Town should be chasing scum too & now our reads have rot in exchange for killing a player generally agreed upon to be harmless in the immediacy
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Town should be chasing scum too & now our reads have rot in exchange for killing a player generally agreed upon to be harmless in the immediacy
Blargonaut
Banned
This is what I think. If you look at it math-wise, any case in which we don't kill Blargonaut is favorable to the Cultists. Right now, we're unlikely to lynch a cultist from a number point of view (also, if you lynch me, you're guaranteed a tourist kill anyhow). Let's look at it this way:
We lynch Blargonaut, cultists can't lynch, 2nd night kill happens regardless. This is 2 deaths, 1 is a known non-cult, and the 2nd night kill might get lucky, might not. Total deaths: 2, 1 guaranteed non-cult (blargonaut) dies.
We don't lynch blargonaut, cultists kill blargonaut, 2nd night kill happens. We have 3 deaths, 1 we control, blargonaut is dead (so we don't have the no cultists night power later), and 1 the 2nd night kill gets. Total deaths: 3, 1 guranteed non-cult member dies.
We don't lynch blargonaut, cultists kill someone else, 2nd night kill happens. Again, 3 deaths. At the start of day 3 we'll have at least 1 non-cult member dead (cultists ain't killing one of their own at night), 1 random chance from us, and 1 random chance from the 2nd night kill. Total deaths: 3, 1 guaranteed non-cult member dies.
I don't think we have enough information to make the extra night kill worth it. Unless we get REALLY lucky, and either we or the 2nd night killer grabs a cultist, we're getting in a disadvantage by not lynching blargonaut.
I'll bite, how so? This game is tuned around power roles, this isn't just a game of vanilla mafia where there is town and mafia and all town needs to do is sniff out the scum based on words alone. We need to take into account the power roles that are in play and why they ere put in. This is something put in that town can use, there is a reason it exists, it was placed on our side to offset something that cult has in their power arsenal. We were lucky to have the choice in our hands and not their hands. We can take the power now and have a little bit of a smaller player poll to deal with tomorrow when voting for scum or we can take a gamble on the bigger player pool now and be stagnated tomorrow when we kill Blarg instead. I'd rather go into tomorrow with the smaller player pool and discuss scum then. I have faith in our town (unconfirmed) killer.
Sure. It's day 2 and we've got one already. This gets us a night for power roles to do things, doesn't hurt us and makes it so we can hunt scum tomorrow without Blarg forcing himself into the conversation at every possible moment. Someone will probably die tonight still and this death isn't guaranteed to be a town person like it would be if the Cult was doing it.
At absolute worse this situation is entirely neutral.
Also, stop this crap. You don't get away calling people fucking idiots elsewhere on GAF and shouldn't get to here.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Remember to treat each other with respect... only I am above your bullshit, you chucklefucks.
I'll agree here, but I think we only really come out of this ahead if we don't have a mutually agreed upon target for tomorrow. We seem to have a lot of suspicions on possible cultists, which is good. But I still feel it's hard to adequately pressure people into talking if they know they aren't a prime target, as we saw today when we tried to question people.
Blargonaut
Banned
You're forgetting about Matt Attack flying the fuck off the island with me. That's an extra non-Cult "death":
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If the Cult is fucking smart they won't waste their night kill on killing known quantities like me and Matt Attack, when they could potentially be offing a Town power role if they somehow manage to get lucky again. I told you, it's only Day 2, early game, and there are still enough bodies in play for the odds to be that the Cult does not kill another Town power role tonight:
Don't lynch me: 3 possible Town deaths (1 lynch today, 2 tonight via Cult and/or 3rd party). A smart Cult won't kill me or Matt Attack tonight because we're already known quantities. It's only Day 2. By allowing this maximum of 3 deaths to occur, you PHYSICALLY lower the pool of suspects to 17. No speculation. Just hard death. Plus with me and Matt Attack as known quantities already, that CONFIRMED lowers the pool of suspects by Day 3 to 15, max.
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I know you're trying to save yourself with that line but yes, we should never go into the next day with a locked in person to kill. There will be a night kill tonight most likely, that is new information that needs to be analyzed before we can come to any type of real decision. It's also 4 more days of discussion without Blarg coming up every 10 seconds so that's even more evidence we can compile and process.
This game is a battle against temptation and people are biting every chance they get. The Blarg scenario created a safe haven for mafia to come out and infiltrate town without having to make read gambles. I know that now I have absolutely no direction for pursuing anybody. And jesus, town power roles. One of ours is dead. What side hasn't lost a power role?
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Werewolf Jones
Member
You can't just say things like this and make us think "Shit... He's right." Explain to us all how if you'd be so kind and don't say "I don't have to/need to."
No shit, even more reason why we shouldn't gamble with this other power that was hand delivered to us.
Blargonaut
Banned
Do you even math
While that is true in this case, I still think it's a policy we should try to enact going forward. We're a lot less powerful at negotiating if you take the threat of being lynched away, and having a choice between 1 of 2 people in the first 24 hours put us in a weaker spot for gathering information than we otherwise would have been. Cultists aren't likely to evict people we're leaning towards lynching ourselves anyways, we shouldn't be making their night decisions any easier.
Blargonaut
Banned
You're right, it was something I did purposely earlier though. I said it knowing that the cult wouldn't be allowed to kill tonight and as a way for our other night killer to show his or her true colors.
That's exactly why we should just get rid of him and be done with it.
I think your canned response for me explains it all perfectly. There's been no reason to take this day seriously if you are actually trying to win. Mafia as well. The idea that you can get mafia reads on someone when the topic of discussion is two players confirming each other as neutral is a joke. They're not even claiming to be threatening neutrals. I can say virtually anything I want. I can damn the town for making this mistake. I can burn the witch. It doesn't fucking matter. You can't get whether I'm town or not from that. We burned our reads alongside the witch.
Blargonaut
Banned
Blargonaut
Banned
You see that?
That's the fucking core
Where's your massive damage
HIT ME
That's the fucking core
Where's your massive damage
HIT ME
I originally agreed with this but some players dragged it out way too long and it's even being used in all it's useless glory to create arguments against me.
So what do you suggest? We move off Blarg and vote for someone else today and try to not make him the center of discussion tomorrow?
I'm all for going after an actual cult suspect today, but I just don't see us being able to get past Blarg tomorrow.
We already killed the final aeon and now this is just a fight against yu yevon.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
Blarg, you've gotta stop spammin' that message or else people are gonna want you gone just to shut ya up
And Darryl, I don't think you're suspicious but antagonizin' folks probably isn't the best way to get 'em to cooperate.
And Darryl, I don't think you're suspicious but antagonizin' folks probably isn't the best way to get 'em to cooperate.
Blargonaut
Banned
The people who want to shut me up are obvious Cultists or pro-Cult Neutrals. If they're Town, they're dumb Town.
Invalid response. You're not discrediting a single thing.
I'm actually ok with Blargonaut info dumping and theorycrafting. He's on death's doorstep right now, he might as well dump everything he can think of for us, gives us more data to sift through once his role is revealed. We'll also have 3 days each where we can't openly debate to think through it ourselves and analyze anything that might be useful to discuss on day 3. Dump away blargy!
You're right, yeah. Not a whole lot to do. I think I just woke up frustrated in the game.
He can info dump but we can't keep getting the same quoted text over and over again. I know I post a lot but this is actually spam now.
Werewolf Jones
Member
Thank you for your reply, it makes sense now. It's a bit late for anything now anyway considering the round ends in a few hours, Blarg won't ever give up until the end though.
Blargonaut
Banned
^LOOK AT THIS PETTINESS
LOOK AT IT
HE CAN'T FORM A CREDIBLE DEFENSE AGAINST MY CORE AND HE'S HAND-WAVING IT AWAY AS SPAM!
SORIAN, THE POSTEST WITH THE MOSTEST
YOU'RE IN MY BULLET HELL, AND I'M GOING TO KEEP YOU DODGING UNTIL YOU RAGE QUIT ME
LOOK AT IT
HE CAN'T FORM A CREDIBLE DEFENSE AGAINST MY CORE AND HE'S HAND-WAVING IT AWAY AS SPAM!
SORIAN, THE POSTEST WITH THE MOSTEST
YOU'RE IN MY BULLET HELL, AND I'M GOING TO KEEP YOU DODGING UNTIL YOU RAGE QUIT ME
I already posted my stance against your points and all you did was keep quoting the exact same thing over and over again. It turned into two people just trying to yell over each other. People can just go read the exchange, it was just you saying the exact same thing and me re-iterating the same points back. No reason to keep that flow going.
Blargonaut
Banned
So you're going to make them all go back and read everything again?
Quote it then. You're not afraid to post. You? You love posting.
Quote the response you say you made to my core:
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Blargonaut
Banned
I don't care how many times I have to re-iterate my points.
Either you all acknowledge me and my plan with words, or else acknowledge me with your votes. Agree with me, or kill me right now.
I have put forward a rational plan and you are all dismissing me as spam? You all just sitting back and ignoring me is a clear-cut pro-Cult move.
Either you all acknowledge me and my plan with words, or else acknowledge me with your votes. Agree with me, or kill me right now.
I have put forward a rational plan and you are all dismissing me as spam? You all just sitting back and ignoring me is a clear-cut pro-Cult move.
The question boils down to this:
If we lynch Blarg, we probably lose three people tonight, but we lose a distraction as well.
If we do not lynch Blarg, we probably lose two people, but probably spend tomorrow listening to Sorian and Blarg argue.
The other important question is: if we decided suddenly to save Blarg, are enough active players watching to override the vote?
If we lynch Blarg, we probably lose three people tonight, but we lose a distraction as well.
If we do not lynch Blarg, we probably lose two people, but probably spend tomorrow listening to Sorian and Blarg argue.
The other important question is: if we decided suddenly to save Blarg, are enough active players watching to override the vote?
Neuromancer
Member
Refresh my memory, who do you think we should lynch today?
That's a bold claim this late in the day. So you're saying you're our third party killer?
I think you will find the answer to be "anyone but me."
If this is true, we can't not lynch blargonaut today. If Darryl truly is the second night killer, I don't think the cult would leave him alive given the chance, we should lynch blargonaut so we can get 2 kills out of him instead of just 1. Granted there's not much proof, other than Darryl DID seem to want LP dead (he was one of the 2 votes on him at the end of Day 1).
Agreed, I'm a waste of his time which is too bad if he really goes through with it but letting Darryl get another kill in would prove his point.
Very funny, but we already had a witch. It was Fireblend, and a protective role.
Yea I'm being dramatic
True, I don't agree that you'd be the optimal night kill target honestly. Your playstyle is one that'll get killed off in mid-game if you ask me, you'll start getting too close to getting onto the cultists trail and you'll be offed then.
This is a good point, I forgot Fireblend's role name was the witch. I believe Darryl might have a destructive power though.
I'm really curious if the night kill was a one-off event. I guess we'll see on Day 3, but there is a possibility whoever killed LP had an ability that offered it as a 1-time event, rather than a continual threat.