages until they brought them to a more Western-accepted age. Kasumi is now 19, and to be fair, she looks at least that age now anyway.
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Why does this matter? The imaginary numbers assigned to these imaginary characters are irrelevant. The only reason to care about them at all is that assigning unusually low numbers to their supposed age makes the developers look really fuckin' skeevy, but otherwise it doesn't excuse anything, or else people wouldn't be as disgusted by designs like Fire Emblem's Nowi as they are.
Some people will swear any anime-styled female character is 12 years old regardless of how old they actually look, so it's not really possible to have a good discussion about the matter unfortunately.
That's not the only swimsuit she can wear, any of the characters in DoAX3 can wear any of the swimsuits. People who hate her character would complain regardless, though.
Basketball
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Crossing Eden
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It's a 100% clear cut case of who exactly Marie Rose is designed to appeal to and what she's intended to look like. Come on now. And the reason for this is because even with older appearances they give characters child like mannerisms. The subject of the OP is literally an example of that. In fact I actually wanna see an example where you've seen someone do what you described here with a character who either doesn't look like a child or have any childlike mannerisms.
ClutchAnderson
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Honoka is the worst. Totally boring move set imo and her face just irks me.
oh come on
At this point, the only one with a 1,000+ age listing (1,018) is Nyotengu, but she already looked older compared to Honoka and Marie Rose anyway.
Helena's great, but I don't think much of Rachel personally (her Critical Burst is pretty cool, though). Never liked Christie myself.
Basketball
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You guys heard about this game
Character action like bayo lite but I swear they ripped the face off Marie Rose
Character action like bayo lite but I swear they ripped the face off Marie Rose
SoulUnison
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Sorry, but my ability to detect sarcasm has been a bit wonky lately.
Coreda
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There's like three total posts in this thread remarking on the actual thing the OP created the topic to highlight: the blend of martial arts styles/move set, which is as worthwhile as any random topic to make a thread about.
Seeing as few seem to think it's an interesting thing to discuss on its own why doesn't someone take it upon themselves to create a new thread about what most here want to make the topic about? That is, problems posters see with the ages of some characters and the sexualized nature of various entries/costumes in the DoA series.
Seeing as few seem to think it's an interesting thing to discuss on its own why doesn't someone take it upon themselves to create a new thread about what most here want to make the topic about? That is, problems posters see with the ages of some characters and the sexualized nature of various entries/costumes in the DoA series.
Chaos2Frozen
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Oh 'coddamn'.
I read that as Honoka condom, and was like "yup, why not".
I read that as Honoka condom, and was like "yup, why not".
I like DOA a lot, and it pains me that K-T's effort to make it less pandering failed, lol. Honoka and Marie are shit designs, though, two of the worst in the entire genre. Honoka straight up doesn't even represent a fighting style, these crappy characters were made to appeal to people who think kiddy schoolgirls are sexually attractive.
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That's literally the same head model LMFAOYou guys heard about this game
Character action like bayo lite but I swear they ripped the face off Marie Rose
Looks like they made the slightest possible adjustments in zbrush and called it a day.
It happens in pretty much every thread about niche Japanese games if the characters aren't clearly 25+ they must be 12 years old according to some people. Not going to bother discussing this anymore because this thread is already off-topic and I don't see anything productive coming from it.
Demoskinos
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Its actually not though. People just make assumptions and go with the narrative they already are going to in their head.
Crossing Eden
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Again it's best to post receipts instead of making a blanket statement. Especially since the character in question is literally designed to look like a child and the one in the OP has the face and fashion sense of a child regardless of bust size.
Basketball
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That's literally the same head model LMFAO
lol yeah
I went to the steam forums and everything is in Chinese
SoulUnison
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Oh, c'mon. I can't even take this response seriously.
Maybe it's the toddler onesie throwing me off, but the absolute highest I can look at that girl and estimate is, like 15.
Crossing Eden
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Straight shameless. This actually explains the DS clone thread earlier having animations that look a little TOO similar to the ones in the actual game. Might just be ripped data.lol yeah
I went to the steam forums and everything is in Chinese
OmegaSmash
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Her tank top/jacket/2U costumes > everything else
To be fair, that's not Marie Rose's original costume. Her original costume is gothic lolita.
Use this to judge what age she's supposed to be.
Of her defaults, the steampunk one's pretty good too. Same for the red shirt with the karate bear.
Looks, acts, sounds, and dresses like a little girl. But I guess we dumb westerners wouldn't understand or something.
Eh.
I would say a lot of Japanese female character designs - or rather, their specific depictions as such - beggar belief when it comes to any assertion that they are fully-grown adults rather than caricatures created for straight-male consumption.
I can't remember who said it, but a lot of folks who create fictional Japanese media seem to draw heavily from well-worn tropes and stereotypes rather than drawing from life and using real-world experience, which results in the kinds of stilted and unnatural-looking depictions we often see in these games. DoA in particular is very much guilty of this as a lot of the characters do not act or move or dress like adult women. Even Tekken has had shades of this lately (with Josie in particular being a real sore point for me).
It's incredibly transparent what they're going for. Being unable to see this strikes me as a sort of selective blindness. It's one thing to say you like it, but asserting that it is something it's not is something else entirely.
Crossing Eden
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The devs are straight up more honest about these things then some of the fanbase...like literally who or what else could they be appealing to.
This may have been me cause I've said this a lot of times in the past. Think it may have been with FFXV.
Demoskinos
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And like I said people make bad assumptions so there is really zero value continuing a discussion about it.
Drillary Clinton
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I'll take Lisa in her most pure form. Get this jabroni away from me.
SoulUnison
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To be fair, that's not Marie Rose's original costume. Her original costume is gothic lolita.
Use this to judge what age she's supposed to be.
Yeah... that just makes me think, like "japanese pop idol," so I'm sticking with my estimation of, like, 15/16.
Also, those shoes are super tall and she still seems super short. She's got the height and proportions of a young teenager.
Shortest person in the series (around 4'10", IIRC).
So you're of the opinion that adults do in fact wear toddler clothes / swimwear and you believe Marie Rose acts as an adult the same way Kasumi does (they're almost the same age). Lol okay.
Turbanator
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Way too many people inferring things about my "legitimate fighter" comment.
I didn't imply it was or wasn't. I was just saying that people who try to prove it is tend to be drowned out by those who set the impression that it isn't.
I didn't imply it was or wasn't. I was just saying that people who try to prove it is tend to be drowned out by those who set the impression that it isn't.
DR2K
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Considering you just got drowned out, I guess you won't factor this in your narrative going forward.
SoulUnison
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Yes exactly lol. I'll be honest though I really ony realized that she's a mash up after this thread. Whenever I see the moves though I think of actual martial arts, capoera, etc., so I guess that's why. And yeah it works well imo. I like the concept of a self taught fighter learning from various types of fighting styles. She is really fun to play, but the realization of her moveset basically being made up of re-used moves is a bit of a bummer.
It is? I agree with you about everything else, but the op. It's brief (except for the gifs), but I thought made it clear as to why I thought she was so dope.
Turbanator
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If you're gonna try and meme me, at least say something about agendas.
Black Republican
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fuck all dem bitches, all hail Helena
So i've learned :/
I still like the concept of her character, but the re-used stuff is pretty lame.
ChamplooJones
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Great fighting game, bland character.
Sad cuz our girl Rinachan does the voice.
Sad cuz our girl Rinachan does the voice.
Crossing Eden
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She's a schoolgirl with a side ponytail...
This. I love DoA but this is the laziest and worst cash grab they've ever done.
-People love Marie, let's make a DLC character with her face
-People love DoA girl's breasts, let's give her the biggest breasts and make her cow-themed to draw attention to them
-Shit we don't want to do new animations, just give her each character's coolest moves
-Eh, we can imply she's related to Raidou or some shit, we're not actually going to write her into the story
-Let's pretend her introduction had nothing to do with our plans for DoAX3 and showing off the soft engine
Garbage character, and all I can see whenever she does anything is the other 'real' character whose animations she's aping at that time. I do kind of like her silly music theme though.
Also, she has the WORST swimsuits in DoAX3. They're all asymmetrical garbage, dammit.
Indeed. Christie and Helena are the patrician choices, or if you're on a losing streak and need someone easy to play, Hitomi. Hitomi has some of the best costumes in DoA5, the best being her jester outfit.
So your'e saying I like schoolgirls?
Turbanator
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Helena, Momiji, and Hitomi are cool, but Ayane rocks.
Though it's weird because I kinda visualize her with a small or flat chest, but IIRC, she has the largest bust of any of the ninjas.
Though it's weird because I kinda visualize her with a small or flat chest, but IIRC, she has the largest bust of any of the ninjas.
Crossing Eden
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I'm saying she's specifically design to appear and act eerily young. Which is kinda why the entire schoolgirl fetish exists in the first place.
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