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Captain America: Civil War SPOILER Thread - #TeamThanos

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How come Tony considered contacting Banner for assistance in capturing Cap but not Thor?
He didn't consider contacting him, it was a joke. And at the end of Ultron, Tony and Steve mentioned something about having no idea where Thor was going. I don't think they have a direct line to Asgard or any of the other realms.
 
My biggest complaint of the film was the giant white text with the cities. Was not needed at all, especially when each location opens with a line of dialogue saying where we are.
 
That was better than BvS? Ok. Weakest MCU film since Iron Man 2 for me. Bloated as hell, and aimless. Shaky cam fight scenes gave me a headache. Villain was terrible. The "Cival War" was a game of flag football until someone rolled an ankle. Felt like a poor epilogue to Winter Soldier.

Black Panther was awesome, can't wait for his solo film. Spidey was neat, but you could tell he was shoehorned in at the last minute. Tony literally told him to fuck off for the rest of the movie after the big brawl.

Yup dont agree at all but respect your dissenting opinion

I actually have a criticism of my own nagging in the back of my head but i cant build it until i see it again and reflect a bit on it
 
So second watching.

Yeah Hawkeye really feels pissy in this movie. Spat Tony's name, acted like a child, and was pointlessly a dickhead. It felt like he knew the stakes yet wasn't willing to commit with the punishment that came with it.
Hawkeye seems pretty in-line to me based on the context established in MCU, as Tony pulled the rug from under them.

I thought he would be pro-Accords at 1st but I guess he owed Wanda.
 
My biggest complaint of the film was the giant white text with the cities. Was not needed at all, especially when each location opens with a line of dialogue saying where were are.

The people behind us chuckled whenever that happened. It was like.. "LAGOS". Oh, I see it. What font size is that, 300?
 
But yeah, Civil War was about a strong 8 to a light 9 out of 10 for me. It was a fun movie that dealt with some of the more realistic side effects of being a superhero. A better movie could have dealt with the issue of death, grief, and loss better, but that's not the movie I want from Marvel. At least not yet.

I really wouldn't say "realistic", it's just that in Marvel, every non-powered civilian is an asshole.

Hawkeye seems pretty in-line to me based on the context established in MCU, as Tony pulled the rug from under them.

The resentment came out of nowhere though and he tries to act like he had a higher moral ground while suddenly acting like a kid.
 

Thanks, I had just actually given up finding it!

It felt like he knew the stakes yet wasn't willing to commit with the punishment that came with it.

It wasn't so much that he wasn't willing to commit to the punishment - he had to have known the side he picked would have the harder time. It was more that Tony, someone he grew to trust and respect, would take the path he chose, and then lock everyone up the way they were (Especially Scarlet Witch, he seems to treat her kind of like a younger sister, almost). As if Tony had betrayed everyone trapped in the Raft.

At least, that's how I viewed
 
Yeah it was rad but it's the small details that take me out of scenes.

Really though Cap didn't even hold back against a kid and tried crushing him on the assumption he was strong. Peter was pretty bruised.
Cap vs Spidey was the moment that took me out. Cap had no idea how strong Peter was, and attempted to crush him. The Queens/Brooklyn exchange was great but still... Captain America tried to murder that child.

What's up with the Spider-Man projection at the end? There was a lot of dramatic music for what's basically just a logo.
 
Did anyone else notice that all fight scenes in the first half of the film seemed to run at like a choppy frame rate? The entire IMAX Airport sequence and the Hydra Base fight didn't have the issue.
 
But yeah, Civil War was about a strong 8 to a light 9 out of 10 for me. It was a fun movie that dealt with some of the more realistic side effects of being a superhero. A better movie could have dealt with the issue of death, grief, and loss better, but that's not the movie I want from Marvel. At least not yet.

We'll probably get that in a future season of Daredevil.
 
What's up with the Spider-Man projection at the end? There was a lot of dramatic music for what's basically just a logo.

Is Homecoming already shooting? I wonder if that's actually a scene in Homecoming like how they threw a Civil War scene at the end of Ant-man.

Did anyone else notice that all fight scenes in the first half of the film seemed to run at like a choppy frame rate? The entire IMAX Airport sequence and the Hydra Base fight didn't have the issue.

At my (normal digital) screening I noticed ghosting in a lot of the action scenes in the first 2/3 of the film. Not sure if it was shitty projection but it was probably related to how the scenes were shot too. Watching it again this Saturday at a much better screen.
 
Loved it. Easy 8.5/10. Black Panther is now my favorite MCU character, but man, Spider-Man felt shoehorned in. He felt so out of place in that fight. I'm sure he'd be fantastic in his solo movie, but I was quite underwhelmed by him, especially because he was the thing I was most looking forward to in this film.
 
Did anyone else notice that all fight scenes in the first half of the film seemed to run at like a choppy frame rate? The entire IMAX Airport sequence and the Hydra Base fight didn't have the issue.
Yeah, the shutter speed was probably different during filming.
 
My biggest complaint of the film was the giant white text with the cities. Was not needed at all, especially when each location opens with a line of dialogue saying where we are.

Agreed, was really jarring, every time it happened. I would have liked a more subtle approach, like Winter Soldier (Though maybe that's the point? WS was a spy movie, it was subtle and included the longitude and latitude of each location, right? This is a more bombastic film, so they used massive, in-your-face bombastic font.....I guess? Either way, it was really jarring and strange imo)
 
Cap vs Spidey was the moment that took me out. Cap had no idea how strong Peter was, and attempted to crush him. The Queens/Brooklyn exchange was great but still... Captain America tried to murder that child.

What's up with the Spider-Man projection at the end? There was a lot of dramatic music for what's basically just a logo.
I'm pretty sure that he could tell how strong Peter was as he was pulling him back with the web.
 
Cap vs Spidey was the moment that took me out. Cap had no idea how strong Peter was, and attempted to crush him. The Queens/Brooklyn exchange was great but still... Captain America tried to murder that child.

What's up with the Spider-Man projection at the end? There was a lot of dramatic music for what's basically just a logo.

Uhh spidey was knocking people around the entire time

And honestly... Superhero fight... Cant ground it too much. The premise is ridiculous from the beginning
 
Did anyone else notice that all fight scenes in the first half of the film seemed to run at like a choppy frame rate? The entire IMAX Airport sequence and the Hydra Base fight didn't have the issue.

Yeah, I really liked the movie but one of my few issues with it was how terrible the Lagos fight scene was edited (and, to a lesser extent, the Vienna sequence). It felt super sped up and was cut together too quickly. The airport and final battle sequences felt like they were done by completely different people.
 
I really wouldn't say "realistic", it's just that in Marvel, every non-powered civilian is an asshole.
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Well, realistic in the sense casualties happen when you pit heroes and villains. You can't escape it. People will crucify you for not being perfect, despite the fact you have an ethical dilemma every time you act. But yeah. Civilians are assholes.

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Is Homecoming already shooting? I wonder if that's actually a scene in Homecoming like how they threw a Civil War scene at the end of Ant-man.

I don't believe so. They're probably in the thick of casting and will start filming by June/July.
 
The resentment came out of nowhere though and he tries to act like he had a higher moral ground while suddenly acting like a kid.
I don't know about "higher moral ground", he had an opinion / stance that he felt very strongly about.

Even Tony was taken aback by the bleak harshness of the Raft, and he himself put Wanda (whom Barton owed a debt) on house arrest.

edit: but it's good we disagree so much about this, that's the intent of the movie! :)
 
Cap vs Spidey was the moment that took me out. Cap had no idea how strong Peter was, and attempted to crush him. The Queens/Brooklyn exchange was great but still... Captain America tried to murder that child.

What's up with the Spider-Man projection at the end? There was a lot of dramatic music for what's basically just a logo.

Exactly, I knew about as much about New York to understand that's 2 districts there so the joke fell a bit flat.

By the icons circling the logo in the middle and tony's remarks on his PC I just assumed the armband is some high tech PC.
 
It wasn't so much that he wasn't willing to commit to the punishment - he had to have known the side he picked would have the harder time. It was more that Tony, someone he grew to trust and respect, would take the path he chose, and then lock everyone up the way they were (Especially Scarlet Witch, he seems to treat her kind of like a younger sister, almost). As if Tony had betrayed everyone trapped in the Raft.

At least, that's how I viewed

I don't think Clint had interacted with Tony. Also Tony wasn't the one who locked them up, in fact he was against the whole ordeal.

Well, realistic in the sense casualties happen when you pit heroes and villains. You can't escape it. People will crucify you for not being perfect, despite the fact you have an ethical dilemma every time you act. But yeah. Civilians are assholes.

I get what you mean, but more than half of the time it's really just Marvel civilians being assholes for no apparent reason.
 
Cap vs Spidey was the moment that took me out. Cap had no idea how strong Peter was, and attempted to crush him. The Queens/Brooklyn exchange was great but still... Captain America tried to murder that child.

He did take some hits from Spidey, and must have seen what he can do against others. He had to have known from fighting him.

What's up with the Spider-Man projection at the end? There was a lot of dramatic music for what's basically just a logo.

I have no idea. Could be a communicator. Might be an emergency help signal or something. Definitely a good way to accidently give his secret identity away.

Is Homecoming already shooting? I wonder if that's actually a scene in Homecoming like how they threw a Civil War scene at the end of Ant-man.

They're still casting for that movie, iirc. This scene was specifically for the movie.
 
I thought the movie was great.
With the amount of characters in the plot, I thought every one had a strong presence.
The Russo brothers did a phenomenal job in that regard.
 
I kind of wish there was a Black Panther film prior, where Spidey was introduced here perfectly. Kind of that balance between light relief and Panther's stoic nature that needs to be explored more.

The last scene with the villain and Panther was legit though. Great villian arc of not going overboard with some garbage stock character.
 
Did anyone else notice that all fight scenes in the first half of the film seemed to run at like a choppy frame rate? The entire IMAX Airport sequence and the Hydra Base fight didn't have the issue.
I noticed it at my viewing (3d ultra avx), a little distracting
 
I really liked what they did with Zemo. It's not comics Zemo by a long shot -- actually, he's pretty much a completely different man who just happens to be named Zemo -- but he has an interestingly subversive story.
 
It's definitely not any of the comic Zemos, but I think his scheming definitely draws from Brubaker's Zemo towards the end of his first Captain America run. Still vastly different as a character though.
 
I don't think Clint had interacted with Tony. Also Tony wasn't the one who locked them up, in fact he was against the whole ordeal.

They've definitely interacted, we just may not have always seen it. The mission to capture Strucker in the beginning of Ultron wasn't their second outing, they've had multiple (They mention that Hulk's "Lullaby" worked better now than all the other times they've tried it, they all work together as a team really well, and they're comfortable enough with each other to talk about their personal lives ("Where are Pepper and Jane?" in the party scene in Ultron) and make fun of each oth- I mean, Clint. Just Clint, really.)

And in their eyes, it didn't matter if Tony was against it (which they might not even have known). Both sides believe that the other side was responsible for tearing the Avengers apart.
 
My favorite single shot was Rhodes' descent, while Tony and Sam try to catch him. Brutal and beautiful. I wonder if this scene was meant to illustrate Sam's concern specifically, or if it was meant to convey that both sides of the group still cared about one another. Because Vision would have fucking toasted Sam if that beam connected. Until that point, very few of the Avengers seemed to have qualms about blowing their friends up. Superheroes, yadda yadda. But I don't think it's unfair to expect more from these movies.

I didn't like any of the fights here as much as the Winter Soldier street fight in TWS. Heavy effects-driven action doesn't do it for me anymore I guess. I thought the best scenes in Civil War were also the most quiet.
 
My favorite single shot was Rhodes' descent, while Tony and Sam try to catch him. Brutal and beautiful. I wonder if this scene was meant to illustrate Sam's concern specifically, or if it was meant to convey that both sides of the group still cared about one another. Because Vision would have fucking toasted Sam if that beam connected. Until that point, very few of the Avengers seemed to have qualms about blowing their friends up. Superheroes, yadda yadda. But I don't think it's unfair to expect more from these movies.

I didn't like any of the fights here as much as the Winter Soldier street fight in TWS. Heavy effects-driven action doesn't do it for me anymore I guess. I thought the best scenes in Civil War were also the most quiet.

I still like Tony shooting Sam after the fact.
 
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