mullet2000
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X800d and KS8000 are both great for the respective price ranges.
I'd recommend the x800d wholeheartedly of someone wanted a 40ish inch TV. If someone wanted 50ish+, KS8000 all the way.
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Buyer Beware: Buying a Sony 4K TV for you 4K gaming needs; Adds Incredible Lag
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X800d and KS8000 are both great for the respective price ranges.
I'd recommend the x800d wholeheartedly of someone wanted a 40ish inch TV. If someone wanted 50ish+, KS8000 all the way.
Unknown?
Member
Oh I see on their forums. Well it's not being suppressed here so and the information is already here so I don't see why you had to go warrior status. This is info many of us who actually care know.
Ashler
Member
Yeah, I went for the 55" ks8000.
I had an old Sony 720p bravia that I would specifically play street fighter on because my current Panasonic had a delay I would notice. I just want to know so I can get a TV with lower input lag while still having the bells and whistles.
Yep. Same here. Notice no difference in any game so far. Only thing I've noticed is that Xbox one s can run 12-bit rgb without any problems. Ps4pro flickers like mad using rgb. Gears looks and plays great in HDR on the B6, as does every other game.
AtomicShroom
Member
Input Lag has got to be the shittiest thing to ever happen to TVs.
Boy do I miss the times when you didn't have to EVER factor this in the buying of a TV.
How the fuck is it not possible to bring this down below 10ms?! What would need to be in there for this to happen? Faster processors? More memory? What?
How could TVs from the 1960's have ZERO input lag and in two thousand fucking sixteen, we can't even get this right?
Boy do I miss the times when you didn't have to EVER factor this in the buying of a TV.
How the fuck is it not possible to bring this down below 10ms?! What would need to be in there for this to happen? Faster processors? More memory? What?
How could TVs from the 1960's have ZERO input lag and in two thousand fucking sixteen, we can't even get this right?
Well I assumed it would be good discussion here.
My intent wasnt to go "warrior status". It was more in response to people with the "nothing to see here attitude" or coming at me for making the thread. Perhaps it was all "Poe's Law" though
For the majority of people, those numbers are completely acceptable.
DeuceGamer
Member
Yea, I came into the thread worried that my new 49 X800D that was literally just delivered was a mistake and that the numbers I had researched were somehow wrong. Looks like there are no issues with some models and like you say, this is NOT just a Sony thing as most manufacturers have some issues with this on some models.
Because Sony also makes the PS4k so you would think they would have their shit together???
milkybar1983
Member
were these tests done with game mode switched on?
boredandlazy
Member
And the other 1/10 can happily avoid them like the plague. Considering how good Sony's TV's were in the 1080p 'generation' these results are highly disappointing. I haven't owned a Samsung TV for almost 10 years, and it's what I'm planning on buying when I upgrade to 4K.
dreamer3kx
Member
No way, you notice in a heartbeat how terrible it is, anyone.
Goose_Se7en
Banned
Seriously I don't know how folks can't tell between 30fps and 60fps that personally just boggles my mind.
On topic:
The OP is right. Considering that their last proper flagship 1080p sets back in 2013 the KDL-55W900a and KDL-55W802A had such low input lag in game mode -17 and 16.9 milliseconds if I recall correctly- their 2015 and 2016 sets have been completely atrocious. The millisecs posted in the OP are actually the numbers after the firmware upgrade.
I'm use to playing on my w802a and I can feel the lag when playing on a tv with high input lag. And those numbers are just way too high for my own liking.
And yes many folks who even notice and those are usually the folks who get the BF deals. For folks who do care and notice do your research.
I'll say this, especially during the past couple of days frequenting the "buying a 4K set for PS4K" thread, many folks on here have done little to no research on these tvs and so early on it's a complete and utter minefield out there.
People, do your research, take some time that way you can buy accordingly and get more bang for your buck. My friend out in Tennessee recently got a 70inch Vizio -E series I believe- for about $800 and thinks he got a steal. He got a dud. Don't be my friend out in Tennessee.
The lack of interdepartmental cooperation within Sony is astonishing tbh. As someone whose last 4 tvs have been Sony sets it sucked to realize that for this year Samsung was the way to go for the tv that I wanted and criteria I had set for myself.
Clearly somebody who has an excellent understanding of the "PS4K" and how "shit comes together" in relation to 4K/HDR.
2blackcats
Member
Are they not locking the threads because they are useing old outdated data from before the TVs were updated.
Is there a place to check input lag of older Sony TVs?
I have the Sony BRAVIA XBR46HX929. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004QX6E7K/?tag=neogaf0e-20 but it's the 55" which they don't have for sale any more I guess.
I have the Sony BRAVIA XBR46HX929. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004QX6E7K/?tag=neogaf0e-20 but it's the 55" which they don't have for sale any more I guess.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
OP's grossly misinformed. 33ms is perfectly fine.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
100ms is insanely noticeable TV lag, when you consider it's on top of already at least 100ms input lag from the console game itself. Try playing an FPS game with a motion flow enabled - motion interpolation in 1080p TVs usually produces about 100ms lag - then tell me you think that's not noticeable. It literally like, you move the right stick, waaait for it, ah there, it moved!
BlitzerRadic
Member
So lets say 35ms is acceptable and 59ms is not. What does that actually translate into real world missed frames? Also, it's interesting to note that 35ms is now thought to be good when a couple years ago it would be considered average when Sony was making TVs with <19ms
I honestly don't think it's that big of a deal. I tried one of those reaction time test things and my response time was well over 300ms.
Sony shouldn't be deleting posts but you are posting information that isn't really accurate as firmware upgrades have cut most of these #s. I can see why Sony would delete erroneous information.
Also, the lag on the x800d is among the best on the market, and the x850d really isn't bad.
Also, the lag on the x800d is among the best on the market, and the x850d really isn't bad.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
You'd think you were in a post about LG OLED's or something.
FullMetaltech
Member
Yeah I'm most likely getting one in March. Especially after CES.
You are the 3rd person to just skip right over the "How things should work" part
it matters in competitive, and fast pace game.
Remember that time E-40 was high at the baseball game. Yea its similar to that (not as bad though lol)
Well, at 60fps 1 frame is 16.6ms.
1fr = 16.6
2fr = 33.3
3fr = 50
4fr = 66.6
Some notice it, others either don't, or don't know why it feels like it does and assume its the game.
I've been playing a lot of Velocity2x the last week and something felt weird so I changed my old LG LM670t to game mode and everything was perfect again. I must have changed it for something.
When avforums reviewed it it was 45ms, but then a firmware update raised it to 68ms. I have no idea if that was changed in a later firmware.
They have come out guns blazing with a 4K, HDR focused console refresh so it's definitely valid to put a spotlight on their own TVs performance in that area.
DeuceGamer
Member
Think the title should be updated to say "Some adds incredible Lag". The X800D is among the best and what a lot of gaffers have recommended.
If the thread is truly to make buyers aware though, shouldn't we address that a lot of manufacturers have similar ratings and that some Sony models are among the best in their price range.
If the thread is truly to make buyers aware though, shouldn't we address that a lot of manufacturers have similar ratings and that some Sony models are among the best in their price range.
A Link to the Past
Banned
In that case, what is a good, relatively affordable 4K TV for gaming?
FlammableAce
Member
Sony are removing threads that point out these issues on their official forums
90+ page thread on the forums removed
http://community.sony.com/t5/4K-Ult...-Sony-2015-and-most-of-2016/m-p/603679#M14678
Second thread removed
https://community.sony.com/t5/4K-Ul...unacceptable-for-4K-gaming/m-p/603727#U603727
90+ page thread on the forums removed
http://community.sony.com/t5/4K-Ult...-Sony-2015-and-most-of-2016/m-p/603679#M14678
Second thread removed
https://community.sony.com/t5/4K-Ul...unacceptable-for-4K-gaming/m-p/603727#U603727
Again (4th time) the X800D is listed in the OP as an example of how things should work
Disagree Guy
Member
Ok so let me ask a question;
I plan on buying one of these TV's later tonight. Will I be affected by this lag?
Sony Bravia KD49XD8077
Sony KD49XD7004BU
LG 49" UH668v
For reference - 49" is the max I can fit in my current accomodation
I plan on buying one of these TV's later tonight. Will I be affected by this lag?
Sony Bravia KD49XD8077
Sony KD49XD7004BU
LG 49" UH668v
For reference - 49" is the max I can fit in my current accomodation
How big can thread titles be on 4K/HDR TVs?
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[B]Buyer Beware: 4K/HDR TVs Add Input Lag, Some Are Better Than Others But It's Certainly Not Related to a Particular Manufacturer.
Please Bear in Mind That Increased Input Lag Was Also an Issue When 1080p TVs Were Initially Available,
Perhaps it's Worth Waiting if You're Wanting to Game in 4K/HDR and Are Not Willing to Pay a Premium.
This is All Covered in Greater Accuracy in Numerous Other Threads on Here.[/B]All of the above.
I have an 850c and the input lag is negligible, it's a fantastic TV.
To be fair, exactly the same would happen on here if people kept creating identical threads with identical titles that intentionally contained misleading information, give it an hour or so for this one.
Yautja_Warrior
Member
After the latest patch my 55X8509C is perfectly playable at 4k with HDR when gaming, no major problems at all. It might not have the lowest input lag but for an older TV its surprisingly decent after the latest patch, much better than the 94ms it used to be.
From the RTINGS.com Review
From the RTINGS.com Review
To be fair, exactly the same would happen on here if people kept creating identical threads with identical titles that intentionally contained misleading information, give it an hour or so for this one.
The were deleting identical ones though. they deleted the OG one that was like 90+ pages long. I think they are calming down now since its being pointed out across other prominent forums
Jakartalado
Member
It's funny to see how Video Games dictates the new tecnology over TV companies.
Most of the stores in Brazil are promoting their TV's with high quality video game footage (Star Wars Battlefront is the more usual among all).
LG and Sony quickly moved their perspective over image quality to input response in a few weeks after the Xbox One S and PS4K (rumors) supporting HDR and 4K.
WE SHALL RULE THEM ALL!!!!
5 MS RESPONSE IN 4K HDR IT'S WHAT WE WANT!!!!
Most of the stores in Brazil are promoting their TV's with high quality video game footage (Star Wars Battlefront is the more usual among all).
LG and Sony quickly moved their perspective over image quality to input response in a few weeks after the Xbox One S and PS4K (rumors) supporting HDR and 4K.
WE SHALL RULE THEM ALL!!!!
5 MS RESPONSE IN 4K HDR IT'S WHAT WE WANT!!!!
Dingus? Well you've certainly strengthening your argument with each and every post that you make in this thread.Indeed I do dingus
Yup, and funny enough you would think you would have the presence of mind to make sure your flagship tv is the best option for your own console lol..
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
This is the main reason I'm holding off on a new TV for a year, even though I just bought a PS4 Pro.
After playing enough 2D shootemups, input-lag becomes really noticeable.
After playing enough 2D shootemups, input-lag becomes really noticeable.
Did it hold the same information that you've posted? If so, then maybe the original one was deleted simply because the information that you've included, as people keep showing you, is not what it claims due to being factually incorrect?