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Captain America: Civil War SPOILER Thread - #TeamThanos

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TAJ said:
I've been working 100-hour weeks since this came out so I just now had a chance to see it.

Tony's specific justification was incredibly weak. That guy would have been dead even if the Avengers were never there, along with countless others who ended up living.
Rhodey's justification was 100% based on fear. He tries to pretty it up at the end but I think it was just because his cowardice had cost him so much.
Wakanda was at the conference to support the Sokovia Accords, but... Black Panther ended up being the first character to go vigilante in the movie. (with no repercussions, not even a scolding)
And wow, they really went full mustache-twirling with Tony. He knew that everything Zemo did until the blackout and escape was to get alone in a room with Bucky. And he must have known why Zemo went to all of that trouble to get in a room with him. But then he goes psycho-killer when he finds out that Bucky killed his parents. (which couldn't have been that much of a surprise to him) Then after Tony gets his ass beaten he has a quiet moment and I was thinking "Ok, here's where he realizes that it doesn't make sense to blame Bucky.". But no, he doubles down on his stupid.
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Maybe it's because you've been working so much but you missed some important stuff, mate
 
Fuu said:
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Source?
 
I like how Tony tried to kill Steve for getting in his way. And he thought that Steve was going to kill him with the shield, because it's what he would have done.

Garlador said:
Rhodey remarking: "congratulations Cap. You're a criminal."
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The way he said that was like a kid saying that he's going to tell on another kid. Cheadle-Rhodey is the fucking worst.
 
TAJ said:
Such as?
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Tony's motivation wasn't just that kid's death (which was caused by Ultron, his creation btw) but also a desire to keep the Avengers together.

Rhodey's motivations were more a desire to acknowledge authority and order, not sure where you're getting fear from.

The Sokovia Accords wasn't about outlawing vigilantes, it was about sanctioning the Avengers. T'Challa didn't sign it and he's not a superhero. He doesn't even act as a vigilante in the movie, he's just a man on a revenge quest.

Tony didn't know Zemo's true goals until the very end, he along with everyone else thought he was after the other winter soldiers. The assassination of his parents was also never revealed to him, he believed they had died in a car accident. Tony going nuts at the end was also him at the end of his rope, when most everything he holds dear had been taken from him, and after the person he grew up listening stories about from his dad revealed he had betrayed him as a friend. There was a build up that you seemed to have missed that caused him to lose it.
 
guek said:
Tony's motivation wasn't just that kid's death (which was caused by Ultron, his creation btw) but also a desire to keep the Avengers together.

Rhodey's motivations were more a desire to acknowledge authority and order, not sure where you're getting fear from.

The Sokovia Accords wasn't about outlawing vigilantes, it was about sanctioning the Avengers. T'Challa didn't sign it and he's not a superhero. He doesn't even act as a vigilante in the movie, he's just a man on a revenge quest.

Tony didn't know Zemo's true goals until the very end, he along with everyone else thought he was after the other winter soldiers. The assassination of his parents was also never revealed to him, he believed they had died in a car accident. Tony going nuts at the end was also him at the end of his rope, when most everything he holds dear had been taken from him, and after the person he grew up listening stories about from his dad revealed he had betrayed him as a friend. There was a build up that you seemed to have missed that caused him to lose it.
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I dont think it excuses his irrational bloodthirst. Tony had a lot going wrong for him but he was in the wrong at the end trying to kill Bucky and most likely Cap.

We all see why but he played right into Zemos hand.
 
KodaRuss said:
I dont think it excuses his irrational bloodthirst. Tony had a lot going wrong for him but he was in the wrong at the end trying to kill Bucky and most likely Cap.

We all see why but he played right into Zemos hand.
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Oh sure, Tony was absolutely off the reservation
 
I just realized, Tony was kind of on his way to adjusting to things again and then Civil War leaves him basically broken again, albeit with Cap's shield at least.
 
guek said:
Tony's motivation wasn't just that kid's death (which was caused by Ultron, his creation btw) but also a desire to keep the Avengers together
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He should have known that it would have the opposite effect, especially when people started quitting immediately.

guek said:
Rhodey's motivations were more a desire to acknowledge authority and order, not sure where you're getting fear from.
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Funny, because the only thing he said when the Accords were presented was (paraphrasing here) "Ruhroh, gang... 100+ countries are pissed. We'd better bend over.".
Nothing about how valid their argument or authority were. Just "We disturbed a bee hive. Better jump in the lake.".
guek said:
The Sokovia Accords wasn't about outlawing vigilantes, it was about sanctioning the Avengers. T'Challa didn't sign it and he's not a superhero. He doesn't even act as a vigilante in the movie, he's just a man on a revenge quest.
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Lol at all of the bolded.
Hey, guys... Charles Bronson isn't a vigilante in Death Wish. Who knew?

guek said:
Tony didn't know Zemo's true goals until the very end, he along with everyone else thought he was after the other winter soldiers. The assassination of his parents was also never revealed to him, he believed they had died in a car accident. Tony going nuts at the end was also him at the end of his rope, when most everything he holds dear had been taken from him, and after the person he grew up listening stories about from his dad revealed he had betrayed him as a friend. There was a build up that you seemed to have missed that caused him to lose it.
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Less buildup and more character flaws. Unless by buildup you mean Tony's steady descent into supervillainy over the course of the MCU?
 
Subpar Spatula said:
Tony Stark is the furthest thing from broken, people.
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uhhh

Love of his life ditched him

Feels incredibly guilty for building a murderous robot who almost destroyed the world

Resorting to giving out generous donations to clear his conscience

Now the only family and friends he has is divided and he's the object of resent by half of them

I wouldn't say he's doing well
 
KodaRuss said:
I dont think it excuses his irrational bloodthirst. Tony had a lot going wrong for him but he was in the wrong at the end trying to kill Bucky and most likely Cap.

We all see why but he played right into Zemos hand.
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He was so trying to kill them that he asked them both to stand down when he defeated bucky and then cap.

Cap only "wins" because bucky distracts Tony
 
Fularu said:
He was so trying to kill them that he asked them both to stand down when he defeated bucky and then cap.

Cap only "wins" because bucky distracts Tony
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What did he think the beam that cut Bucky's arm off would do to Cap? Tickle him? He fires his beam multiple times at just Cap.
 
Einchy said:
The first scene is him explaining how he built a machine to fuck with his bad memories. Tony is nothing but broken in this movie.

I don't even know how you could come to that conclusion.
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That doesn't make him broken. Broken people don't what he did in the movie. You're using the wrong word. On edge is more like it.
 
I'm on team Cap, but think Ironman could of ruined the day if he really wanted to. He knew Captains limits and played at that level. Captain "could, do that all day long"....

Only watched it once.
 
UrokeJoe said:
I'm on team Cap, but think Ironman could of ruined the day if he really wanted to. He knew Captains limits and played at that level. Captain "could, do that all day long"....

Only watched it once.
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He told his A.I. that he had no chance of winning unless it could come up with something but he was toying with him?
 
TAJ said:
He told his A.I. that he had no chance of winning unless it could come up with something but he was toying with him?
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He didn't say that. Friday said Tony couldn't beat him hand-to-hand, which was mostly true.

Lol, I'm wondering if you actually paid attention, no offense.

Tony definitely could have beat Cap/Bucky handily if he really wanted to kill them both.
 
So I was thinking: the day his family died, Zemo lost his dad, his wife, and his kid at the same time, also meaning that he failed as a son, as a husband, and as a father, also at the same time.


No wonder he is bitter.
 
Yeezus H. Christ said:
Emotionally fragile, wounded, whatever you want to call it

Not even sure why you even bothered debating this
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When you label Tony as broken you make his actions seem more reasonable (if a broken person could actually do what Tony did). If you say he's on edge his actions don't seem as reasonable. These are two different states of mind, it's like saying a drunk person can drive well.
 
Subpar Spatula said:
When you label Tony as broken you make his actions seem more reasonable (if a broken person could actually do what Tony did). If you say he's on edge his actions don't seem as reasonable. These are two different states of mind, it's like saying a drunk person can drive well.
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No one's even saying Tony's attempts to kill Bucky are reasonable, but they're understandable. Not just because of the circumstances at hand, but because of his emotional state leading up to it. Sometimes you just snap, and Tony did.

You really should go take a nap so you can wake up to lob better half-hearted nitpicks at this film.
 
Nvzman said:
The fight wasn't just Spider-Man though.
I mean like in the shot, not just simply being present.
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I think spider-man is in a lot of the fight scene at the airport, he got his introduction scene, him fighting Bucky and Falcon scene, him fighting Cap, saved Rhodey from hitting a plane at one point, helped fight GiantMan.

that's probably more than what other characters got.
 
If Spatula found this film as safe and by the numbers or whatever he said, I don't understand why he keeps coming back to debate it, lmao. Clearly something so forgettable would be out of his mind the next day, wouldn't it?
 
Yeezus H. Christ said:
No one's even saying Tony's attempts to kill Bucky are reasonable, but they're understandable. Not just because of the circumstances at hand, but because of his emotional state leading up to it. Sometimes you just snap, and Tony did.

You really should go take a nap so you can wake up to lob better half-hearted nitpicks at this film.
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Tony's "broken" mind is talked about being a reason for more than just the snap at the end.
 
TAJ said:
He should have known that it would have the opposite effect, especially when people started quitting immediately.
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Except that didn't happen. Steve didn't make up his mind until after the funeral. Wanda was undecided until Clint came for her. Sam follows Steve's lead. Natasha, Vision, and Rhodey all signed.

Besides, the point Tony was making was either they sign, retire, or get locked up by the world governments. He was right.

TAJ said:
Funny, because the only thing he said when the Accords were presented was (paraphrasing here) "Ruhroh, gang... 100+ countries are pissed. We'd better bend over.".
Nothing about how valid their argument or authority were. Just "We disturbed a bee hive. Better jump in the lake.".
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Nah, not at all. You're spinning what he said which was basically just that the UN had a right to demand oversight.

TAJ said:
Lol at all of the bolded.
Hey, guys... Charles Bronson isn't a vigilante in Death Wish. Who knew?
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How was T'challa a vigilante? He was out for revenge, that doesn't make him a hero.

TAJ said:
Less buildup and more character flaws. Unless by buildup you mean Tony's steady descent into supervillainy over the course of the MCU?
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Partly. But a lot of the build up was in the movie itself, you just seemed to have missed it.
 
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