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Jaded Alyx said:
Can I shoot him/her first?
Why do Capcom insist on having these tag along twats.
I want to be alone in a scary place shooting zombies to save my life.
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Can I shoot him/her first?
Why do Capcom insist on having these tag along twats.
I want to be alone in a scary place shooting zombies to save my life.
The thing I never got with this gen and last is why do Nintendo fans always have to prove they want a certain game on their console.
I mean this gen has just been awful for the Wii, and don't even know why. It has a larger install base than the two other consoles combined, yet somehow people picked up on the success of Wii Sports more than Zelda or Red Steel as launch titles, and its been downhill since then.
The saddest part of the whole affair to me at least is very few games have even come close to the appeal of Wii Sports, but everyone is still fighting over that audience. When there is an entire audience starving for actual games, but instead the Wii is like the pet project to appease a few developers here and there. Yet games bomb all the time on 360 and PS3, but people continue to pour resources into it because that's what they know the audience wants.
I mean this gen has just been awful for the Wii, and don't even know why. It has a larger install base than the two other consoles combined, yet somehow people picked up on the success of Wii Sports more than Zelda or Red Steel as launch titles, and its been downhill since then.
The saddest part of the whole affair to me at least is very few games have even come close to the appeal of Wii Sports, but everyone is still fighting over that audience. When there is an entire audience starving for actual games, but instead the Wii is like the pet project to appease a few developers here and there. Yet games bomb all the time on 360 and PS3, but people continue to pour resources into it because that's what they know the audience wants.
Flachmatuch said:
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I hated the RE series till RE4. Hated. Detested. Thought it was worthless shit that I wouldn't have paid two pennies each segment to play. RE4 and RE4 Wii (the superior version) changed that. He didn't specifically state RE4 Wii was what he wanted - he said another RE4. Well, there is another one: It just happens to be on other systems.
I get that. But they're putting the mainline RE games where they feel they belong. You and I can point out RE4's sales on the Wii, we can express regret, but some people are getting out of hand making proclamations against Capcom that honestly go a bit far. The company doesn't agree with us - so what, they rarely do. I'm not saying people can't complain about this decision, I'm saying that some folks are needlessly blasting Capcom for the decisions they're making. And that's unnecessary.
I'm not suggesting he buy it. What I'm saying is, is that if he wants the RE4 experience - note, not the RE4 Wii one - than buying a 360 or PS3 to play the game makes a helluva lot of sense. Since that's where RE5 is. If he wants the RE4 Wii experience: Yeah, I think we're just shit out of luck on that and will have to keep with RE4 Wii a bit longer.
Mind you, I'm not suggesting that a person buy something he doesn't want. I would never do that. Anyone thinking these so-called 'tests' will eventually buy us something, however, are kidding themselves at this point. MH Tri might impact some decisions, but it's unlikely and it would have to do ridiculously well.
I'm aware that the market didn't respond to HD now. I'm fully aware and onboard with that. But as many have noted, this is one fucked-up generation. I think many of these companies, particularly ones like Capcom that are actually doing well enough during it, are simply trying to ride this one out and develop the tech they need for next-gen - where HD is the standard across all systems.
Changing strategy mid-stream is something I'd only recommend for companies that are truly bleeding to death.
Cow Mengde
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Same here. I'm glad I wasn't the only one. Even after being converted by RE4, I couldn't stand playing RE1 on the DS. It was still utter garbage.
Penguin said:
If you look at all the various sale charts the "Yet games bomb all the time on 360 and PS3, but people continue to pour resources into it because that's what they know the audience wants." doesn't hold up. Many games on PS3/360 sale well. If one looks at the charts, the main company that does well on the Wii is Nintendo and not many 3rd party companies. Or a company could say based on the sales record Wii owners want more simplified games. IMO with Nintendo reaching out to this new customer base has hurt games that would appeal to many hardcore gamers on GAF. Most of the games made on wii are made to attract the casual gamer not the hardcore gamer.
EmCeeGramr said:
You're just being a slave if you believe the trash that spews from developers/publisher's mouths. Wii owners have options even if it means going outside of the console to quell their needs and vice versa. Waiting for a company to "come around" is like a beaten spouse saying the same of their partner. Capcom spits that shit out because they know the Wii "core" userbase will buy it each and every time.
Buy the games you want on other platforms then!
The XBOX360 is dirt cheap at this point and well worth buying. If you are the type of gamer that enjoys traditional games ala RE5 I can't imagine you not enjoying a 360. It certainly has more to offer than the Wii in that area...
EmCeeGramr
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Why should I buy a console I don't want for a single game when I already own a console capable of playing a similar game?dark10x said:
"Buy another console" isn't a real answer.
Leon S. Kennedy
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dark10x said:
I've got a 360 and RE5. The controls suck ass compared to RE4 wii. Direct aiming is infinitely superior to analog stick aiming.
Edit: Beaten badly
Ha ha, yeah, I suppose I never did because RE5 was released and things took off.cvxfreak said:
I really enjoyed it. It was a fun ride that was surprisingly tough at times. The stories were all simplified, but I enjoyed how it focused directly on the characters. All of the unique attack possibilities offered to the player were nice (the knife actually felt really good). There is actually a lot of information here for the players to pour through as well. Oh, and I thought it looked really impressive for a Wii game and perfectly captured the look and feel of the two GC games (REmake and Zero).
My only real complaints were...
I thought head shots were a bit difficult to pull off and some of the faster creatures were annoying. I also wish you could disable the cursor ala HotD in order to achieve that lightgun feel. Lastly, while I enjoyed the slow bits the first time, they became annoying if you died and had to replay a section.
I suppose the one thing I really want to see in more gun shooters would be the cover system from Time Crisis. I just can't imagine why this isn't used more as it adds so much to the gameplay. I suppose it doesn't make that much sense here due to the slower pacing, but still...
*shrug*
Opinions are opinions, I suppose. I couldn't stand the controls in RE4 Wii and ended up switching to the GC pad halfway through. I think there was a lot of potential there, however, but the way the aiming was disconnected from the camera really drove me crazy. Waggle was horrible for things like reloading and using the knife as well (those actions work much better with the precision of buttons rather than emulating a button through hand motion). I also thought the reticle looked cheesy compared to the laser sight.
The Gamecube analog stick is damn good, though. Honestly, RE5 suffers a bit from the fact that neither the 360 nor the PS3 feature analog sticks as precise as that GC pad. I almost wish I could use a GC pad with RE5...
Your loss, then. I simply can't imagine that anyone interested in a game like RE5 would have no interest in any other game on the 360. Is it a money issue? If so, I could understand that. Anything else just seems like an excuse.
I'm obviously not a fan of the Wii, but I still own one in order to play the games released on that platform which I DO want. I'm not unhappy with the purchase either.
Arpharmd B
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dark10x said:
I couldn't agree more. I mean all this bitching, moaning, and crying. Over what? I just don't get it. If you don't like the games on your system, you sell it and get the system that has the games you want. You don't sit there and cry and sob and pray that they will release good games for your system.
Leon S. Kennedy
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Arpharmd B said:
We just fucking told you we have a 360 and PS3. Analog stick aiming sucks. We want direct aiming via wiimote.
Play the PC version with a mouse then? The mouse is so much more accurate, if that's your concern. I dunno what else to tell you. You would lose so much in porting it to the Wii!Leon S. Kennedy said:
Still, to be fair, I've often presented a similar argument from the side of HD gaming so I can fully understand your point of view. We simply place value in different areas. I can understand the frustration...
EmCeeGramr
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dark10x said:
Why port does it have to be a port of RE5? Why not just make a new game for Wii with RE4 gameplay?
EDIT: And I am interested in other 360 games; it's just a lot of its appeal is diminished by the fact that I already play a lot of games on my PC. I can't really see the point in spending a couple hundred dollars on it when that money could easily go towards several more PC/Wii/DS games. It's not the pointer aspect; I played the RE5 demo on a relative's 360 and really liked it (Sheva's AI was a bit bothersome, and the 360 stick wasn't as precise as the GC's, which threw me off) despite analog controls.
comedy bomb
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I love the pointer controls on Wii, but they aren't the be-all-end-all of aiming. I recently played through Half Life 2 on the original Xbox, and had no problems getting back into thumb stick aiming.
If I had the money I'd be all over a HD system, far too many great games to pass up.
If I had the money I'd be all over a HD system, far too many great games to pass up.
I dunno, would you complain if it was still clearly a low budget game? I mean, Dead Rising Chop Till You Drop IS based on the RE4 engine and shares many similarities. Would you be happy if they simply took RE4 enemy behavior and tossed into a random side story RE game with the same level of polish as DR?EmCeeGramr said:
Arpharmd B
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Regarding the thread in general.
Look at it from Capcoms point of view. They have nothing to gauge the Wii market on. RE4 sold ok, but that's hard to judge because it was a port of an old game. By the same token, Dead Rising CTYD sold utter shit. Umbrella Chronicles = ok.
Whereas all their big HD projects were smash successes. Dead Rising tested the 360. 1.5 million sales or something. Then Lost Planet. Now they maximize sales by going multiplatform. PS3 ports are easy because of Framework. It's working for them greatly.
A Wii port on the other hand, now you are looking at completely re-doing all the assets. That's a much bigger undertaking. They were able to squeeze Dead Rising into the RE4 engine... but I mean, good god, just look at the results. Squeezing RE5 onto the RE4 engine, if CTYD sales are any indication, is not worth it.
The Wii is just an entirely different market. So far they have little to show of what a core Resident Evil game would do. Making an entirely full-budget RE would be a huge risk for them.
I'm not saying there isn't an audience for this on Wii. I'm just saying that it might be relatively smaller than the audience that owns 360 or PS3. And yes I'm aware that Wii has way bigger install base, but call me crazy it might be just a slight different demographic that makes up the majority of that base.
Look at it from Capcoms point of view. They have nothing to gauge the Wii market on. RE4 sold ok, but that's hard to judge because it was a port of an old game. By the same token, Dead Rising CTYD sold utter shit. Umbrella Chronicles = ok.
Whereas all their big HD projects were smash successes. Dead Rising tested the 360. 1.5 million sales or something. Then Lost Planet. Now they maximize sales by going multiplatform. PS3 ports are easy because of Framework. It's working for them greatly.
A Wii port on the other hand, now you are looking at completely re-doing all the assets. That's a much bigger undertaking. They were able to squeeze Dead Rising into the RE4 engine... but I mean, good god, just look at the results. Squeezing RE5 onto the RE4 engine, if CTYD sales are any indication, is not worth it.
The Wii is just an entirely different market. So far they have little to show of what a core Resident Evil game would do. Making an entirely full-budget RE would be a huge risk for them.
I'm not saying there isn't an audience for this on Wii. I'm just saying that it might be relatively smaller than the audience that owns 360 or PS3. And yes I'm aware that Wii has way bigger install base, but call me crazy it might be just a slight different demographic that makes up the majority of that base.
I for one am really happy about this. I loved UC, love on rail shooters and if the improve on the formula and up the budget this could turn out great. There is just so much potential in the genere and areas qhere they could innovate and expand on.
I like what im reading about it too, to me where Umbrella Chronicles really shined was the fact that there was a huge amount of objects in the environments that where destructible, and havok engine here just means more interactivity. I like to hear here is more focus on horror/atmosphere. They do need to speed things up a bit, improve on the presentation and help immersion (which im sure actually seeing your 2nd character on screens goes a long way towards achieving). Hopefully this gets the time and dedication from the developers it deserves to achieve its potential.
I like what im reading about it too, to me where Umbrella Chronicles really shined was the fact that there was a huge amount of objects in the environments that where destructible, and havok engine here just means more interactivity. I like to hear here is more focus on horror/atmosphere. They do need to speed things up a bit, improve on the presentation and help immersion (which im sure actually seeing your 2nd character on screens goes a long way towards achieving). Hopefully this gets the time and dedication from the developers it deserves to achieve its potential.
Shin Johnpv
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Listen I'm not saying RE5 has to come to Wii. Give us a side story FINE, but make it play like RE4 Wii. This is my problem with 3rd party devs, not that they give us side stories or spin offs, that the gameplay mechanics of the series they come from are thrown to the fucking wind.
I'm sorry but I don't like On Rail Shooters. Just not a genre I enjoy. Much like others I own a 360, but I prefer the controls in RE4 Wii. Much more enjoyable experience to me. Give me a game that plays like that, I don't care if its Ada's grand day out, just make it play like RE4 Wii.
Take Dead Space a game I plan on buying when its cheaper, sorry I don't pay 60 bucks for games. When they hinted at a Wii version I thought wow Pointer Aiming, I am so fucking there, cause I really enjoy pointer aiming. Then they go announced its a fucking On Rails game, and well that's a lost sale. Kind of disappointed I'm going to have to get the 360 version with weaker controls.
Like I said, fine give us Side stories, just make them play like past games in their series, every fucking series doesn't need to be turned into an on rails shooter on Wii.
I'm calling it next Wii game from Capcom, SFIV the On Rails edition.
I'm sorry but I don't like On Rail Shooters. Just not a genre I enjoy. Much like others I own a 360, but I prefer the controls in RE4 Wii. Much more enjoyable experience to me. Give me a game that plays like that, I don't care if its Ada's grand day out, just make it play like RE4 Wii.
Take Dead Space a game I plan on buying when its cheaper, sorry I don't pay 60 bucks for games. When they hinted at a Wii version I thought wow Pointer Aiming, I am so fucking there, cause I really enjoy pointer aiming. Then they go announced its a fucking On Rails game, and well that's a lost sale. Kind of disappointed I'm going to have to get the 360 version with weaker controls.
Like I said, fine give us Side stories, just make them play like past games in their series, every fucking series doesn't need to be turned into an on rails shooter on Wii.
I'm calling it next Wii game from Capcom, SFIV the On Rails edition.
EmCeeGramr
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Not when you phrase it THAT way, but part of the problem with DR:CTYD is that it's taking a design based on next-gen technology and then being forced to totally change the gameplay. RE4's design obviously works on Wii hardware, so that's one major hurdle cleared already.dark10x said:
But yeah, if it was a shitty low-budget game with RE4 gameplay, I'd be upset. But that'd just prompt another question: why did it have to be a low-budget game?
My6cats said:
What year do you live in 2007??? Capcom, Ubisoft, Sega, and Activision all saw great success in many genres (from sports to adventure) in 2008
This you are only 1/2 right on, developers are thinking people want more simplified games but its not because of sales. They perceive the market as simple, but if you get down to honest to god sales information its not necessarily the case.
They only sold 1.5M each worldwide? And yeah, if Dead Rising was called Resident Evil 5: Dead Rising (meant to be mainline), then I would consider it a failure. Of course that ignores all the various additional factors like new IP development, sunk costs, etc, but of course you're aware of that and aren't trying to equivocate like a crying fanboy, right?Eteric Rice said:
So you want a AAA-game from the C-team? Or are you going to hold up Red Steel as some sort of evidence to the contrary, too?
Shin Johnpv
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Arpharmd B said:
Wait, how is RE4 Wii a 3rd version port, of a game that could already be played on the system selling 1.5 mil OK, but Dead Rising selling 1.5 million is a smash success?
Explain that complete lack of logic.
comedy bomb
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You still use the pointer to aim in on-rails games.
You do realize that PC gamers have made this argument for years. Wii-aiming is still lagging way behind mouse aiming, as far as accuracy is concerned. You don't see PC owners accepting table scraps just because they offer mouse and keyboard controls, however.
Wow.
Those RE4 numbers are very impressive indeed, but it's Resident Evil. A very well known and popular franchise re-released on a console with a very limited selection of quality action games. RE4 is also one of the best games ever made. Dead Rising was a new IP that was nowhere near as good as RE4.
Still, it's clear that the installed base is there.
Of course, Capcom has invested heavily in the HD systems with their MT Framework engine and it seems like they would like to get the most out of that investment. Their games are certainly doing well on the HD systems. Why take a step back?
Flachmatuch
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@Vinci: read the original post again and stop making stuff up to justify your reading comprehension problems. The line you replied to was "Yes, that's right.. let me financially reward Capcom for snubbing my console/control method of choice. Great idea." He directly refers to the control method, so it's obvious he's talking about the "Wii experience". You even quoted that line.
Not buying stuff you don't like makes *perfect fucking sense*, if you believe in the "vote with your wallet" thing (which obviously doesn't work 100%, but that's what you have in free markets), and that was all I was responding to.
Not buying stuff you don't like makes *perfect fucking sense*, if you believe in the "vote with your wallet" thing (which obviously doesn't work 100%, but that's what you have in free markets), and that was all I was responding to.
Cow Mengde said:
I don't know, but to me the Resident Evil series was indicative of the shift in gaming during the PlayStation era. Some of it made sense to me (Final Fantasy going cinema heavy), while other things (like RE with its shit-tastic controls) didn't. I've always been a gameplay over graphics gamer. If your controls are fucking horrible, thus mitigating any other gameplay choices you made in the game's development, I hated your game and you, and wished you would drop off the face of the planet and stop fucking up my hobby.
Yes, I was one of those people, but I got over it. Some of these "graphics! graphics! graphics!" folks will too someday ... when a designer finally achieves creating a work of art in gaming ... and it bores them to tears.
Flachmatuch said:
Apologies then. For some reason, my mind tuned the 'control method' part of the line out.
And I've no problem with that concept. My perspective is that these companies know exactly what they're going to do on the Wii and what they're not already - and this isn't going to change regardless of how these games sell. If they decide to bring a new RE4 Wii experience game to the system, it'll be because they decided to a while back and not based on how this next shooter does on the market.
Arpharmd B
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Shin Johnpv said:
Umm, RE4 sold 1.5 million on Wii? Seriously?
Well if that's the case, then I retract my argument. I had no idea it sold that much. I thought it was like 500k WW, or less. I'm sorry if that is the case I appologize and that changes things. Anyone have the numbers?
Well, if RE4Wii managed 1.5 million, than I'll tell you Wii owners that there is good hope for a Wii port of 5 in the future.
I see that happening, but don't complain when it's handled by a C team and it's butchered to shit and back.
poppabk
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What if you like the games that are on the console you own, but would like a bit of variety without having to spend another $200 and put another console under your TV? I am sure Guncon owners are pretty pissed that they haven't got any lightgun games since the one they got the gun with, but to say that they should sell their PS3 and buy a Wii seems a little extreme. If all you care about is one game then sure you should probably get the console that it is on, but most people like a range of games, so why not hope that you can get a good selection of games in all genres on a single console? Its not impossible for this to happen.Arpharmd B said:
Sho_Nuff82
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Leon S. Kennedy said:
Then sell both of your consoles and buy it for PC, where it will have better graphics than 360 and better control than Wii.
That is, if you demand the best experience and this isn't just some silly console allegiance vent-fest that everyone is having here.
Look at it this way, GCN fans of Metal Gear and Final Fantasy had to buy another weaker, more expensive console to get the new mainline entries of those series.
dark10x said:
Or before the other two overshot the market. Depends on your viewpoint.
And I agree, this makes sense. Just as Nintendo cannot singlehandedly keep their system from experiencing a drought of titles, other companies cannot produce games that are heavy in development for every system out there one after another. There are limitations to what any developer is capable of.
Arpharmd B
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poppabk said:
We are just two different people I guess.
I'm not happy about having to shell out 400$ for a PS3 for the two games I want, but I'm doing it. That's why I've been waiting on the sidelines praying for a pricedrop, cause I'm a cheap bastard. So I know what being a cheap bastard is all about.
Bitching about it though is just dumb, you don't see me skunking up PS3 threads begging for a 360 port of MGS4. But hey to each his own, we are different people.
Also, I am shocked that 200$ is alot of money to people. If the game I wanted was on a 200$ system I didn't own, I wouldn't think twice. Hell if PS3 was 200$ I'd have run, sprinted, fucking jet-rocketed over to Gamestop for MGS4 and a PS3 3 hours ago.
EmCeeGramr
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Yeah, but why is Wii getting games that are simpler than what the PS2 and GameCube and Xbox were capable of doing? People act like the Wii's hardware stops it from doing action games and FPSs and RPGs and whatnot. What were people playing last generation if those games suddenly can't be done on Wii?dark10x said:
Flachmatuch
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Vinci said:
That perspective is a bit...errr...misguided though. Primary feedback for these companies is sales numbers - they cancel games if they think they won't sell, they fire developers, change strategies etc. They make mistakes all the time too. Obviously they have to look at the market to see what it wants. Also, as far as I can see, DSC looks like it's been in development only for months, which contradicts your whole point.
People are saying that just like most games companies did with the DS and the Wii, they are making mistakes - and more and more large publishers are beginning to acknowledge that. They might be right or wrong, but what you're bringing up are not even arguments ffs.
Overshot? The 360 and PS3 followed the natural path seen in every other generational switch.
The Wii, on the other hand, is the first time we've seen a company release a new console that is only a hair more powerful than their previous machine.
You do realize that some people actually have great interest in pushing graphics technology forward, right? The people responsible for pushing last generation machines to their limits are now working on 360 and PS3 titles. This is why you rarely find Wii games matching the best last generation efforts.
Arpharmd B
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In light of the evidence that was brought to my attention, my argument still stands.
Honestly, put yourselves in Capcoms shoes.
You can develop a full budget, awesome RE5 and sell shit loads on PS360. Use the DLC infrastructure to make even more.
You then have a C team downport the game to Wii and sell even more. Then you port the cell phones, Iphone etc. Milk it a bit more
Makes about perfect business sense.
Now some of you live in bizarro land and want the full fledged, full budget RE game for Wii. Soo, let's entertain that for a minute. They make the game specifically for Wii, then what, UPport it? Um, ok. Glad we live in the real world.
Honestly, put yourselves in Capcoms shoes.
You can develop a full budget, awesome RE5 and sell shit loads on PS360. Use the DLC infrastructure to make even more.
You then have a C team downport the game to Wii and sell even more. Then you port the cell phones, Iphone etc. Milk it a bit more
Makes about perfect business sense.
Now some of you live in bizarro land and want the full fledged, full budget RE game for Wii. Soo, let's entertain that for a minute. They make the game specifically for Wii, then what, UPport it? Um, ok. Glad we live in the real world.
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