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Captain America: Civil War SPOILER Thread - #TeamThanos

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I thought Jane was gone already with all the "she's such a famous astronomer now travelling the world"


Watch her return as
Red Skull

I thought it was really bizzare how they even bothered to explain her absence in the first Avengers movie.

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Agent Coulson: Don't worry. We've had Miss Foster relocated to a remote-

Thor: Phil, nobody gives a fuck mate.
 
So for people who know, compared to the comics how much of Zemo is the character they called Zemo in the film? He's supposed to be a dude with a sword and a purple mask stuck to his face, right?
 
Oh, shoot. There was a second credits scene now? What was it?

Spider-Man with a wrist-mounted Spider-Bat-Signal, that looked like a computer device of sorts. I guess Tony Stark gave it to him.

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, but with small app-like symbols surrounding it, in a circle.

There's also some dialogue with him talking to Aunt May about how he got beaten up by a dude called Steve and his big friend Scott (Captain America and Ant-Man).
 
I really liked this movie. Best MCU movie for me. No deaths was really disappointing and Zemo was meh.

Who is the Woman he was talking to?

I don't think he was talking to anyone.

Sounded like the last message his wife sent him before she, his dad and his child got killed, and he just keeps listening to it.
 
Funny thing: in my theatre everyone was seriously horrified when Zemo revealed to Stark that Bucky killed his parents. They went "FUCK!", "Ah shit", "What an ass". I guess they realised at that point that the situation is about to become even more fucked up than they already are.
 
I really don't mind there being no deaths. Mainly because;

1) What happened to Rhodey was super messed up and will haunt Vision
2) If Cap had died it would have lent a more peaceful resolution to his and Tony's qualms; the way they left things was so much worse

That fight at the end killed me though. There's no reason for it; it's absolutely pointless. It's got nothing to do with the Accords, it won't help or bring back the Starks, it's just pure rage and frustration as Tony and Steve's relationship crumbles.
 
Funny thing: in my theatre everyone was seriously horrified when Zemo revealed to Stark that Bucky killed his parents. They went "FUCK!", "Ah shit", "What an ass". I guess they realised at that point that the situation is about to become even more fucked up than they already are.

That was a predictable, easy eye-roll revelation until Stark said "I don't care, he killed my mom", then I was on-board. That really stripped away the artifice of it all.
 
After ant man I love how Marvel used that de aging effect again. There's still a slight uncanny valley effect to it, but it still looks extremely impressive.
 
Funny thing: in my theatre everyone was seriously horrified when Zemo revealed to Stark that Bucky killed his parents. They went "FUCK!", "Ah shit", "What an ass". I guess they realised at that point that the situation is about to become even more fucked up than they already are.

Everyone who's been following these films pretty much immediately realized the 1992 mission revolved around the assassination of Stark's parents from the immediate opening right? Because the film itself seemed to be playing that as a major twist.

I was honestly surprised Tony didn't know how his parents really died, to be honest.
 
What happened to Rhodey, speaking purely in fictional character terms, is possibly worse than death.

Because now you have this character who is a living reminder that you can't just kiss and make up and everything will be all right. And who still thinks the accords are right, btw. Rhodey is basically there to ensure that this is the status quo now.
 
Everyone who's been following these films pretty much immediately realized the 1992 mission was about assassinating Stark's parents from the immediate opening right? Because the film itself seemed to be playing that as a major twist.

I was honestly surprised Tony didn't know how his parents really died, to be honest.

Again, I really wish they hadn't revealed it in Winter Soldier, or at least played up Cap's crisis in whether to tell Tony or not. I honestly wondered up until that point whether he'd just missed the screen in Zola's lair.
 
That was a predictable, easy eye-roll revelation until Stark said "I don't care, he killed my mom", then I was on-board. That really stripped away the artifice of it all.

I think for us, it was predictable and we remember the plot from WS. But for average moviegoers, they likely consider it a new info or they had forgotten it and never expected it to be used to further drive chasm between the two. They probably expect Cap and Iron Man to work together and defeat Zemo at the end.
 
Is it standard assassin modus operandi to stare at and put a bullet into a camera after killing your targets? That's all ignoring that he chose to crash the car in a section of the road overlooked by a camera.

HYDRA already got the footage, no need to leave suspicious evidence at the crime scene. Investigators already have to believe that the steering wheel bludgeoned Howard Stark to death with multiple strikes, and that the dashboard choked his wife to death; don't add to the suspicion, Bucky.
 
I think for us, it was predictable and we remember the plot from WS. But for average moviegoers, they likely consider it a new info or they had forgotten it and never expected it to be used to further drive chasm between the two. They probably expect Cap and Iron Man to work together and defeat Zemo at the end.

Yep. And I think it works both ways. If you don't know the information, then it is a twist, but if you do know, then it is a ticking time bomb waiting to explode.
Either way, it adds something to the movie.
 
Cause everyone in the world can relate to that shit

I don't think anyone's going to give Tony grief for wanting to kill Bucky right then and there
Also how he didn't say "Dad"
Yep. And I think it works both ways. If you don't know the information, then it is a twist, but if you do know, then it is a ticking time bomb waiting to explode.
Either way, it adds something to the movie.
It's a speeding train rushing towards a broken bridge. You know it's coming, which actually makes it worse. No matter how much the Accords have messed with them, Rhodey gets taken out, Stark's still remarkably amenable to Cap/Bucky in the bunker, even joking toward Bucky hismelf. It makes it so much worse because you know what's going to happen next.

And Jesus is it painful. That backhand from Tony in the trailers looked fierce, and even more so in the film itself. And Tony wasn't just firing his repulsors at Cap's shield recreate a famous comic cover.
 
Again, I really wish they hadn't revealed it in Winter Soldier, or at least played up Cap's crisis in whether to tell Tony or not. I honestly wondered up until that point whether he'd just missed the screen in Zola's lair.

Totally agree, 100%.

Cause everyone in the world can relate to that shit

I don't think anyone's going to give Tony grief for wanting to kill Bucky right then and there

Bucky was taken against his will and brainwashed.

Chill, Stark.
 
Also how he didn't say "Dad"

That's a big part of it, I think. They make his rocky relationship with his dad very clear, so "Dad" isn't as impactful.

But then you have his innocent mother, who he surely dearly loved, and is sort of an innocent bystander in it all. And it's his mother, simply. That tugs at heart-strings.
 
Everyone who's been following these films pretty much immediately realized the 1992 mission revolved around the assassination of Stark's parents from the immediate opening right? Because the film itself seemed to be playing that as a major twist.

I was honestly surprised Tony didn't know how his parents really died, to be honest.

I think playing it as a twist has more payoff for the non-comic reader fans, much in the same way that the Bucky/Winter Soldier reveal was played in that film.
 
It's just simple isn't it? He's past the point of no return. It's a "the ring is mine" moment. All hope of reconciliation here is gone.

Cause everyone in the world can relate to that shit

I don't think anyone's going to give Tony grief for wanting to kill Bucky right then and there

True, but it wasn't just that. I specifically liked that it was his mom that he was upset about. We've had Tony in 5 movies and his dad always comes up, but I think this is the first time I remember hearing about his mom. There's something about his reaction to that that was a cool character moment.
 
Was thinking about that party scene in AoU with Tony, Rhodes, Thor and Maria Hill..Tony and Thor talking up how much better "my girl" is than the others. Perhaps both trying to one-up each other, while knowing that their relationships are on the rocks. Something that occurred to me once Pepper wasn't there in the beginning. Who knows..

You know, you're pretty much right. Also both being men with humongous........ er........ egos will always try to up one another

As a native NYer, shit was awesome..

Brooklin

Queens

CIVIL WAR

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She gets eaten by an alien.

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Also how he didn't say "Dad"

That's a big part of it, I think. They make his rocky relationship with his dad very clear.

But then you have his innocent mother, who he surely dearly loved, and is sort of an innocent bystander in it all. That tugs at heart-strings.

Yeah. We know his relationship with his dad was a bit rough, but he absolutely loved his mom. Didn't he name a few of the expos/grants after her?

Bucky was taken against his will and brainwashed.

Chill, Stark.

Yeah that shit doesn't work when you find out the dude 3 feet to your right choked your mother to death
 
I think playing it as a twist has more payoff for the non-comic reader fans, much in the same way that the Bucky/Winter Soldier reveal was played in that film.

I will always remember at the Winter Soldier premiere all the gasps with the identity reveal and I couldn't comprehend how it wasn't obvious.
 
I think if tony had simply found out about Bucky killing his parents he might be able to rationalize the brain washing thing but specifically seeing the footage of him choking his mom to death sent him over the edge.
 
Yeah that shit doesn't work when you find out the dude 3 feet to your right choked your mother to death

And your friend has been lying to you to protect him for years.

I wouldn't have blamed Tony if he set off a nuke right then and there.
 
I think if tony had simply found out about Bucky killing his parents he might be able to rationalize the brain washing thing but specifically seeing the footage of him choking his mom to death sent him over the edge.

Yeah.

That's why I thought that moment was so good. As rational as an argument for bringing Bucky in is, Stark saw him choke his mother to death. It transcends "do the right thing". It's "I don't care, I'm going to kill him".
 
Speaking of which, RDJ was really on point here. He totally sold that scene and the "holy fuck this guy almost shot me in the face" after he blocks Bucky's bullet with the watchtlet thingy.
 
I think if tony had simply found out about Bucky killing his parents he might be able to rationalize the brain washing thing but specifically seeing the footage of him choking his mom to death sent him over the edge.
It's the juxtaposition of everything really. He's been genuinely trying to bring Steve round to his side so desperately. He goes to Ross straight away when Bucky is vindicated. Then to find out that same guy, who he's kissing up to with JFK quills earlier, was keeping that from him?

This was such a fucking good movie.
 
Fuck, imagine if Tony had just straight up nuked Bucky in the face right after watching that and the final fight was just a drag out brawl with Cap and Tony
 
And your friend has been lying to you to protect him for years.

I wouldn't have blamed Tony if he set off a nuke right then and there.

Tony didn't know Bucky was directly know Bucky was responsible for their murder, did he? Only that Hydra was behind it? Maybe I have that wrong.

But yeah, Tony's response was justified in that moment. I would have just preferred it if the writers didn't throw the political/Sokovia story element to the wayside to make the entire final fight about something so unrelated.
 
Major Cons:

-Really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really hate the fact that Tony is now officially the creator of Spiderman’s costume. I guess Spiderman’s literal appearance is now nothing more but yet another ingenious creation of Tony Stark’s, patent pending. Hate that so much.

Overall, I had a fun time though!

He could've still designed it himself, stark was clearly impressed with the webbing and could've just given him access to a super advanced stark lab to build the suit with FRIDAY or whatever.

Also, T'Chaka.

Now in my limited knowledge of Black Panther, he had the mantle of Black Panther too, at a time, right?

The fact that they killed him by having some explosion trip him and cause heart failure felt like a weak death. Should have had him do some heroic shit, and sacrifice himself to save everyone else.

(sorry about the double post).

No, T'Challa says the mantle of BP is passed from warrior to warrior, but with the death of his father, he now also bears the mantle of king. Sounds like his father was just king.
BP in the comics is kinda chosen by the Panther God.
 
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