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Captain America: Civil War SPOILER Thread - #TeamThanos
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Mangoverboard
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There was a bit of that footage shown somewhere in the middle of the film but I forget where. But ya, pretty safe to say it was in the Hydra base? They'd have stolen it to cover their tracks
Edit: In response to the question on the previous page about the footage of the Starks death
Edit: In response to the question on the previous page about the footage of the Starks death
peanutbutterlatte
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Ehhh for a movie for kids, the last fight was just absolutely brutal. Like I winced during the final moments.
Also, you notice through the movie that Tony is not in the best mood. Pepper left him because he returned to be Iron Man, the PSTD from the Battle of New York and most likely the guilt from creating Ultron, then the mother of the boy who was killed in Sorkovia and Rhodeys injury... He just lost it as he learned that Steve didnt told him the truth about Bucky and his parents, even while I think that he recognized that in the end when he let Steve break into the Raft.
One of the aspects of the movie I like the most.
I think MCU is done beating up on Tony.
peanutbutterlatte
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For a movie that also nails Cap, they also absolutely nailed Tony. To the extent that it puts the character from the films comic namesake to absolute shame.
that would be super coooool if true
At least Heidi Moneymaker, if I recall correctly, is the stuntwoman for Black Widow and played one of the Winter Soldiers. I thought that was nice. Didn't manage to catch the other names.
Also I learned during the credits that there is a job called 'Best Boy Grip'. I don't know what that is, but it made me chuckle.
"Oh you look completely different from your previous pictures."
"Well, you know, the camera adds 100 pounds. And a beard."
Pretty unbelievable LOL.
Erwinadriansyah
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Thanks for the answer, bros.
Yeah, I have a feeling that that footage was also there at the base. It just struck me kinda funny that this shady organization documented practically every hit they made/ordered.
But still, was that footage deliberately made to document the assassination similar to how cops these days wear body camera or were hydra/whoever ran the winter soldier program just stole those footage from somewhere for safekeeping?
Yeah, I have a feeling that that footage was also there at the base. It just struck me kinda funny that this shady organization documented practically every hit they made/ordered.
But still, was that footage deliberately made to document the assassination similar to how cops these days wear body camera or were hydra/whoever ran the winter soldier program just stole those footage from somewhere for safekeeping?
LordOcidax
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Saw it last night, really great movie and one of the best from Marvel, I liked everything... Spiderman and Blackphanter GOAT, The action 10/10, i am going to the theater again tonight.. Cant wait
ThoseDeafMutes
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A crowd of grade 6 or 7 kids (~11-13 yo) came out of the showing before me. Still in their school uniforms, lol. Rated m15+ here but you can get in below 15 with adult supervision.
Half of the movie is basically "Kick Tony when he's down", something I expect a subset of people will find a lot of delirious joy in. He's pretty tragic in this movie when you think about it.
I'm wondering whether we'll see him exhibit some shades of being sort of disgraced in Homecoming and that he'll see the "mentor" role as a way of redemption on his end.
Inb4 he ends up being the one telling Peter that with great power comes great responsibility and Bobby gets mad again.
ThoseDeafMutes
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I'm expecting that if anything like that is attempted, Peter will start saying it and then Iron Man will finish with "comes great current squared times resistance".
I want this to happen now
ShinoguTakeruKoeru
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Something tells me that certain people are really going to get hung up on the fact that Daniel Bruhl doesn't look like either Russo Brother. XD
It was a cute use of director cameo, certain would have been better served for the storytelling to get somebody in that stock footage who looked more like Zemo.
On the other end you can see how that logic falls apart if the film went with WTF THE DOCTOR WE ORDERED JUST HAPPENED TO LOOK LIKE ZEMO. I mean, if the guy can falsify legal documentation and track down underground Hydra operatives from decades past to uncover covert assassin intel, is it that far a stretch to believe he could falsify documents to infiltrate the good guys?
I certainly was pleasantly surprised that Marvel finally raked their Golden Boy through the coals, and look, Stark's better for it after the events of this film. For all people get annoyed over the overabundance of witty banter, we all still like Iron Man.
As much as Civil War is the culmination for everything Cap's been through, it's almost equally so for Tony Stark. I've wondered if Marvel ever considered calling this Iron Man: Civil War for the "First Avenger"-named markets.
No need to recite the Power and Responsibility line. Spidey made it clear in his answer to Stark that he knows, AND HE USED NEITHER WORD IN HIS DIALOGUE. My favorite thing. Well, besides "I got... homework!" Parker such a lovable kid and then BOOM YOU DON'T SAY SHIT TO AUNT MAY ABOUT MY CRIMEFIGHTING.
"No...leave the suit on...."
Can i get a pm too
Sephiroth503
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I really enjoyed it, lots to ponder on. Everyone loses really. Avengers fractured, Cap on the run leaving some of his friends to be arrested and made criminals, Tony at rock bottom having lost almost everything. I liked that Rhodey still believes in his decision at the end, reinforces that each character made their own choice.
I'm still #TeamIronMan after the film, I lean to the must be accountable side of the argument and appreciate the films efforts of portraying Tony as someone trying to keep them altogether as the Accords still allow them to be heroes, just with limits, whereas not accepting the Accords makes it illegal. The Accords would have come into effect in any case, the team were essentially being offered the opportunity to review it before it came into force.
I found Cap's attitude to the Accords a bit disappointing. He essentially still wanted to operate without supervision, as a private police force to go anywhere and do anything. He's stubborn, it's a character flaw and the film rolls with it but the whole time I'm watching it and I'm thinking "Cooler heads need to prevail here, 100 and something countries want your team to be answerable to the UN, they're not stopping you from being heroes" The argument is framed about needing to be responsible for their own actions, but to me with the Accords is does make them responsible as they have to then answer to someone when things go wrong. Can't remember the exact line in the film but someone says "Avengers show up, defeat the bad guys and wreck the place, then leave. No accountability" Something like that anyway.
Final scenes were brutal, especially watching Bucky straight up murder the Starks. Emotions running so high and I was just waiting for shit to go down. Have to think a bit more about my feelings on Cap and Tony in those scenes.
I'm still #TeamIronMan after the film, I lean to the must be accountable side of the argument and appreciate the films efforts of portraying Tony as someone trying to keep them altogether as the Accords still allow them to be heroes, just with limits, whereas not accepting the Accords makes it illegal. The Accords would have come into effect in any case, the team were essentially being offered the opportunity to review it before it came into force.
I found Cap's attitude to the Accords a bit disappointing. He essentially still wanted to operate without supervision, as a private police force to go anywhere and do anything. He's stubborn, it's a character flaw and the film rolls with it but the whole time I'm watching it and I'm thinking "Cooler heads need to prevail here, 100 and something countries want your team to be answerable to the UN, they're not stopping you from being heroes" The argument is framed about needing to be responsible for their own actions, but to me with the Accords is does make them responsible as they have to then answer to someone when things go wrong. Can't remember the exact line in the film but someone says "Avengers show up, defeat the bad guys and wreck the place, then leave. No accountability" Something like that anyway.
Final scenes were brutal, especially watching Bucky straight up murder the Starks. Emotions running so high and I was just waiting for shit to go down. Have to think a bit more about my feelings on Cap and Tony in those scenes.
ArtHands
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I am glad at the ending too.
When BvS 2nd trailer revealed Doomsday, everyone knew how that movie was going to end. There are some who defended that, saying how Civil War is going to end with both sides shaking hand and uniting against Zemo too.
Fortunately we got a very unexpected ending. Half of the Avengers went into exile, Bucky loses his metal arm and kept in Wakanda etc. Marvel really schooled DC in terms of this.
When BvS 2nd trailer revealed Doomsday, everyone knew how that movie was going to end. There are some who defended that, saying how Civil War is going to end with both sides shaking hand and uniting against Zemo too.
Fortunately we got a very unexpected ending. Half of the Avengers went into exile, Bucky loses his metal arm and kept in Wakanda etc. Marvel really schooled DC in terms of this.
The Russos like to give misleading trailers, they did the same thing for Winter Soldier.
Was the trailer really misleading? I mean, the first trailer ends with Bucky&Cap vs. Iron Man, and that's what we got.
ClosingADoor
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I thought Cap's reasoning was pretty good. Like Spider-Man said also, if you have this power and don't use it, you are responsible. What if there is a situation somewhere and the UN doesn't sign off on it? Or what if the UN demands they do something they don't agree with? Cap can't let that happen, it would go against everything he stands for.
There is no clear answer here, which I liked in the movie. Good arguments can be made for both sides.
The Hermit
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They don't hide the obvious: Bucky is Winter Soldier or Bucky+Cap vs Iron Man.
But they hide the plot point: Project Insight or Zemo's actual scheme
No heroes died or fake-died in this and it had more emotional impact than anything in BvS. I actually laughed in the cinema as I realized that yes, they are committed to shoehorning the full Death of Superman into this abomination.
I don't think I can let this go. Prior to MoS I was all aboard the DC hypetrain and ready to tear up my shill cheque from Marvel but DC keep snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
I don't think I can let this go. Prior to MoS I was all aboard the DC hypetrain and ready to tear up my shill cheque from Marvel but DC keep snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Saw it this morning. I liked it.
Stand out scene for me was at the end with Zemo talking to T'Challa. Holy shit they both knocked it out of the park in that scene. Really made me feel for Zemo and glad that Marvel finally seemed to have made a more greyish villain. But then they had to ruin it by showing him in a maximum security cell, having him be taunted and of course the trademark evil smile, "Remember guys, he's the villain". Goddamnit Marvel, was the only thing I could think of.
Thought RDJ delivered a fantastic Stark in this film. Really elevated Tony to the next level in my opinion.
But damn this was the worst performance of Chris Evans as Steve so far for me. Incredibly one note, unsympathetic. Got out-acted in almost every scene he shared, pretty disappointed by that because it's his film.
But the rest was really well done. It leaves the characters in interesting places and I'm looking forward to the other films. For me personally this wasn't on the same level as Winter Soldier but still a really enjoyable film.
Stand out scene for me was at the end with Zemo talking to T'Challa. Holy shit they both knocked it out of the park in that scene. Really made me feel for Zemo and glad that Marvel finally seemed to have made a more greyish villain. But then they had to ruin it by showing him in a maximum security cell, having him be taunted and of course the trademark evil smile, "Remember guys, he's the villain". Goddamnit Marvel, was the only thing I could think of.
Thought RDJ delivered a fantastic Stark in this film. Really elevated Tony to the next level in my opinion.
But damn this was the worst performance of Chris Evans as Steve so far for me. Incredibly one note, unsympathetic. Got out-acted in almost every scene he shared, pretty disappointed by that because it's his film.
But the rest was really well done. It leaves the characters in interesting places and I'm looking forward to the other films. For me personally this wasn't on the same level as Winter Soldier but still a really enjoyable film.
I think anyone who has had a fight with their friend know how devastating losing a friend can be. Especially if you used to rely on them to back you up. It stings even more than losing a BF/GF because with them at least you can still say "let's stay friends". Which is why the ending was very effective to me. Nothing cuts deeper than the realisation that your friend has completely ignored your feeling/grief while he backs another friend of his. I can't blame Tony for feeling bitter.
DeviantBoi
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I thought he was gonna kill Tony. When he lifted his shield and then immediately you see Tony's face, I thought that was it for him - beheaded by shield.
Only after Cap disabled the arc reactor did I think that of course Cap wouldn't kill anyone like that, much less Tony.
Gaiaknight
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would anyone be able to PM the link to the leaked airport fight scene?
ArtHands
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I think its more of them being able to hide the ending of the movie. They didn't lead the audience to think of anything in regard to the ending.
Wandas's life:
Parents get killed by a Stark bomb while she and the brother waits death staring at the logo.
Gets experimented on by a crazy scientist.
Is manipulated by Ultron and helps him almost destroy the world.
Decides to give the avengers a chance and switch sides. Brother is killed.
Decides to give the avengers a chance and go on missions. Kills innocent people.
Decides to give love a chance and want to make food for robot fling. Is placed on house arrest by robot fling.
Take a stand and help captain America. Is put on a straight jacket and possibly drugged the hell out of her mind on comic book guantanamo.
Is now a fugitive.
Parents get killed by a Stark bomb while she and the brother waits death staring at the logo.
Gets experimented on by a crazy scientist.
Is manipulated by Ultron and helps him almost destroy the world.
Decides to give the avengers a chance and switch sides. Brother is killed.
Decides to give the avengers a chance and go on missions. Kills innocent people.
Decides to give love a chance and want to make food for robot fling. Is placed on house arrest by robot fling.
Take a stand and help captain America. Is put on a straight jacket and possibly drugged the hell out of her mind on comic book guantanamo.
Is now a fugitive.
I'm still gathering my thoughts on it having seen it just a short while ago. How they managed to take so many characters, plots and backgrounds and not only make sense of it all, but fit it together so cohesively is nothing short of a miracle.
I can't believe how good it was, and at the moment am just so damn happy it exists.
I can't believe how good it was, and at the moment am just so damn happy it exists.
Taking your time with 10 other films is what made it possible
It is so much better than the two Avengers movies though. They had similiar opportunity to work as well as Civil War. They didn't. They had enough time to make each character a worthwhile addition. They didn't.
In fact one of the weakest things about CW came from those previous movies, the civilian death toll. Laughably low for what happened and hardly shown in those movies.
Civil War could've gone SO wrong. That it didn't wasn't all because of the movies ciming before. I mean, imagine Avengers Cap wearing the Cap 1 suit trying to pull of this movie *shudders*
Boss Doggie
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Yeah the whole "Zemo managed to do all of this" is still the one that bugs me.
And again, Clint becoming an asshole was so out of character for his movie version.
And again, Clint becoming an asshole was so out of character for his movie version.
Blackpanther25
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Just finished watching the movie in japan.
Man they did blackpanther right.
Man they did blackpanther right.
Why did everyone just call him Clint in this movie, anyway? Hawkeye too dumb of a name?
Only good moment with him was when Black Panther ethered him, LOL.
Didn't they all call each other by their real names?
You mean their real names like "arrow man," "underoos," and "Manchurian Candidate," LOL.
What I remember from the movie is Hawkeye going to get Wanda so she could help Cap, him helping Cap at airport, then bitching at Iron Man for siding with the government and jailing Avengers after airport.
I need a re-watch for sure, but what part of this is him being an asshole?
YesNOnoNOYes
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Perfect Setup to let her loose it
i wish she'd lose it for a bit. they treat her like some kind of delicate flower a lot in civ war
black widow, on the other hand.... i love her, just love her. sharon carter was cute too. and that bodyguard lady of t'challa was just smokingggg.
BronsonLee
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Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
His whole triad against Iron Man felt so out of character from him. Usually he's calm, snarky but usually approachable.
WadiumArcadium
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I think Clint found he was really shitty at golf and it made him angry at the world.
BronsonLee
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Dude he was in jail
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