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Capcom wants to grow Monster Hunter in West, feels handhelds are limiting sales there
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Switch will pass Xbone's Japan numbers on the first day.
CaviarMeths
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Let's be real though, Monster Hunter has only gotten as far as it has in the west at all because of Nintendo's marketing push. I think they have some leverage here. Switch is still the most likely platform for the next generation of Monster Hunter.
It depends on how much they spend on HD development. 2 million in the West isn't really that much of a big growth especially if you sacrifice/alienate your core Japanese audience. And good luck selling 2 million in Japan on PS4 (or on home consoles in general).
The people who vehemently opposes the idea of MH being on anything but a Nintendo console certainly thinks so.
Panajev2001a
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It could certainly grow the brand coming back to the Sony fold where it came from
.Seriously though, Capcom wants to grow the brand overseas... NX will be supported, but thinking that the porting costs for an Xbox One + PS4 release (that can be ported on PC too) would not be far outweighed by the increased sales feels misguided at best and a bit disingenuous at worst.
The people who vehemently opposes the idea of MH being on anything but a Nintendo console thinks otherwise.
If there's no successor to the 3DS and MH5 was exclusive to Switch, I can see it easily hitting that much. Unless everyone just decides to give up on handheld gaming because of the Switch.I think it's also delusional that MH5 will hit 3-5m alone on the Switch too, but you'll never know.
The more platforms + a mobile app will hit decent targets though.
MatrixMan.EXE
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Ploid 3.0
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You forgot to mention the Souls games in your list of games that don't count.
ULTROS!
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This reminds me of how Dragon Quest was supposed to be Nintendo forever
Panajev2001a
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The argument seems also to be that MH mainline would only sell shit to anyone by Nintendo customers/fans who are the only ones worthy to appreciate it... curiously ignoring how it did on PSP back then...
Mr. Pointy
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I was using that poster's 4 million-ish number as a baseline.
But yeah, if console MH can only sell about the same worldwide as handheld MH currently does, then there's no real point to it.
Yeah, that's why I put a 2 Mill Split for both.
I don't see Mon Hun selling over 2 million in the West anytime soon.
But I also don't see them selling over 2 Million Copies on one console in Japan, especially one where less than 4 million consoles has been sold.
Either way, the next Monster Hunter will not get 4/4U/Gen numbers.
This sounds made up.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Genuine concern for Capcom not to tarnish the mainline MH... just send a spinoff to those plebs
.LimitedTimeGamer
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I want a HD Monster Hunter so badly.
Even if it never came out in english, if it was on PS4, i could import it. We dont know if the switch is region free yet.
Id even take Frontier!
Even if it never came out in english, if it was on PS4, i could import it. We dont know if the switch is region free yet.
Id even take Frontier!
Don't lie. No one would take Frontier.
Devilgunman
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Good guy Capcom finally understand. All I need is playing MH on TV. I don't care what platform you put it in but I'm sick and tired of playing it on the handheld.
Compare the Titanfall 1 (heavenly backed and marketed by MS) to the Titanfall 2 numbers - bigger install base doesnt always result in higher sales. Especially if the market is more crowded with similar games.
Not even Souls game sold that much on PS4 - and they are like the biggest JP 3rd Party hit since who knows what game. I wont stop you from thinking that PS4 version = instant success. It def. would be a good look for the IP and many who are wishing for a console version - but there are more facts to consider, dont act like Japanese games selling 1 million on PS4 in the west is a given.
Not even Souls game sold that much on PS4 - and they are like the biggest JP 3rd Party hit since who knows what game. I wont stop you from thinking that PS4 version = instant success. It def. would be a good look for the IP and many who are wishing for a console version - but there are more facts to consider, dont act like Japanese games selling 1 million on PS4 in the west is a given.
broncobuster
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Whichever platform(s) is lands on, I feel bringing the online systems to, let's say, at least 2009 standards will go a long way to making it viable in the west.
Panajev2001a
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That was a feeling I was getting while reading the thread, not the only one mind you. What is your interpretation of this defensiveness and opposition to think of anything but NX as possible target for Capcom? How does the uggestiojnofnjust putting MH Frontier to other non Nintendo consoles fit?
Panajev2001a
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EA invested way less into marketing this than what MS + EA did for the first title: it was like a premier first party release. Before the Xbox One launch the "Have you seen TitanFall?" line by MS execs was almost reaching meme material for me... let's give the sequel some time though too
.Point taken, but do you see many MH alternatives on Xbox One and PS4? I do not see an overcrowded genre there.
Xbox One + PS4 does not guarantee success, but expanding into that area and reconsidering that niche (MH started with a Sony PlayStation audience) would be a wise investment although full effect would be seen with sequels if they stick with it. Just like mature non Nintendo games on Nintendo consoles... you cannot just drop a game and send it to die and then expect the market and the Nintendo consoles customer base to have changed expectations.
I've seen more port-begging for MH on other platforms than any defensiveness or opposition. Even in this thread nobody is saying the games should be Switch exclusive or anything you said they do. On the other hand, there are people saying it shouldn't come to the Switch or making comments about Nintendo fans like you are.
Apart from no voice chat, what do you think is not up to standard?
KZObsessed
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Surely multiplat on PS4 and Switch would be the sensible option. Steam as well because why not?
PdotMichael
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Not releasing MH on all consoles and PC is maybe one of the strangest decision by Capcom.
I think it's also delusional that MH5 will hit 3-5m alone on the Switch too, but you'll never know.
The more platforms + a mobile app will hit decent targets though.
Well, Monster Hunter sale over 4.1 million on the 3DS with more than a million sold in the West....
The only tricky thing there is that Capcom implied that multiplatform development between Switch and PS4 is not happening.
CaviarMeths
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People who don't buy Nintendo devices have had a few options open up in the last few years. God Eater and Toukiden come to mind.
Is that so? Why tho? Seems smart to have it on both of them and then they still have a handheld option for Japan.
MatrixMan.EXE
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I think it would be disingenuous to deny that for a while now, if anyone suggested Dragon Quest or Monster Hunter come to PS4, they'd be shouted down by some Nintendo fans in this weird tirade of defensiveness.
Like I've said in other threads before (and been laughed at by some), do not assume that MH will stay locked to Nintendo consoles forever. They can't use the 3DS forever and Switch is not a 1:1 replacement for the 3DS, especially since it has a whopping install base of 0 right now, with uncertainty as to how it will actually perform in the market place. You can't not expect Capcom to try and adapt to this change in market conditions, afterall.
Mr. Pointy
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Might be a contractual issue.
Paraphrasing but they said it's not so simple due to different business practices between the platform holders. Who know what that means...
Switch looks like it was built for Monster Hunter, but I feel like in order for the franchise to take off in the west, Capcom would have to essentially make a different line of MH games to cater specifically to the western console/PC market. Based admittedly on what little I've played of MH3, Capcom would have to change too much about it, probably so much it would piss off the original fans.
From my understanding MH is a sort of loot RPG that could maybe fit into the Destiny/Division/Diablo/GTA Online/ market, but that's probably way overgeneralizing it. Someone who's put thousands of hours into MH will probably correct me, but the point is that Capcom would probably have to gear a console/PC MH to players of those games. Doing HD graphics and modern art assets would just be the beginning (that Chinese version doesn't look too bad visually, it even runs on CryEngine). Capcom would probably have to completely change the controls into something more conventional, and thus rebalance the entire game, at least in terms of enemy behavior and animations. And then it would have to find some way to retain the addictiveness that got MH to where it was in the first place and apply it to western online communities. Then it would have to learn how to constantly update games and keep the content flowing like you see with Destiny or GTA Online or other online games. It's a risk, but there's potential there. In my mind this would happen while Capcom still makes the traditional MH games mainly for the Japanese market.
On the subject, when you look at what online shooters are popular today, I'm starting to think Lost Planet 2 was a bit ahead of its time. Capcom tried to turn it into Monster Hunter but on a console and geared around online co-op without significant singleplayer content. Everybody's doing that today but people slammed Capcom for it in 2010. I guess Umbrella Corps is Capcom's modern attempt?
Capcom is a bit unique in that it's a Japanese publisher with a lot of franchises that could potentially appeal to the west. It has always been good at making action games which are the bread and butter of the western console market.
From my understanding MH is a sort of loot RPG that could maybe fit into the Destiny/Division/Diablo/GTA Online/ market, but that's probably way overgeneralizing it. Someone who's put thousands of hours into MH will probably correct me, but the point is that Capcom would probably have to gear a console/PC MH to players of those games. Doing HD graphics and modern art assets would just be the beginning (that Chinese version doesn't look too bad visually, it even runs on CryEngine). Capcom would probably have to completely change the controls into something more conventional, and thus rebalance the entire game, at least in terms of enemy behavior and animations. And then it would have to find some way to retain the addictiveness that got MH to where it was in the first place and apply it to western online communities. Then it would have to learn how to constantly update games and keep the content flowing like you see with Destiny or GTA Online or other online games. It's a risk, but there's potential there. In my mind this would happen while Capcom still makes the traditional MH games mainly for the Japanese market.
On the subject, when you look at what online shooters are popular today, I'm starting to think Lost Planet 2 was a bit ahead of its time. Capcom tried to turn it into Monster Hunter but on a console and geared around online co-op without significant singleplayer content. Everybody's doing that today but people slammed Capcom for it in 2010. I guess Umbrella Corps is Capcom's modern attempt?
Capcom is a bit unique in that it's a Japanese publisher with a lot of franchises that could potentially appeal to the west. It has always been good at making action games which are the bread and butter of the western console market.
Panajev2001a
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Not saying it outright maybe (beyond those suggesting simply to keep Frontier for other consoles and keep mainline for 3DS and NX
), but very concerned about warning people that porting it is not a panacea, etc... perhaps I am reading people wrong, but I do not put myself out of the Nintendo fans camp entirely .Also, I am not saying that people are not begging for ports. You see PS4, Xbox, and future NX owners all doing it. Where did you see people saying the game should not come to NX?
NurseRedHeart
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So then they just need to start putting the MH games back on consoles. Hope they do that.
There was MH3U on the Wii U, which displayed at native 1080p and ran at 60 FPS(when looking at a wall)
About as bad as the PS fans when it switched from PSP to 3DS
That's interesting. If that's the case sounds like Capcom has a decision to make in where MH lands in the future. That or that whole rumor about a handheld one that is like the old MH and a radical new direction MH for PS4 is true.
1st Course
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With the massive success of the PS4 in the West they should seriously consider bringing MH to the big screen.
That's if it goes multiplatform.
Yeah could be. Not sure what the point of making Monster Hunter in Name Only would be though.
Yeah I dont get the point either when it's not the MH experince any long time fans would want. Maybe they would be hoping a new audience grows from the newer game. Seems risky as hell to me but what do I know.
My point was just that people are quick to dismiss the smaller success stories of japanese games with handhelds with " eh no brainer it would sell 5x times as much on home consoles" when sales are painting a different pictures - how many PS4 JRPGs outsold Bravely Default or Monster Hunter ?
btw. If i was Capcom - i would release MH XX in the west for Switch and 3DS. Then move forward with MH5 on Switch/PS4(maybe PC). This covers most relevant bases.
DXB-KNIGHT
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I don't think this has anything to do with the Switch since what we know about the Switch is limited.
It seems Capcom wants to expand MH in the West.
My guess A MH nonhandheld game to attract the Western players and the traditional MH to retain existing fans.
The western style game might not be a platform exclusive since it aims to increase MH to the largest possible audience like consoles and PC.
It seems Capcom wants to expand MH in the West.
My guess A MH nonhandheld game to attract the Western players and the traditional MH to retain existing fans.
The western style game might not be a platform exclusive since it aims to increase MH to the largest possible audience like consoles and PC.
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