crisdecuba
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I pay attention, and I generally remember the plots of most movies, and yet I didn't realize the connection. Human beings are imperfect. And that's about it. No need to get huffy about it.
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Captain America: Civil War SPOILER Thread - #TeamThanos
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Instead of reiterating this point, I'll just re-post my comment.
Tony asks if Cap knew, Cap says he knew Hydra did it. Tony asks again if he knew, Cap admits that he did and then he sends a letter explaining why he never told Tony about Bucky. Why would he explain that he only did it for himself if what he "knew" was just that Hydra had Tony's parents killed? This wouldn't negatively impact Cap.
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Letter at the end of the movie.
Cap was bullshitting Tony when he said he didn't know it was Bucky and then admits to knowing a line later. Then he sends a letter apologize for knowing and not telling him.
They couldn't have made all of this anymore clearer.
Lone_Prodigy
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People were shocked when Bucky was revealed as the WS.
But also remember that the other Super Soldiers were a red herring for Zemo's true endgame. It's not surprising that you wouldn't draw the connection between Stark's parents and Bucky being responsible.
But also remember that the other Super Soldiers were a red herring for Zemo's true endgame. It's not surprising that you wouldn't draw the connection between Stark's parents and Bucky being responsible.
I posted the transcript above your post.
That's what he told himself but once Tony found out, he realized he only did it to protect himself.
Haha that's awesome
Green Mamba
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Human memory is incredibly imperfect, so you're going to have to forgive people who saw TWS once a year or two ago and don't perfectly retain every single little piece of information.
The Artisan
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Speedydonut
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When Civil War comes out on video someone please edit this song into the airport fight or the final one between Cap and Tony
https://youtu.be/uEC7tPPKAXQ
https://youtu.be/uEC7tPPKAXQ
Discotheque
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remember when everyone was arguing about the "he's my friend tony" "so was I" line in the trailer, with some saying that tony absolutely was hurt by the betrayal and thought rogers was a close friend.
...and then the directors put in a take that makes way more sense that has stark angry/dismissive moreso than hurt. yeah. smart move. #teamcoworkers
...and then the directors put in a take that makes way more sense that has stark angry/dismissive moreso than hurt. yeah. smart move. #teamcoworkers
Rabbi_Vole
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The plot doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Why did Zemo keep asking about 1991? He obviously already knew about Bucky and the death of the Starks. He had no need for the Augments... So why the obsession with the mission report?
Similarly, the 'punch you in your perfect teeth' line is said more jokingly in the take used in the movie compared to the trailer.
He was looking at the encrypted Hydra data, and found some dates lining up. He probably already knew what it meant - just wanted the find the proof.
Rabbi_Vole
Banned
But why? A lot of effort expended for absolutely no reason.
So he could show Tony proof that Cap's BFF killed his parents.
Why what? Why look for proof? To get Tony to unrelentingly hunt Cap's best friend. Why was he looking at Hydra data? He wanted to find something to destroy the Avengers. Why did he want to destroy the Avengers? To get revenge for his family.
I mean Zemo was obviously trying to make Bucky a target, so he knew something was up.
Rabbi_Vole
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But he already knew what he was looking for. He knew where to find the information (the bunker) and it's not like the general and Bucky had the tape on them.
Apparently he didn't know where the bunker was though... He found who was presumably one of Bucky's handlers. Found Bucky. Found out about the bunker from there.
Rabbi_Vole
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Stick with me here.. So Zemo digs through the released Hydra data and finds both the generals location and something on a mission from 1991. On a hunch, he hunts down the general and questions him on the mission. The general says suck it, but Zemo finds the book that fills him in on Bucky and the bunker. Zemo then bombs the accords to flush out Bucky so he can brainwash him and ask him about some mission he performed in 1991. He then travels to the bunker mentioned in the star book and finds a box labeled 1991 with a video of Bucky doing the deed.
Why question Bucky at all? Why not just frame him and leave it at that?
He knew about 1991 from looking at Black Widow's files, we're not told what exactly he found there but we know it peaked his interest and knew he could use that information to destroy the Avengers. His investigation into the date lead him to finding the Bunker and the tape that most likely confirmed his suspicions.
Zemo needed solid proof that Bucky killed Tony's parents to set off Tony. Without it, Tony might brush off the allegations and nothing could happen. The proof was one of the surefire ways of pitting Tony and Cap against each other.
We don't know what all in the notebook, all we know for sure is that it had Bucky's activation code. Once he had that, he questioned Bucky and Bucky told him all he needed to know about 1991. Once he knew whatever Bucky told him, he went to the Bunker.
He wouldn't have known to go there without questioning Bucky.
Zemo needed solid proof that Bucky killed Tony's parents to set off Tony. Without it, Tony might brush off the allegations and nothing could happen. The proof was one of the surefire ways of pitting Tony and Cap against each other.
We don't know what all in the notebook, all we know for sure is that it had Bucky's activation code. Once he had that, he questioned Bucky and Bucky told him all he needed to know about 1991. Once he knew whatever Bucky told him, he went to the Bunker.
He wouldn't have known to go there without questioning Bucky.
Rabbi_Vole
Banned
But he didn't need Bucky for that proof. He had everything in the star book. The book mentions the bunker and how to enter.
See my edit.
The book didn't have the location to the bunker but it did have the code to open the door. He needed to question Bucky to find the location and to hear more about what happened in 1991.
If he knew the location of the bunker, he would've gone there straight away without putting himself in danger but he couldn't do that without first questioning Bucky.
That's why it was so important to frame him, if he gets framed then the world will go after him and eventually catch him. Once he got captured, Zemo would go there to interrogate him and get the relevant information about 1991. Getting to the bunker doesn't happen without Bucky getting interrogated and that doesn't happen without him getting arrested.
Rabbi_Vole
Banned
Well, I wish they had shown that. I thought it was safe to assume that a book that contained "how" to access a top secret bunker would also outline the "where."
ArtHands
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Maybe it has the location, but it is written in codes, and he couldn't decrypt it.
Bucky telling Cap what Zemo was after:
Made it clear that Zemo needed to question Bucky to find the bunker. Since we know he started out questioning about the specific mission, he probably also found out from Bucky that the mission report would be at the bunker.
I posted the transcript above your post.
That's what he told himself but once Tony found out, he realized he only did it to protect himself.
This is hilarious!
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I hope he recaps all the events at the start of Ant Man 2
I swear to god, Thor 3 better open with a shot of every returning character and state their name and a summary of what they did in past movies.
"Thor; alien, not the God, brother by adoption of Loki, the villain in Thor 1 and Avengers, son of Odin, who is dead and replaced by Loki doing illusions making Thor think Odin is still alive. His weapon of choice is witty banter and a smashing hammer called Mjölnir, or Mjeuh-meu for the less initiated. Only he is deemed worthy can hold and lift the hammer, and those who can shall be imbued with the powers of Thor, basically calling up lighting and swinging that hammer REALLY hard."
"Hulk, or Bruce Banner, got his condition through a blast of gamma radiation. Has mastered his rage by the end of Incredible Hulk and demonstrates this in Avengers, as a result he can now turn into Hulk at will. Still needs Black Widow to calm him down to return to human form. He has apparantly forgotten about the love of his life; Betty."
"Hulk and Thor have a history together, they fought on the Helicarrier (that's a flying aircraftcarrier) in Avengers, and Hulk suckerpunched Thor after taking down a Leviathan alien worm thingy."
"Stan Lee. Creator of the Marvel comics you are now witnessing in filmform. Has a cameo in just about every Marvel-movie, look out for him in this movie too."
"At the end of Age of Ultron, Thor went off to follow up on a vision he got and he needs to investigate. Hulk took a Quinjet (that's a sort of plane) and dropped off the radar soon after."
Okay, so now we're an half hour into the movie, shall we take a small break to let it all sink in and then we come back here in like 10 minutes so we can see where it goes from here?
And hand everyone cheatsheets at the entrance so they can look up who the big guy with blonde hairs and billowing red cape is again.
"Thor; alien, not the God, brother by adoption of Loki, the villain in Thor 1 and Avengers, son of Odin, who is dead and replaced by Loki doing illusions making Thor think Odin is still alive. His weapon of choice is witty banter and a smashing hammer called Mjölnir, or Mjeuh-meu for the less initiated. Only he is deemed worthy can hold and lift the hammer, and those who can shall be imbued with the powers of Thor, basically calling up lighting and swinging that hammer REALLY hard."
"Hulk, or Bruce Banner, got his condition through a blast of gamma radiation. Has mastered his rage by the end of Incredible Hulk and demonstrates this in Avengers, as a result he can now turn into Hulk at will. Still needs Black Widow to calm him down to return to human form. He has apparantly forgotten about the love of his life; Betty."
"Hulk and Thor have a history together, they fought on the Helicarrier (that's a flying aircraftcarrier) in Avengers, and Hulk suckerpunched Thor after taking down a Leviathan alien worm thingy."
"Stan Lee. Creator of the Marvel comics you are now witnessing in filmform. Has a cameo in just about every Marvel-movie, look out for him in this movie too."
"At the end of Age of Ultron, Thor went off to follow up on a vision he got and he needs to investigate. Hulk took a Quinjet (that's a sort of plane) and dropped off the radar soon after."
Okay, so now we're an half hour into the movie, shall we take a small break to let it all sink in and then we come back here in like 10 minutes so we can see where it goes from here?
And hand everyone cheatsheets at the entrance so they can look up who the big guy with blonde hairs and billowing red cape is again.
I need a recap of the airport scene with Pena voicing all the characters
To make it not obvious that you're setting a trap? You're forgetting that at that point, everyone is convinced this dude wants the remaining Winter Soldiers. And the team doesn't chase after him to Siberia unless he makes it clear his interest is in Siberia.
benicillin
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I just saw this movie! Spider-Man was by far the high point for me, I had skipped pretty much every Marvel movie until I heard that they were introducing Spider-Man so I went back and watched them all in the last couple of months. Totally worth it.
Also Team Iron Man, Cap was a coward who was right about things but for all the wrong reasons.
Also Team Iron Man, Cap was a coward who was right about things but for all the wrong reasons.
So, after watching Civil War again the soundtrack actually grew on me a bit. I actually liked how the big superhero vs superhero fight scenes in the movie actually had more somber tones to them instead of huge bombastic stuff like in an Avengers movie. It helped kind of sell that superheroes shouldn't be fighting
Ant-Man 2 is a failure if this doesn't happen.
Ant-Man 2 is a failure if this doesn't happen.
I think that'd kill anyone who isn't in the suit. In Ant-Man, the main bad guy kept shrinking unprotected sheep who would subsequently explode. You'd think something similar would happen for growth as well.
Come to think of it, those disks are pretty deadly.
You need the Ant Man suit for it to work.
LucidMomentum
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What, no choking fetish gifs?
Organic material has a risk of going splat without a suit.
Now that you mention it, the giant ant at the end of Ant-Man is a bit of a plot hole
ShinoguTakeruKoeru
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I mean, only Darren Cross's faulty Yellowjacket formula made organic matter go splat, and that was before he made it work.
The Pym Particle in general shouldn't be used too much without the suit insulating you from its harmful side effects (like "altering your brain chemistry," a turn of phrase that they kept using >_>), but it looks like once or twice isn't too bad to get you in and out of its effects.
In ant-man movie an ant was made big, it wasn't dead
edit : missed guek's last line
I love Ant-Man, fun movie, isn't there a part in there where they say that he has to have the suit (particularly his helmet) on before changing size?
Spoilering just in case
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Spoilering just in case
when he's cuffed in car he doesn't shrink to get out of it till after he maneuvers his way into helmet
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
I've been working 100-hour weeks since this came out so I just now had a chance to see it.
Tony's specific justification was incredibly weak. That guy would have been dead even if the Avengers were never there, along with countless others who ended up living.
Rhodey's justification was 100% based on fear. He tries to pretty it up at the end but I think it was just because his cowardice had cost him so much.
Wakanda was at the conference to support the Sokovia Accords, but... Black Panther ended up being the first character to go vigilante in the movie. (with no repercussions, not even a scolding)
And wow, they really went full mustache-twirling with Tony. He knew that everything Zemo did until the blackout and escape was to get alone in a room with Bucky. And he must have known why Zemo went to all of that trouble to get in a room with him. But then he goes psycho-killer when he finds out that Bucky killed his parents. (which couldn't have been that much of a surprise to him) Then after Tony gets his ass beaten he has a quiet moment and I was thinking "Ok, here's where he realizes that it doesn't make sense to blame Bucky.". But no, he doubles down on his stupid.
Tony's specific justification was incredibly weak. That guy would have been dead even if the Avengers were never there, along with countless others who ended up living.
Rhodey's justification was 100% based on fear. He tries to pretty it up at the end but I think it was just because his cowardice had cost him so much.
Wakanda was at the conference to support the Sokovia Accords, but... Black Panther ended up being the first character to go vigilante in the movie. (with no repercussions, not even a scolding)
And wow, they really went full mustache-twirling with Tony. He knew that everything Zemo did until the blackout and escape was to get alone in a room with Bucky. And he must have known why Zemo went to all of that trouble to get in a room with him. But then he goes psycho-killer when he finds out that Bucky killed his parents. (which couldn't have been that much of a surprise to him) Then after Tony gets his ass beaten he has a quiet moment and I was thinking "Ok, here's where he realizes that it doesn't make sense to blame Bucky.". But no, he doubles down on his stupid.
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