Flutta
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First time you are not making shit up. You guys are experts at imagining things since it's your slogan an all
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Can you imagine how beautiful the Wolverine game will be?
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Fart Knight
Al Pachinko, Konami President
It gonna be full of amazing rainbow colors
bitbydeath
Gold Member
Wasn’t it just Spider-man at night?No it won’t. Look at the initial Spider-Man 2 trailer reveal. It looked like they were going for a much darker, mature tone.
Game turned out to be the same Sunday morning cartoon like Spider-Man 1 was. Insomniac doesn’t have it in them to make a mature game. Or at least, they haven’t showed that at all.
StueyDuck
Member
I mean that's just a screenshot. The trailer showed both of them beating on a singular dude quite viciously, using the iron spider even then a scary voice from the shadows as a mysterious figure is lurking nearby. Literally ending on a horror flash of venom, cutting to a jet black spiderman logo.Wasn’t it just Spider-man at night?
They definitely sold a darker tone with the trailer
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Larxia
Member
Why do you keep talking about "mesh shaders"? People saw that in Alan Wake 2 and now it's the hype thing that has to be everywhere? RDR2 is still the best looking game out there and didn't use that, you can have amazing looking game without super specific techs.
I feel like people now really get too attached to specific names and stuff rather than just enjoying how pretty a game is.
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bitbydeath
Gold Member
I was referring to graphics, the tone for Wolverine is already confirmed to be gory.
Mister Wolf
Member
People saw Mesh Shaders in the UE5 demos long before Alan Wake 2. RDR 2 looks old as hell now and I'm currently playing it maxed on PC. Put it next to Alan Wake 2 or the UE5 demos and it looks dated. Hopefully Rockstar updated their engine to support them. Its also time for Rockstar to move on from baked lighting. The abrupt time of day transitions in RDR2 are jarring.
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sncvsrtoip
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Mesh shaders and raytraced gi are not necessary to have noticable jump in graphics (for example compare graphics in cutsenses to normal game, significal jump in quality without mesh shaders and changes in gi), especialy when they will target (I assume) more linear game.I don't expect a large graphical jump. Insomniac are about quantity for Sony. Their engine won't be using mesh shaders or raytraced lighting which are the two next gen tech features for this gen.
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Mister Wolf
Member
Well when you can show me a game thats not using them and has the high polygon environmental detail of Alan Wake 2 or the UE5 demos then I will believe you.
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StueyDuck
Member
But graphics nor gore equals dark and gritty. I wouldn't call MK1 or Dead island 2 dark or gritty and they have great graphics and gore
That is tone and they indeed tried to sell spiderman 2 as a darker in tone with its trailer.
I also don't think you are going to be getting much gore in wolverine either, they used pretty loosey goosey terms when describing violence in wolverine. I don't think that teaser trailer represents anything in the final product, it was a CG trailer after all. I expect much pandering to have taken place by the ones who have infiltrated
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Ev1L AuRoN
Member
The gameplay loop for a Wolverine game won't be that easy to pull off. I'm curious to see the Insomniac take on it. Graphically, I expect an evolution of what they delivered this gen, RT reflections and the same core technology. Assuming a PS5 Pro, they might implement RT shadows and/or RTAO. As for RTGI I'm skeptical with it, their bake GI solution is very good.
Laieon
Member
The finisher shown in the trailer is literally in the final game.
Venom ends the game looking like this, which is definitely "dark". Hell, there's entire mission where
you play as him and just slaughter anyone who gets in your way.
The "mysterious figure lurking nearby" is all prominent throughout the vast majority of the game.
I don't think the trailer promised anything that the game didn't deliver.
Kraven asks "someone to give me what I desire", Venom says "We will", and beat for beat that's exactly what happens in the game.
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Whatever it is...I'm in day one!
StueyDuck
Member
I never said the finisher isn't In the game.
I'm talking about the tone of the game. I am one of the 10% or whatever who has platinumed the game so you don't need to try and justify anything. What that trailer sold and what we got were two different things.
That mission hardly anyone gets slaughtered, literally only that one death at the end of that whole segment and even then they shy away from doing anything with it cause we had to go back to pandering straight away.
Spiderman 2 was like a wet dream of a San Franciscan 20 something that just pandered its way to success.
Literally nothing thematically about the game was dark or gritty.
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Larxia
Member
I'm not sure what to say, Alan Wake 2 really doesn't look special at all to me, just regular, especially for a linear game, I think RDR2 looks way better and more impressive.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
First time you are not making shit up. You guys are experts at imagining things since it's your slogan an all
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
I hope it has set levels and is not an open world game. That would likely make the game look even better.
Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
I’m legit worried that Logan will be played by a trans black deaf and blind girl at this point.
Insomniac games are quality but the agenda they have is in your face way too often.
I also suspect any female leads present will make MJ in spidey 2 look like a bane in comparison.
I’ll be the first to admit I was singing and praising Insomniac prior to Spider-Man 2 release, but the game just goes out of its way to hit you over the head with inclusion and other stupid shit that it begins to detract from the actual game.
Maybe a different part of insomniac will work on world building to not be like Spider-Man 2s.
I suspect the gameplay will be tip top, visuals aces, and will have a fantastic story. That is enough for me and if it’s riddled with crap in the side stuff I will just skip all of it.
Insomniac games are quality but the agenda they have is in your face way too often.
I also suspect any female leads present will make MJ in spidey 2 look like a bane in comparison.
I’ll be the first to admit I was singing and praising Insomniac prior to Spider-Man 2 release, but the game just goes out of its way to hit you over the head with inclusion and other stupid shit that it begins to detract from the actual game.
Maybe a different part of insomniac will work on world building to not be like Spider-Man 2s.
I suspect the gameplay will be tip top, visuals aces, and will have a fantastic story. That is enough for me and if it’s riddled with crap in the side stuff I will just skip all of it.
Punished Miku
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I'm kind of expecting something similar to God of War reboot. Behind the back camera up close with the z-target combat. Probably some stealth as well with brutal kill animations. I doubt it will be linear, but it will probably be wide linear at least.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
I’m cool with this.
Kiya's Guard
Member
It needs some proper gore tech, which I doubt. Who knows, maybe we get surprised
Chuck Berry
Gold Member
Oh I can imagine it alright
CAN'T. FUCKING. WAIT.
CAN'T. FUCKING. WAIT.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
mesh shaders will give you more performance but typically its 20% more performance. its not this huge game changing thing.
Starfield and Callisto Protocol have some really high quality assets id say on par with AW2. AW2 does have better lighting so maybe using mesh shaders allowed them to push other visual features.
overall though, i think insomniac CAN still use their ratchet engine and push the level of detail as long as they are willing to use the PS5 GPU to render higher level of detail assets, better lighting and other visuals effects instead of simply 8.2 million pixels to hit native 4k like they have all gen.
Hugare
Member
*Beautiful and Brave
I kid, it will probably be preety good
But I'm not 100% sure 'cause I reaaaally didnt like Spider-man 2 (loved 2018 and MM)
I'm Callisto's number 1 deffender on this forum, but it's far from the geometry complexity of AW 2, so is Starfield.
It's a very linear game with industrial spaces. It doesnt have lush forrests or the amount of trash seen in Alan's campaign in NY.
Even last gen consoles were able to run the game
And Starfield looks great due to art style, but technically its not doing anything impressive.
You get to an actual open field in Starfield, like a planet that you've just landed, and you'll see how starved the game is in terms of geometric detail
Mesh shaders is not only about quality, but quantity
I kid, it will probably be preety good
But I'm not 100% sure 'cause I reaaaally didnt like Spider-man 2 (loved 2018 and MM)
mesh shaders will give you more performance but typically its 20% more performance. its not this huge game changing thing.
Starfield and Callisto Protocol have some really high quality assets id say on par with AW2. AW2 does have better lighting so maybe using mesh shaders allowed them to push other visual features.
overall though, i think insomniac CAN still use their ratchet engine and push the level of detail as long as they are willing to use the PS5 GPU to render higher level of detail assets, better lighting and other visuals effects instead of simply 8.2 million pixels to hit native 4k like they have all gen.
I'm Callisto's number 1 deffender on this forum, but it's far from the geometry complexity of AW 2, so is Starfield.
It's a very linear game with industrial spaces. It doesnt have lush forrests or the amount of trash seen in Alan's campaign in NY.
Even last gen consoles were able to run the game
And Starfield looks great due to art style, but technically its not doing anything impressive.
You get to an actual open field in Starfield, like a planet that you've just landed, and you'll see how starved the game is in terms of geometric detail
Mesh shaders is not only about quality, but quantity
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HerjansEagleFeeder
Member
Can you imagine how innovative and creative the gameplay will be?
Chuck Berry
Gold Member
Ten bucks and my right nut says it'll be more stunning and brave than innovative and creative.
justiceiro
Marlboro: Other M
It's supposed to be gruesome, but what kind of sick fuck think gruesome is "beautiful"?
sankt-Antonio
:^)--?-<
I bet it will be paced in New York City, so they could reuse their assets for the fifth time.
MasterDerico
Member
If follows the same formula of those generic triple A with generic gameplay like Spiderman 2, will not be better than this;
Mister Wolf
Member
When that initial PS5 UE5 demo dropped it was the talk of the town with several arguments resulting in people getting banned. Now that the tech is finally being used it's like "that stuff is no big deal" because people's favorite developers aren't using it. Bullshit.
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Hugare
Member
Its wild that Sony 1st party devs arent using stuff like Primitive shaders yet
I hope that Sucker Punch next game or ND will upgrade their engines with these features, 'cause their games are probably the next ones in line.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
That’s ok, I found the rare leaked concept art for the game. It looks like the woke Insomniac writers are catering to Reeeee
Mister Wolf
Member
I got my money on Guerilla being the first to implement primitive shaders into their engine.
Puscifer
Member
Wolverine made out with Hercules, don't put it past them lol
Laieon
Member
As I said in my post, I completely disagree.
This is a game that, at the end of the day, was also going to be developed as a family friendly game; it's a Spider-Man game after all, so if you were looking for ultra violence and grim dark stuff, then you were just never going to get that. We got exactly what that trailer was selling. We got Venom, we got Kraven, we got two Spider-dudes, and we got a bunch of generic enemies being thrown around like ragdolls.
Oh I can imagine it alright
CAN'T. FUCKING. WAIT.
She's great! The Jump is a lot of fun.
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HighPoly
Banned
GUYS !
PS360 cgi in real time is something for PS6
I don't know if this current generation will make something so amazing...
But I hope to see amazing graphics with geometry and textures near to that PS360 cgi..
Well, maybe with 4x or 5x the PS5 Slim/Fat power we'll reach that Assassin's Creed Brotherhood cgi level!
I mean, i don't know if Assassins will touch that level, but maybe another linear game at the right time!
Take a look!
PS360 cgi in real time is something for PS6
I don't know if this current generation will make something so amazing...
But I hope to see amazing graphics with geometry and textures near to that PS360 cgi..
Well, maybe with 4x or 5x the PS5 Slim/Fat power we'll reach that Assassin's Creed Brotherhood cgi level!
I mean, i don't know if Assassins will touch that level, but maybe another linear game at the right time!
Take a look!
hyperbertha
Member
Wolverine games are usually awesome. They are mature rated ( atleast Wolverine origins was). I just don't think a woke pg13 studio like insomniac will do Wolverine justice. They will strip it off all masculinity and gore.
hyperbertha
Member
Without baked lighting they better have full ray traced gi. Abrupt day time transitions are still better than shitty raster graphics like the ac games.
hyperbertha
Member
You kidding? Fucking ac unity runs circles around rdr2. What a joke.
Larxia
Member
I really don't know what to say... Yes Unity had a great art direction and lighting, but RDR2 just looks so much better it's not even comparable. The scale, the level of detail, the geometry, the materials, the drawing distance, all the crazy little details everywhere, I don't see how you can think ac unity has better graphics.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Oh I can imagine it alright
CAN'T. FUCKING. WAIT.
