Snowybreak
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I have worked directly with and counselled many young women who have attempted suicide, and I have never heard of this. And actually, a vertical slit down a vein isn't too painful. I'd know.
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Can we discuss the MRA documentary "The Red Pill"?
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I have worked directly with and counselled many young women who have attempted suicide, and I have never heard of this. And actually, a vertical slit down a vein isn't too painful. I'd know.
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Why people always use the incomplete box image ?
The fence is the pathriarcy
That is the endgame of feminism
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They are exactly the same.
I think that Mermaid Dog is a much better explanation name for Seals but I don't force people to use it. Hell, I don't even force people to call the pink Yoshi like nintendo character Birdetta and that is literally her canon prefered name since day one.
But my problem is that Seal reminds of the Kiss From a Rose singer and that Birdo reflecs the "what is your REAL name" transphobic shit that that trans people receive on a daily basis.
Your problem with feminism is that it looks too much like the word female. So, as someone who theoricaly also wants women to be equal to man, can't allow mankind to be feminist
Why people always use the incomplete box image ?
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[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/JQZtp9h.jpg[/IMG]The fence is the pathriarcy
That is the endgame of feminism
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They are exactly the same.
I think that Mermaid Dog is a much better explanation name for Seals but I don't force people to use it. Hell, I don't even force people to call the pink Yoshi like nintendo character Birdetta and that is literally her canon prefered name since day one.
But my problem is that Seal reminds of the Kiss From a Rose singer and that Birdo reflecs the "what is your REAL name" transphobic shit that that trans people receive on a daily basis.
Your problem with feminism is that it looks too much like the word female. So, as someone who theoricaly also wants women to be equal to man, can't allow mankind to be feminist
hey_monkey
Banned
So I'm trying to figure out how you can both be self-confessed "new to this stuff" - to the point that you throw a forum fit because people didn't produce links for you and do the extra work of answering you specifically instead of expecting you to pick up on evidence and positions in the thread - but feel totally comfortable attempting to debate as though you're speaking from a position of knowledge.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
I have a rather straightforward theory about that.
"I'm new to this and just asking questions" is the main Gamergate opening ploy.
Any bets on whether he runs off to reddit to report on his experiences trolling the SJWs?
Last_colossi
Member
How the hell did you interpret that from what I said?
I've been a Feminist since my early teens when I properly learnt what the word meant, since then I've had countless arguments defending it (especially with my brother growing up). I was simply pointing out that people shouldn't be thrown under the bus for using the word Egalitarianism and you've proved my point by doing just that.
I am talking about the WORD.
Egalitarianism "can't allow mankind to be feminist" because they want mankind to be egalitarianistic. Which is SIMPLY a change of word.
Since the dawn of men words are important and weirdly enough egalitarians always devote some manpower to say "why feminism" because it has something that reminds them of female.
I know that words are man-made but they also carry great power. Trust me, you are not the best man for the job of choosing to change it. Hell, not even Feminist's chairman (be it butler or whatever) can do that. It has a history.
So sure lets have a gentleman's agreement and keep using each our own words because I sure think we need more feminine words in our patriarcal society.
JesseEwiak
Member
Eglitarianism has become a dog whistle among various haters of modern feminism, including Christina Hoff Sommer.
Last_colossi
Member
That is actually very true, I didn't think of it that way. Sorry if I come off as aggressive, I'm just very defensive about my opinions even though most of the time I don't explain myself correctly.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
This.
I have been a fan of the word previously, as I consider it a core value of mine-- but it's been co-opted.
Darryl M R
Member
Just a reminder that feminism also tackles the issue you see in this tweet.
https://twitter.com/SquidGaming/status/860463569909030912
No need to join a toxic anti progressive moment because you were told "feminists are stupid."
https://twitter.com/SquidGaming/status/860463569909030912
No need to join a toxic anti progressive moment because you were told "feminists are stupid."
People do this for literally every topic. Just about everyone has an opinion and a Hardline stance on topics they don't know anything about, just very few actually admit it.
air jordans for dogs
Member
Holy fuck that piers morgan tweet makes me unreasonably mad
Alexander DeLarge
Member
This. After watching this documentary on Amazon Instant Video (it's free if you have Prime, at least in the US) I was curious what NeoGAF would think of it given her history and I found this thread. I'm shocked at how many people are dismissing her and her work because of how it was funded, produced and promoted by certain individuals.... And some people even dismiss it based on the name alone.
I think this documentary gave these people a fair hearing, something that is very rare within gender politics and that's all many of these people wanted. I certainly don't see what there was to justify cancelling the screenings, the petitions, the protests and the kind of vitriol I've seen thrown their way throughout producing and releasing the film. If men's issues are feminist issues, where are the feminists talking about paternity fraud and mothers literally adopting their child away from the father? Where is the funding for shelters for battered men and prostate cancer? Most importantly, where were the feminists promoting and backing the Kickstarter? To everyone concerned about the origins of this film, maybe the concern should be about the fact that an award winning documentary filmmaker couldn't make this movie without crowdfunding or committing to an agenda.
Cassie Jaye (the director) said:
This is still an ongoing controversy by the way http://www.news.com.au/entertainmen...w/news-story/e50bb42e45afc917fb6eddb116a79649
https://youtu.be/H5y-BZyOxDg
So since you are acknowledging that Philip Davies is a nasty piece of work, do you think the suggestion was made in good faith? Like, do you believe he had a real interest in presenting mens issues seriously or was he just trying to undermine the women's variation?
Because we certainly have no obligation to take seriously any suggestions from a person who is just taking a piss take, right?
Megalosaro
Banned
In terms of male issues, I wouldn't mind more attention being paid to stuff like male body issues like anorexia. Male anorexia is woefuly under studied and supported
lachesis
Member
Well, watched the movie a few days ago. Personally going through a divorce at the moment, and almost wept at what they had to say.
Used to call myself feminist, believing it's about all people's equality. After seeing the movie and how they oppose shared parenting and ending lifetime alimony, blocking free speech and all, I really don't like Feminism as political movement. (Also I do not like cultural Marxism in certain factions of Feminism, even though I am a registered Democrat) I am, definitely pro-nuclear family structure and religion. I do believe the western society is based on patriarchy but that's something that needs to be improvised, not engineered that goes against basic human nature and morality - not because of political correctness, which seems to be on the borderline of shackling one's own freedom these days.
Since I work in a mainstream media (one of those that Trumps calls "Fake News") and found myself literally oppressed actually to even bring any of this. Asked one guy at work whether he knew MRM or saw The Red Pill movie - He flat out told me "Oh they are the white male nationalists". And I thought he was pretty open-minded person. Even questioned myself, am I a closet Trump supporter? (Bernie was my first choice, but went with Clinton)
Many, even on this thread actually tie the movie to the Reddit group. Never been there - but I think it's good to differentiate them from actual MRA, who don't really get along with Reddit "Red Pill" group - just like they have generational arguments between feminists as well.
II've been at AVFM - one of the largest MRA sites - and MGTOW & some of their forums. I do have compassion with Men's right issues and they need to be addressed - but yes, I agree some of those forum members and what they blurt out have quite a bit of misogynist stuff, but I also seen much misandrist stuff on the other side as well.
In either case, their ideas, on both end - are very legit and all - but people who practice, and the organization (especially the case of Feminism) are rather disheartening, and realizing how much "feminism" under pc culture is all around to the point to oppress men to even voice their issues, I think it's quite shameful to admit.
So do I feel like to join MRA? Not really - but I'm actually thinking about going my way in the way of MGTOW. I had my chance in marriage, did more than the lion's share in and out of the house and child rearing. If I was guilty, it would be being too PC, nice and predictable like a clock-work, leaving my feminist wife wanting more excitement, which led to her affair & blindsiding me by initiating the divorce. One thing Feminists say that men work to gain power over women - which is totally false. My only reason working is to provide as much money as possible for my family.
But I do see MGTOW's point. It's really rigged game against men, as I'm now facing the family law. Luckily, I would get a joint custody and manageable child support amount most likely. I did best I could and I have no desire to try again in my mid 40s. Time to move on, be my own and do my best to raise my girl.
Although I am not a Christian or don't belong any religious group - I do believe in personal sacrifice. Exactly that's what I did during my marriage. I put myself for the well being of my family, while wife just couldn't sacrifice herself any longer as she said.
When the society doesn't value sacrifice - the future of "family" seem pretty grim, and I failed - and realizing that - is leading me to go with MGTOW.
Used to call myself feminist, believing it's about all people's equality. After seeing the movie and how they oppose shared parenting and ending lifetime alimony, blocking free speech and all, I really don't like Feminism as political movement. (Also I do not like cultural Marxism in certain factions of Feminism, even though I am a registered Democrat) I am, definitely pro-nuclear family structure and religion. I do believe the western society is based on patriarchy but that's something that needs to be improvised, not engineered that goes against basic human nature and morality - not because of political correctness, which seems to be on the borderline of shackling one's own freedom these days.
Since I work in a mainstream media (one of those that Trumps calls "Fake News") and found myself literally oppressed actually to even bring any of this. Asked one guy at work whether he knew MRM or saw The Red Pill movie - He flat out told me "Oh they are the white male nationalists". And I thought he was pretty open-minded person. Even questioned myself, am I a closet Trump supporter? (Bernie was my first choice, but went with Clinton)
Many, even on this thread actually tie the movie to the Reddit group. Never been there - but I think it's good to differentiate them from actual MRA, who don't really get along with Reddit "Red Pill" group - just like they have generational arguments between feminists as well.
II've been at AVFM - one of the largest MRA sites - and MGTOW & some of their forums. I do have compassion with Men's right issues and they need to be addressed - but yes, I agree some of those forum members and what they blurt out have quite a bit of misogynist stuff, but I also seen much misandrist stuff on the other side as well.
In either case, their ideas, on both end - are very legit and all - but people who practice, and the organization (especially the case of Feminism) are rather disheartening, and realizing how much "feminism" under pc culture is all around to the point to oppress men to even voice their issues, I think it's quite shameful to admit.
So do I feel like to join MRA? Not really - but I'm actually thinking about going my way in the way of MGTOW. I had my chance in marriage, did more than the lion's share in and out of the house and child rearing. If I was guilty, it would be being too PC, nice and predictable like a clock-work, leaving my feminist wife wanting more excitement, which led to her affair & blindsiding me by initiating the divorce. One thing Feminists say that men work to gain power over women - which is totally false. My only reason working is to provide as much money as possible for my family.
But I do see MGTOW's point. It's really rigged game against men, as I'm now facing the family law. Luckily, I would get a joint custody and manageable child support amount most likely. I did best I could and I have no desire to try again in my mid 40s. Time to move on, be my own and do my best to raise my girl.
Although I am not a Christian or don't belong any religious group - I do believe in personal sacrifice. Exactly that's what I did during my marriage. I put myself for the well being of my family, while wife just couldn't sacrifice herself any longer as she said.
When the society doesn't value sacrifice - the future of "family" seem pretty grim, and I failed - and realizing that - is leading me to go with MGTOW.
Messofanego
Banned
Where do people hang out in real life where they feel the game is stacked against men? Are there societies where men are shit on constantly without justifiable reasoning and it's just misandry everywhere? I just have never come across that reality, so I can't really understand where MRA or MGTOW people come from on that front. I get custody issues as something to take seriously, but that's about it. The rest just seems like anger at other people for issues they should sort out themselves.
When you don't deal with much (or comparably much) inequality, any that comes your way seems like a huge deal.
Banana Aeon
Member
Because people keep hearing that life is so easy for certain groups and then they wonder why it's not easy for that individual.
In other words, people too ignorant to see their privilege. White men have nothing against them. They have all the power in the world and people bow to appease them. And yet, it's still not enough.
Perfect.
I sympathize with your situation, I really do, but I feel the need to mention this.
Society's favoring of women over men as child rears, which gives them the moral edge in custody battles, is the result of neither the first, second or third wave Feminism, but historical patriarchy.
Our expectations of men to provide for the family is incarnated in modern family legal structure as child support. This is, again, rooted in patriarchy.
Men as providers. Women as caretakers. The "nuclear family". This is all the end result of centuries of patriarchal social structure. Feminists are not the cause of your sorrow; it is, and always was, the members of our own sex.
People like that man who was falsely accused of kidnapping a child? This is because the male sex is considered natural predators in society, and, indeed, we even celebrate it in our cultural obsession with masculine virility. But this is a double edged sword, and the same reason why men expect to be praised for their sexual prowess is also why they're mistrusted around children.
Female on male rape? Same deal. It's under-reported and underrepresented because, as men, we're expected to desire sex all the time, and thus cannot be forcibly coerced into sex. This is the unfortunate consequence of our vision of masculinity.
And this is what all those MRA/MGTOW/Incel types miss. The really big picture that encompasses everything from prehistory to the modern day. People like to joke that "feminists" blame everything on the "patriarchy" but if you look carefully at cause and effect, it's hard to find a modern social ill that is not rooted some way or another in it.
lachesis
Member
Well, cultural devaluation of men's lives over women and children, is actually all over to begin with. Suck it up like a man, because we live in a patriarchy society - but it's also a gynocentric society too.
And like you said, It's just anger at other people, and men should sort out themselves.. right? That pretty much sums up the society's attitude - Like domestic violence against man and gay/transgenders. Shared custody. High suicide rate of men and boys. Much higher incarceration and sentencing over same crime etc... yes. That's exactly the type of attitude why men just don't come out and express their suffering or asking help - because its our own fault and we should sort out ourselves.
Why exactly N.O.W. is against shared custody and revising unfair lifetime alimony, or why feminist group stop or death threatening someone for making a shelter for men who are the victims of domestic violence is quite beyond me. In Boko Haram, when thousands of men and boys were killed or burnt alive, they merely made a move - yet 300 school girls were kidnapped, whole Bring Girls Home stuff all over. Not that I'm endorsing the kidnapping and human trafficking, what about the lives of those boys who were burnt alive for just being in the school?
All of those things are covered in the movie The Red Pill. If you want to hear from the other side, I openly suggest to do so - as certainly the media (including the one I'm working at) won't cover it.
Alexander DeLarge
Member
These aren't a huge deal? Domestic violence, paternity fraud (if you're in France it's illegal to get a DNA test without a court order, there's a whole black market for this now), the amount of disparity seen in divorce courts leading to the ridiculous scenario of the mother adopting a child away from a willing father, genital mutilation, the ongoing mentality that men are disposable (go watch the segment I linked, pay attention to the numbers and how the press refers to boys and men). When men get fucked over in regards to their gender, they REALLY get fucked over and no one seems to care except for anyone who has been unfortunate enough to suffer through these kinds of horrific scenarios.
https://youtu.be/yJOlIm5_wGs
lachesis
Member
I appreciate for your sympathy - but the child custody law favoring women being primary care - is not historical patriarchy. It was initiated by a lady named Caroline Norton in 1800s - commonly known as tender years doctrine... and yes, way before 1st wave.
In patriarchy society - men got the sole primary position before then - Since western law has been based upon English law - same followed to the most of the western society.
That's one of the facts that many feminist - including the "big red" seem to be mis-informed about the custody laws...
just wanted to point out.
just wanted to point out.
I see, thank you for informing me.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
I appreciate for your sympathy - but the child custody law favoring women being primary care - is not historical patriarchy. It was initiated by a lady named Caroline Norton in 1800s - commonly known as tender years doctrine... and yes, way before 1st wave.
In patriarchy society - men got the sole primary position before then - Since western law has been based upon English law - same followed to the most of the western society.
That's one of the facts that many feminist - including the "big red" seem to be mis-informed about the custody laws...
just wanted to point out.
Who, in 1800, drafted, and passed such a law, and who voted those people into office?
Hint, it wasn't women, who couldn't even vote.
benicillin
Banned
Yeah but a woman who wanted to see her kids after she was divorced (since this was prior to women having any real property or custodial rights in marriage since men controlled everything) petitioned the court to have a chance at getting custody, so therefore this is all the fault of women.
She was also probably a witch. Heretic!
Child custody laws have been a swinging pendulum in the United States. Initially children were considered the sole property of the father (obviously, because women couldn't own property). So, if a husband decided to "get rid" of his wife for any reason, she was shit out of luck and never saw her children again. The "Tender Years Doctrine" was a response to that, which gave Judges discretion to allow mother's custody to young children under the age of 7. Basically, women had to invoke biology to get some minimal rights to young children.
It's since been replaced by the "Best Interest for the Child" Doctrine and joint custody is the norm, although women tend to be awarded primary physical custody more, because women tend to be the primary caretakers pre-divorce.
It's since been replaced by the "Best Interest for the Child" Doctrine and joint custody is the norm, although women tend to be awarded primary physical custody more, because women tend to be the primary caretakers pre-divorce.
IrishNinja
Member
some of y'all really think it's feminism's job to ride for men's issues
the venn diagram of people who think like this and support shit like #alllivesmatter must be a single point
the venn diagram of people who think like this and support shit like #alllivesmatter must be a single point
dantevsninjas
Member
"When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression."
MRA is just a bunch of disingenuous bullshit. They've done absolutley nothing to further the cause of issues facing men because they don't care about any of it. They just want a weapon to wield against feminism, which they hate because reasons.
lachesis
Member
They are against feminism for sure and some definitely do "hate". They do so because the feminist organizations such as N.O.W. actively block their agendas, such as reforming family law, help for domestic violence against men, and radical ones death threat them organizing the movement.
We don't see white or black men in bloody/bruised eyes often as victims of domestic violence, do we? Prostate cancer getting fraction of money & support compared to Breast Cancer, while the fatality level is pretty much the same?
If you want to set "default" not a default standard - it should start setting the category of itself, as it's not just paper issues for them. I wish, really, for everyone to have at least shred of compassion, but all these hostility and "oh you suffer, but I suffer more" attitude doesn't lead to anything...
MRA's don't give a shit about custody rights for men. If they did they'd actually focus on that and try and get something done. They just want to sit online and bitch about "women this" and "feminist that". Its fucking transparent and shallow what they're all about and its not mens rights but keeping women's down. Feminists will take action for women's rights, MRA's just make other people's lives Hell and bitch up a storm.
Sora the Cat
Member
Fuck me, I just did a search for that "Red Pill" Reddit. Are these people for real? The shit they write there is REALLY scary.
Damn.
Damn.
Someone has to try and get Pepe resurrected to use as propaganda.
I saw this post on SRD from MGTOW and absolutely lost it.
Don't look up the incel subreddits. There's some evil stuff on there.
lachesis
Member
This again. How can they do anything, if the feminist organizations are blocking them every move or conferences with bomb/death threats, shooting the family dog, illegally turn the fire alarm on to stop the conferece, etc?
Domestic violence issue for example, is legally based on Duluth Power & Control Wheel, which is made by Feminists and put into law. It "heavily" favors women, even though women are not the only victims of domestic violence. Chances are, if you are in a domestic quarrel, assuming you are a male - you are the one to get arrested and to get an record of domestic violence even if you are the victim. Why? Because it's the law, based upon Duluth Power & Control Wheel.
To Change the law, they have to debunk that feminist wheel. But Feminist organizations actively block that because they believe it's the truth and justice. If you think domestic violence is gender issue - that's fine. But they believe it's not a gender issue but "violence" issue.
It's like what comes first - egg or chicken...
I blame the MRA members for putting out their hate like that, and Feminist organizations and violent feminists for that. Hate only begets hate, really.
benicillin
Banned
This again. How can they do anything, if the feminist organizations are blocking them every move or conferences with bomb/death threats, shooting the family dog, illegally turn the fire alarm on to stop the conferece, etc?
Domestic violence issue for example, is legally based on Duluth Power & Control Wheel, which is made by Feminists and put into law. It "heavily" favors women, even though women are not the only victims of domestic violence. Chances are, if you are in a domestic quarrel, assuming you are a male - you are the one to get arrested and to get an record of domestic violence even if you are the victim. Why? Because it's the law, based upon Duluth Power & Control Wheel.
To Change the law, they have to debunk that feminist wheel. But Feminist organizations actively block that because they believe it's the truth and justice. If you think domestic violence is gender issue - that's fine. But they believe it's not a gender issue but "violence" issue.
It's like what comes first - egg or chicken...
I blame the MRA members for putting out their hate like that, and Feminist organizations and violent feminists for that. Hate only begets hate, really.
I highly encourage you to seek alternative sources of information if all the stuff you've posted in this thread so far are indicative of your beliefs. I've seen other posters recommend places like the Good Men Project before, or things like it.
dantevsninjas
Member
Where are you getting your information?
This. All you're doing in this thread is constructing one giant strawman.
Had no idea 90% of that happened, go figure
lachesis
Member
Here's an example of N.O.W. opposing a shared custody bill. (This one is NY one)
A00330 Summary:
Amd SS70 & 240, add S240-d, Dom Rel L
Establishes the presumption in matrimonial proceedings for awarding shared
parenting of minor children in the absence of an allegation that shared
parenting would be detrimental to the best interests of the child; establishes
an order of preference in awarding custody; defines shared parenting and
parenting plan.
And here's opposition from NOW, the largest feminist organization:
As court-ordered arrangements imposed upon embattled and embittered parents [joint custody] can only enhance family chaos . The National Organization for Women-New York State has always favored a primary caregiver (usually the mother) presumption to ensure stability and continuity of care for children . Fathers rights groups are in the forefront of the push for legislation establishing a presumption in favor of joint custody . Joint custody over the wishes of one parent facilitates using the children to maintain access and control over the other parents life.
as a divorcing dad who loves his daughter more than anything...
fuck this shit.
And no, I am not a while male who voted for Trump either. I am registered Democrat, Bernie supporter and voted for Hillary. And I do think this is pretty unfair move by NOW.
A00330 Summary:
Amd SS70 & 240, add S240-d, Dom Rel L
Establishes the presumption in matrimonial proceedings for awarding shared
parenting of minor children in the absence of an allegation that shared
parenting would be detrimental to the best interests of the child; establishes
an order of preference in awarding custody; defines shared parenting and
parenting plan.
And here's opposition from NOW, the largest feminist organization:
As court-ordered arrangements imposed upon embattled and embittered parents [joint custody] can only enhance family chaos . The National Organization for Women-New York State has always favored a primary caregiver (usually the mother) presumption to ensure stability and continuity of care for children . Fathers rights groups are in the forefront of the push for legislation establishing a presumption in favor of joint custody . Joint custody over the wishes of one parent facilitates using the children to maintain access and control over the other parents life.
as a divorcing dad who loves his daughter more than anything...
fuck this shit.
And no, I am not a while male who voted for Trump either. I am registered Democrat, Bernie supporter and voted for Hillary. And I do think this is pretty unfair move by NOW.
lachesis
Member
I do get the info from Good Men Project. I also go to other Feminist sites including Everyday Feminism, AVFM (not forums), also Wikipedia and search multiple sources for fact checking.
And as per death threats and shooting family dog - I am referring to Erin Pizzey, the first woman who set up domestic violence shelter for women in London back in 70s. Look her up what she had to go through.
lachesis
Member
and for the stopping conferences, pulling fire alarm and all - is actually filmed on "The Red Pill" documentary by Cassie Jaye, unfortunately.
benicillin
Banned
I'm sorry but if all you're going to do is regurgitate talking points from A Voice for Men then I don't think we're able to have a productive discussion.
PersonAndStuff
Member
The documentary has grown in popularity lately and is on the top spots of amazon, itunes and googleplay.
The feminist Cassie Jaye, who is an award winning documentary creator, is mostly known for her film "Daddy I do", about purity balls and other films about women's and LGBT rights. "The red pill" has already won several awards on it's own.
I have watched it today and I have to say it made me question a few of my beliefs.
First of all I have been a feminist for a good 20 years, not only do I obviously support equal rights, pay, treatment and opportunities for women but I am also a firm believer that socialized patriarchy is the source for many of today's gender problems and the harmful traditional gender roles that come with it.
The first third of the documentary deals with MRA activists and the issues they want to focus on. Things like the higher mortality of men in their traditional roles, higher suicide rate, worse treatment in custody cases and domestic violence.
All of these issues I was already aware of and I thought to myself "yeah, patriarchy did this, feminism deals with those as well, men need feminism". So I was surprised that these MRA in this documentary were not women hating traditionalists that wanted the status quo to go back 100 years and put women in the kitchen, but that they were trying to break up traditional gender roles as well.
But then I was surprised again, and honestly disappointed, that the feminists she interviewed for this did not only not recognize these issues but belittled and ridiculed them in a way that I usually associate with toxic masculinity.
This again made me think of several threads we lately had on GAF, which asked the question if you label yourself a feminist. And indeed the last words in the documentary from Cassie Jaye are that she no longer labels herself a feminist.
What I personally took away from this documentary is that both MRA and feminists want the same thing, to break up traditional genders roles that harm both genders, but they are disagreeing and arguing about silly semantics and prefer to fight each other.
No I wonder, was she duped? Was I duped? What is the definition of feminism? Is the way I believe in feminism wrong?
I know that GAF loves topics like that and always follow them closely so I wondered what other gaffers might think about this documentary.
There is definitely always been an element in the MRA that has dealt with actual men's issues. Stuff like the comedic way male rape is handled needs to be dealt with. Then there are those MRA who mostly just want to point out that occasionally a woman will lie about rape, almost like they're prepping for a trial.
This again. How can they do anything, if the feminist organizations are blocking them every move or conferences with bomb/death threats, shooting the family dog, illegally turn the fire alarm on to stop the conferece, etc?
Domestic violence issue for example, is legally based on Duluth Power & Control Wheel, which is made by Feminists and put into law. It "heavily" favors women, even though women are not the only victims of domestic violence. Chances are, if you are in a domestic quarrel, assuming you are a male - you are the one to get arrested and to get an record of domestic violence even if you are the victim. Why? Because it's the law, based upon Duluth Power & Control Wheel.
To Change the law, they have to debunk that feminist wheel. But Feminist organizations actively block that because they believe it's the truth and justice. If you think domestic violence is gender issue - that's fine. But they believe it's not a gender issue but "violence" issue.
It's like what comes first - egg or chicken...
I blame the MRA members for putting out their hate like that, and Feminist organizations and violent feminists for that. Hate only begets hate, really.
Or maybe they don't care about actual issues men face except to use them to shit on feminists.
Mossybrew
Banned
I have no idea what this is all about but it certainly isn't universal. I work in a probation department in Washington state and I see women charged with DV assaults all the time. That's anecdotal sure but it's the reality I see every day.
lachesis
Member
Fair enough, but unless you are willing to take a point from opposite point of view, how do you expect having a productive discussion? That's all I am saying.
I don't expect a productive discussion with MRA assholes. They aren't looking for one either and if that isn't obvious to you then I have little to say as well except for a guy who loves his daughter as much as you say you're certainly aligning with a group that will hate her and torment her if she ever speaks her mind.
lachesis
Member
And so says you about the entire group of people, full of hatred.
MRA and Feminism, really should be working "together" for solving their issues, in my point of view.