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Bush: Weve Never Been Stay The Course
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Tommie Hu$tle
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Simply amazing. If this guy gets a pass on this one I will freely admit that he is the greatest president we have ever had.
To do a total 180 and no one challenge him is a sign of true power.
To do a total 180 and no one challenge him is a sign of true power.
Tommie Hu$tle said:
Lets be more accurate here.
He'll simply be known as the man to have presided over the most inconsistent, most blindly and dangerously patriotic and jingoistic half of americans.
And the woe is he'll be out of office when the bombs start landing.
Hopefully, he'll be the first and only person they land on though.
nelsonroyale
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I can neer get over how ridiculously stupid bush seems...the last shall be first and the first shall be last I suppose....that where governments seemd to be going intellectually at this point
peace
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SteveMeister
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Pimpwerx said:You liberals try exercising revisionist history at every turn. We never accused Saddam of having WMDs, we never said we were gonna catch Bin Laden, and we never said we were gonna stay the course. Those previous quotes were all taken out of context...as is the video and audio footage. I claim the R. Kelly defense on that one. The vast left-wing conspiracy photoshopped Bush onto that aircraft carrier and into those press conferences.PEACE.
That must be it
nelsonroyale
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APF said:
oh hell, reagan? slim pickings recently I suppose....;but what about jefferson, Jackson and LIncoln......
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Pikelet said:
Of course if you want to play it that way, it's fair to say, what he's trying to do is trying to surreptitiously absolve himself of previous 'stay the course' comments, while commenting inside the context of this 'tactics' question.
In either case (purposefully or just stupidly), it high lights him once again as an incompetent president, stateman and politician that would have NEVER, not in a thousand million years, been made president HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR the fact he shares the same name as his father, an ex president of the united states.
nelsonroyale
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Pimpwerx said:You liberals try exercising revisionist history at every turn. We never accused Saddam of having WMDs, we never said we were gonna catch Bin Laden, and we never said we were gonna stay the course. Those previous quotes were all taken out of context...as is the video and audio footage. I claim the R. Kelly defense on that one. The vast left-wing conspiracy photoshopped Bush onto that aircraft carrier and into those press conferences.
hahaha, thats sound like sarcasm....nice if true.......gah, almost got me, and Im very used to that stuff
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Boogie said:
you must be liked by a mod, I see others banned for 'debating' in this fashion.
DCharlie
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it's weird - whilst the british always have people you could describe as "cockrags" as our leaders, it's very VERY rare we have someone who is an out and out f*cking idiot behind the wheel.
They wouldn't last 5 minutes, the press would kill them, and they'd get destroyed at 'question time' and christ, people like Paxman wouldn't just rip them a new anus, they'd be providing meters of new intestine as well...
They wouldn't last 5 minutes, the press would kill them, and they'd get destroyed at 'question time' and christ, people like Paxman wouldn't just rip them a new anus, they'd be providing meters of new intestine as well...
Systems_id
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"If G.W. Bush invaded your country would you A) stand and fight knowing you'd lose or B) move the hell out the way?"Pimpwerx said:You liberals try exercising revisionist history at every turn. We never accused Saddam of having WMDs, we never said we were gonna catch Bin Laden, and we never said we were gonna stay the course. Those previous quotes were all taken out of context...as is the video and audio footage. I claim the R. Kelly defense on that one. The vast left-wing conspiracy photoshopped Bush onto that aircraft carrier and into those press conferences.
"Stay the course" is a completely brain-dead expression in the first place, voicing the exact opposite of a strategy; I'm not sure why any of his speechwriters allowed him to say it, especially when it ties so closely to his father's rhetoric (so popularly mocked by Dana Carvey on SNL back in the day). Still, there's hardly anything wrong with saying that phrase, nor is there any real conflict between what he's saying here and what has consistently been behind his general talk about the war for a while now (as other people in this thread have suggested). Sure it's a "gotcha," but a meaningless one, IMO.
OG_Original Gamer
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Pikelet said:
Well, I just suggest you stay the course, Heh, heh, heh.....heh, heh! Thanks for spinning the lies for me son, Heh heh........heh, heh.
SteveMeister
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castle007 said:
Fear. A weak Democratic opponent. Ignorance. Apathy.
OG_Original Gamer
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APF said:
Heh, heh....... thats right, you scratch my back..........and I.... uh, uh...if it itches.
bob_arctor
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Forceatowulf
G***n S**n*bi
I'm sorry to be off topic but where the hell is this from?
Gollum? Are you trying to provide a commentary on how Bush Administration opponents have become so obsessed with the President that their single-minded obsession has manifested itself physically on thier person? But the Washington Post literally swoons at the physical beauty of the Democrats' offerings this election...OG_Original Gamer said:
Learn2read
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Forceatowulf said:I'm sorry to be off topic but where the hell is this from?
Season 4 of the funniest TV show I've ever seen.
Plenty of youtube clips if you're interested.
OG_Original Gamer
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APF said:
Gollum....Huh. Who is that......did he cut and run, couldn't handle the ring of power.....Heh...only the republicans can.
SteveMeister said:
See... the thing is... I think the republican propoganda/partisanship machine has manufacturered a situation in which their opponents have been ground to dust...
if you read that rolling stone article on the senate; it's evident that the democrats in government have faced a beating (not pollwise... but power and effectuality wise... the things that they need to do anything as politicians) unlike any they've ever faced before... unlike any that any group in government has faced before... and it's far from entirely their fault... when the straight red government plays fiercely into partisanship... essentially hijacking the process of government; the willingness for fair play, and bipartisanship that HAD existed for decades until the Bushies came into power... in favour of greed, corruption, partisanship and laziness... it becomes extremely difficult when so effectively neutered, to keep any semblance of morale up.
And the neocons want it that way. And they want people to think that the democrats are weak... even though it's not emphasized that, they've essentially been bullied into such a position (who would emphasize it? It doesn't even sound like a good defense. But it is the truth). Because all of that... it plays into their agenda of fear.
It doesn't matter how they perform... they don't need to perform, as long as they can keep Americans under a pall of fear and ignorance... they can keep repeating their party line: Stay the course.
Now that things have changed fundamentally against their favour... they're trying to spin... spin, lie, flip flop. Disassociate themselves from the last 6 years of utter failure. As long as they can keep Americans asleep... unaware... redirect their attention and hope for short short memories... they still have a chance.
The neo-con propaganda machine has been far too effective... but the results of their rule have also become far too obvious. Wake up Americans. Wake up and smell the shit. And realise for a moment, it's not the kind that's going to grow roses.
The Chosen One
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I think the latest spin will last as about as long as the ill-fated, "Islamic Fascist".
But it is funny seeing the White House in full panic mode trying to show they have some kind of strategy and feign flexibility when they've been as flexible as a geriatric 85 year-old. It's so funny how they're now basically proposing timetables, but they call it "milestones". Pretty soon they'll suggest "redeployment", but they call it "Protecting Freedom from the perimeter".
With that said, the question is whether a good size of the electorate will fall for their spin hook line and sinker once again. Maybe, but mindless Republicans candidates like George Allen who have basically regurgitated the White House's talking points of "Stay the Course" in numerous speeches and debates are basically stuck twisting in the wind the final few weeks. It's too late for them to try to redefine "Stay the Course", it will just give their opponents more fodder for attack ads.
But it is funny seeing the White House in full panic mode trying to show they have some kind of strategy and feign flexibility when they've been as flexible as a geriatric 85 year-old. It's so funny how they're now basically proposing timetables, but they call it "milestones". Pretty soon they'll suggest "redeployment", but they call it "Protecting Freedom from the perimeter".
With that said, the question is whether a good size of the electorate will fall for their spin hook line and sinker once again. Maybe, but mindless Republicans candidates like George Allen who have basically regurgitated the White House's talking points of "Stay the Course" in numerous speeches and debates are basically stuck twisting in the wind the final few weeks. It's too late for them to try to redefine "Stay the Course", it will just give their opponents more fodder for attack ads.
Forceatowulf
G***n S**n*bi
I would like a youtube clip of this scene very much.mamacint said:
bob_arctor
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The Chosen One said:
:lol "We're moving the fight a little bit over there so they won't fight us over here."
I don't believe Bush policy has ever said they refuse to consider other opinions and/or strategies. And I feel like they've been pretty consistent about defining the "course" in "stay the course" as the goal of an democratic Iraq that can manage it's security independently.
LegendofJoe
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Zaptruder said:
Amen brother. That's what I've been saying ever since the Republican primary in 1999 and 2000 when he was facing off against McCain. Argue all you want about whether you personally like McCain or not, but he would have been an infinitely better president than daddy's boy junior has been.
bob_arctor
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140.85 said:
Bush has a policy? And he can actually define something??
bob_arctor
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APF said:
Yup. Pretty much. That's the point we are at now. I make no apologies for any of it. It's much too late for that. The man is a joke, he's full of shit all the time, and he should basically just shut the fukk up, really.
SteveMeister
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140.85 said:
So what you're saying is, every time Bush said that we need to "stay the course," he really meant we should "stay the course," not "stay the course." I think I understand now.
Learn2read
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140.85 said:
APF said:
Wow, I thought I had found the un-spinable. APF even ups the ante by claiming that facts are on his side! Hats off to you good sir!
Learn2read
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140.85 said:
That's not the argument Bush made. He hammered "stay the course" into our heads until it's a phrase that will always be associated with his Iraq policy (or lack thereof). He didn't try to spin to try and make us believe he really meant something different at the time. He argument was that of a 5-year old "No I didn't....I DIDN'T....I"M TELLING CHENEY!!!"
Are you implying that the administration has always been open to constructive contriticism and unafraid to change policy? That they would rather admit mistakes and improve the situation rather than let things continue on a downward spiral
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