I'm not even sure what you are saying I "quoted" or what "story" I told. I'm confused.
The "story" is not something that didn't happen - it was the Warsaw Ghetto uprising you mentioned. The problem is that it does not fit your narrative, just like most of those examples don't. It's a bit like a sleight of hand, you make people look that way because it's easy to empathize with how these people fought back, but no aspect of these scenarios actually support the gun ownership position. In these cases listed, the laws in regards to gun ownership had no relationship whatsoever with how these events turned out.
You can't just list an example in which someone had to fight back using guns as proof of the necessity of absolute gun ownership liberty if none of the facts actually support your case.
Yes, you are right...I do know I am not going to win an argument with statists...so I guess I am setting terms. Luckily outside of the utopian bubble, most people are not willing to surrender their human rights to some promise of safety.
It has nothing to do with statists or anti-statists. For example, I support extremely strict gun control because literally every available statistic says it makes people safer, full stop. Yet I support absolute liberty for drug legalization, because countries which have opened up their drug laws have seen incredible improvements. There is no statistic pr talking point for you except "what if some crazy conspiracy actually came true, I could shoot bullets at tanks and nuclear weapons and winz against the US government!!!111" in which you could argue otherwise. So in essence, you're willing to trade literally hundreds of thousands of innocent lives for a scenario which has almost no chance of occurring.
You'd make the worst gambler ever - trade an almost sure bet (true safety, as every country with strict gun control shows, and literally nearly all of them don't require revolutions for most of the years of their existence) for something that makes everyone infinitely more likely to die every second of every day but might, in some abstract 0.0000000000000001% chance, make you safer at some nebulous point in the future that you and I both know is never going to happen but is a convenient scapegoat for you avoiding simply saying "I want to own guns because I love them and believe ideology is a good exchange for practical laws."
I mean just look at how laughably off point you are. Utopian bubble? No, sir, you see I look at the world and actually follow what the facts show me. That means I know strict gun control indisputably makes you safer. That's not living in a Utopian bubble, that's understanding guns are incredibly dangerous and most people
do not deserve to own them. Not because they inherently should be deprived of liberty, but because most people genuinely do not have the appropriate level of understanding or training to own guns whilst also keeping those around them safe from them. As the United States demonstrates every fucking single day.
In any event, if people are that obsessed with keeping them, at the very least the government needs a complete registry of every gun and owner in this country, and should force everyone who desires a gun to complete a rigorous training program at your cost like some countries already do (with great success at reducing gun deaths, once again). That's the very
least of what we should be considering doing, because your "individual liberty" does not give you a right to make everyone less likely to hold onto their liberty, life
and happiness.
Horrific things happen, and most of them are at the hands of the state.
Oh dear christ. This is not only incredibly tone deaf considering what has just happened, but it does not even attempt to resolve the point raised. This is sheer ideology once again masquerading as a legitimate point.
I still want you to tell me that the Viet Minh, ANC, and the people of colonial Africa were "jerking off to gun porn" and would have been better off disarmed.
I already went over why this is a feeble attempt to defend your position by using the Warsaw Ghetto. If you like, I can go through each of these historic examples and deconstruct why they don't fit your narrative, but we'll just end up at the same exact place since they don't fit your friggin' narrative in the same way the Warsaw Ghetto one didn't.