family_guy
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They should just go the monthly subscription fee route provided they also have the content to back it up.
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Bungie doesn't do mobile games.
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Bungie doesn't do mobile games.
That pile of slides explains everything, literally everything, you're just taking that so much to heart that you can't understand how can they choose a worse solution. That's dictated by a budget, a workforce, changes to software that take time, money and resources. If you only want to say "yo they cheap out" it's ok, the answer is more complex than that.
You can bet that even having more budget, they will still use the same solution, why? cause if that budget is more useful to improve other parts of the game they'll do it.
No.Only in cynical hyperbolic gamer outrage land.
For being touted as one of the best studios ever, it should be easy to understand where people's disappointments are coming from.As a fan, the presentation was solid and hit key improvements. No one experienced with Bungie's games since Halo was expecting dedicated servers or 60fps. Hoping, not expecting. People have unreasonable expectations about design. Not all projects are equal, not all developers are equal, and making good games is a fucking hard thing.
Why aren't they making mobile games, then?
Those numbers mean jack if you dont break them down.
If you look at the reports you`ll see that they generate more revenue from mobile games than from Destiny.
So how many times you want to change your goalposts and arguments before settling on one?
All this jumping around makes a person dizzy.
Not Activision, Bungie. Why leave Microsoft, why make a deal with Activision, why put so much on the line when they could have self-published hundreds of mobile games in the same time? It's not solely about profit for them. It wouldn't be enough motivation to make the things they make, to take the risks they took....What? What is the point you're trying to make here?
Activision makes mobile games, and makes money off them.
Being disappointed and saying they did it because they are greedy, lazy bastards are two very different things.No.
For being touted as one of the best studios ever, it should be easy to understand where people's disappointments are coming from.
Destiny is a mega hit backed by the extensive wallet of Activision, but they can't give us dedicated servers. Okay.. Guess I can't be disappointed by that unless I live in Cynical Hyperbolic Gamer Outrage Land lol.
Not Activision, Bungie. Why leave Microsoft, why make a deal with Activision, why put so much on the line when they could have self-published hundreds of mobile games in the same time? It's not solely about profit for them. It wouldn't be enough motivation to make the things they make, to take the risks they took.
Being disappointed and saying they did it because they are greedy, lazy bastards are two very different things.
Because Luke knows full well that many in the Destiny community, especially competitive, have been asking for dedicated servers. So let's say Activision didn't allow it; he can't explicitly state that. If they just didn't want to, then the fan base would​ be beyond pissed. Either way, his answer will not be satisfactory.They sound REALLY uncomfortable answering that.
Not really.Being disappointed and saying they did it because they are greedy, lazy bastards are two very different things.
Haha I love this. He became everything he hated during his 1up days..1UP Luke Smith steps through a time vortex and spits in Bungie Luke Smith's face.
Yes they are, good thing I wasn't saying that. At all.Being disappointed and saying they did it because they are greedy, lazy bastards are two very different things.
Yeah lol, what a leap.And now we're to the phase where you just make crap up. Literally nobody is saying that. Try again.
I didn't say you were. But apparently I need to study capitalism more. I'm out.Yes they are, good thing I wasn't saying that. At all.
Yeah lol, what a leap.
If I gave you a budget to build a house, and you didn't choose to build top-of-the-line fixtures in the kitchen/baths, would that be a decision made by greed? They're objectively better, but they have prohibitive costs for the benefit they provide.Not really.
The only reason they did it per the interview is that they didn't feel it was a good investment.
Dedicated servers are better. Period. So it's about money.....which is fine, but it's still greed.
Probably quite a lot. Most other popular shooters do it though. Their pals at Blizzard do it. This was the perfect time for Bungie to fucking finally figure it out as well.Guys, how much can cost put dedicated servers for millons of users? Real question; i don't have a clue.
Really though, no clue how you got that either. I get 5-6ms ping consistently in Overwatch and CS:GO. I get 60-70ms ping in TF2 on average. Characters stuttering around the map every three or four games. Tons of rubber banding no matter where I set my server location.
Wealthy companies dont spread their riches across all their divisions and usually keep on investing in the most profitable one. Again, I would have loved to see 60fps / dedicated servers and what not, but the demand is just not big enough for them to justify that investment for this game. That sucks if that makes you not want to get the game, but thats your perogative.
Probably quite a lot. Most other popular shooters do it though. Their pals at Blizzard do it. This was the perfect time for Bungie to fucking finally figure it out as well.
Give me a break dude. Workforce, time and resources all in the end translate into money anyway.
And don't act like running Crucible or really any of their game on dedicated servers is some huge massive undertaking. Hell they could keep their existing infrastructure and just swap out player hosts with dedicated servers as their 'physics host' even if it is kind of silly to keep them separate from the 'activity host' at that point.
In the grand scheme of 'man-hours' implementing dedicated servers is borderline nothing.
Again, if it's that easy, then go to bungie and explain them.
Actually this isn't quite true. Sometimes a division will keep other sectors afloat during a down period. Really depends on circumstance and industry.
I would love to work for Bungie. Very cool people there.
"They made the game worse on purpose to make more money!" is considered a reasonable opinion on game forums. Be better, NeoGAF.
They should just go the monthly subscription fee route provided they also have the content to back it up.
Its that easy that a team at my games degree in uni hooked their game into the Steam dedicated servers with relative ease. With how prolific dedicated hosting has become its a no brainer for getting one into your game, unless you are super lazy and just want to trust that P2P "works" enough for your game.
I guess they determined that paying you was more cost effective than paying for servers.
You are seriously comparing that with a AAA title? seriously?
Prolific dedicated hosting? WHAT? Nobody in here has lived through the mess that was BF3 and BF4, clearly. EA went as far taking as full control of where to host a server with BF1 and kill any other third party cause they wanted to minimize people complaining about shit servers.
And guess what, they're still shit. So much for dedicated hosting.
However bad you think it is in Battlefield it is still infinitely better than the P2P shitshow in Destiny's crucible or Gears 1 and 2
It's not, if they work like shit, they work like shit, they're just as bad as P2P in practice. And that's because it depends on what the hell you're trying to host in the server itself, i've said it countless of times, they are not the holy grail to fix everything.
Probably gutting dedicated servers on a big game so it doesn't look as bad when they do it for their other games/smaller games.
Not sure how I feel about the local hosts but hope the connection is decent at least. Living in Australia has its downsides in regards to internet connections for games :|
1UP Luke Smith steps through a time vortex and spits in Bungie Luke Smith's face.
Haha, that video was uncomfortable. You can see the guy on the left blue-screen after the question is asked. I actually don't really care as long as it works well, but that reply was poorly handled.
The...the parameters. Yes, parameters. Rechange. Refocus. Make Destiny great again. It'll be tremendous.