I thought it was really bizzare how they even bothered to explain her absence in the first Avengers movie.
Agent Coulson: Don't worry. We've had Miss Foster relocated to a remote-
Thor: Phil, nobody gives a fuck mate.
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I thought it was really bizzare how they even bothered to explain her absence in the first Avengers movie.
Agent Coulson: Don't worry. We've had Miss Foster relocated to a remote-
Thor: Phil, nobody gives a fuck mate.
Gordon Shumway
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As a native NYer, shit was awesome..
Thor 3 just got an upgrade.
but what about Kat Dennings?
The MCU won't shed a tear if she isnt in any more movies.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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She'll be in Black Panther; Darcy moved to Wakanda so she can say "meow meow!" all the time.
George Oscar Bluth II
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Orbis Tabula
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Oh, shoot. There was a second credits scene now? What was it?
broncobuster
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Thor 3 really should be R so they can finally show Stellan Skarsgård pecker. They got close in Thor 2.
Spider-Man with a wrist-mounted Spider-Bat-Signal, that looked like a computer device of sorts. I guess Tony Stark gave it to him.
There's also some dialogue with him talking to Aunt May about how he got beaten up by a dude called Steve and his big friend Scott (Captain America and Ant-Man).
Kenzodielocke
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I really liked this movie. Best MCU movie for me. No deaths was really disappointing and Zemo was meh.
Who is the Woman he was talking to?
Who is the Woman he was talking to?
I don't think he was talking to anyone.
Sounded like the last message his wife sent him before she, his dad and his child got killed, and he just keeps listening to it.
The true love interest of Thor.
Seriously, I was just saying in another thread how Thor's shared almost as many scenes with Selvig at this point as he has with Jane.
yes please
Gordon Shumway
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She broke..watch her in a box..
I will set your homes ablaze!! Shut the fuck up!!!!!!!!!!!
Funny thing: in my theatre everyone was seriously horrified when Zemo revealed to Stark that Bucky killed his parents. They went "FUCK!", "Ah shit", "What an ass". I guess they realised at that point that the situation is about to become even more fucked up than they already are.
peanutbutterlatte
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I really don't mind there being no deaths. Mainly because;
1) What happened to Rhodey was super messed up and will haunt Vision
2) If Cap had died it would have lent a more peaceful resolution to his and Tony's qualms; the way they left things was so much worse
That fight at the end killed me though. There's no reason for it; it's absolutely pointless. It's got nothing to do with the Accords, it won't help or bring back the Starks, it's just pure rage and frustration as Tony and Steve's relationship crumbles.
1) What happened to Rhodey was super messed up and will haunt Vision
2) If Cap had died it would have lent a more peaceful resolution to his and Tony's qualms; the way they left things was so much worse
That fight at the end killed me though. There's no reason for it; it's absolutely pointless. It's got nothing to do with the Accords, it won't help or bring back the Starks, it's just pure rage and frustration as Tony and Steve's relationship crumbles.
That was a predictable, easy eye-roll revelation until Stark said "I don't care, he killed my mom", then I was on-board. That really stripped away the artifice of it all.
Orbis Tabula
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Yeah, I really liked that response and I can't put in to words why.
peanutbutterlatte
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It's just simple isn't it? He's past the point of no return. It's a "the ring is mine" moment. All hope of reconciliation here is gone.
Everyone who's been following these films pretty much immediately realized the 1992 mission revolved around the assassination of Stark's parents from the immediate opening right? Because the film itself seemed to be playing that as a major twist.
I was honestly surprised Tony didn't know how his parents really died, to be honest.
What happened to Rhodey, speaking purely in fictional character terms, is possibly worse than death.
Because now you have this character who is a living reminder that you can't just kiss and make up and everything will be all right. And who still thinks the accords are right, btw. Rhodey is basically there to ensure that this is the status quo now.
Because now you have this character who is a living reminder that you can't just kiss and make up and everything will be all right. And who still thinks the accords are right, btw. Rhodey is basically there to ensure that this is the status quo now.
peanutbutterlatte
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Again, I really wish they hadn't revealed it in Winter Soldier, or at least played up Cap's crisis in whether to tell Tony or not. I honestly wondered up until that point whether he'd just missed the screen in Zola's lair.
I think for us, it was predictable and we remember the plot from WS. But for average moviegoers, they likely consider it a new info or they had forgotten it and never expected it to be used to further drive chasm between the two. They probably expect Cap and Iron Man to work together and defeat Zemo at the end.
Is it standard assassin modus operandi to stare at and put a bullet into a camera after killing your targets? That's all ignoring that he chose to crash the car in a section of the road overlooked by a camera.
HYDRA already got the footage, no need to leave suspicious evidence at the crime scene. Investigators already have to believe that the steering wheel bludgeoned Howard Stark to death with multiple strikes, and that the dashboard choked his wife to death; don't add to the suspicion, Bucky.
HYDRA already got the footage, no need to leave suspicious evidence at the crime scene. Investigators already have to believe that the steering wheel bludgeoned Howard Stark to death with multiple strikes, and that the dashboard choked his wife to death; don't add to the suspicion, Bucky.
BronsonLee
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Cause everyone in the world can relate to that shit
I don't think anyone's going to give Tony grief for wanting to kill Bucky right then and there
Yep. And I think it works both ways. If you don't know the information, then it is a twist, but if you do know, then it is a ticking time bomb waiting to explode.
Either way, it adds something to the movie.
peanutbutterlatte
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Also how he didn't say "Dad"
It's a speeding train rushing towards a broken bridge. You know it's coming, which actually makes it worse. No matter how much the Accords have messed with them, Rhodey gets taken out, Stark's still remarkably amenable to Cap/Bucky in the bunker, even joking toward Bucky hismelf. It makes it so much worse because you know what's going to happen next.
And Jesus is it painful. That backhand from Tony in the trailers looked fierce, and even more so in the film itself. And Tony wasn't just firing his repulsors at Cap's shield recreate a famous comic cover.
Totally agree, 100%.
Bucky was taken against his will and brainwashed.
Chill, Stark.
That's a big part of it, I think. They make his rocky relationship with his dad very clear, so "Dad" isn't as impactful.
But then you have his innocent mother, who he surely dearly loved, and is sort of an innocent bystander in it all. And it's his mother, simply. That tugs at heart-strings.
#TeamBuckySucks
The Outsider
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I think playing it as a twist has more payoff for the non-comic reader fans, much in the same way that the Bucky/Winter Soldier reveal was played in that film.
Orbis Tabula
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True, but it wasn't just that. I specifically liked that it was his mom that he was upset about. We've had Tony in 5 movies and his dad always comes up, but I think this is the first time I remember hearing about his mom. There's something about his reaction to that that was a cool character moment.
You know, you're pretty much right. Also both being men with humongous........ er........ egos will always try to up one another
Brooklin
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She gets eaten by an alien.
BronsonLee
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Yeah. We know his relationship with his dad was a bit rough, but he absolutely loved his mom. Didn't he name a few of the expos/grants after her?
Yeah that shit doesn't work when you find out the dude 3 feet to your right choked your mother to death
Haloid1177
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I will always remember at the Winter Soldier premiere all the gasps with the identity reveal and I couldn't comprehend how it wasn't obvious.
peanutbutterlatte
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Pretty much. It's a totally irrational and emotional response, and yet a totally justifiable one.
And your friend has been lying to you to protect him for years.
I wouldn't have blamed Tony if he set off a nuke right then and there.
Yeah.
That's why I thought that moment was so good. As rational as an argument for bringing Bucky in is, Stark saw him choke his mother to death. It transcends "do the right thing". It's "I don't care, I'm going to kill him".
peanutbutterlatte
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It's the juxtaposition of everything really. He's been genuinely trying to bring Steve round to his side so desperately. He goes to Ross straight away when Bucky is vindicated. Then to find out that same guy, who he's kissing up to with JFK quills earlier, was keeping that from him?
This was such a fucking good movie.
BronsonLee
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Fuck, imagine if Tony had just straight up nuked Bucky in the face right after watching that and the final fight was just a drag out brawl with Cap and Tony
Tony didn't know Bucky was directly know Bucky was responsible for their murder, did he? Only that Hydra was behind it? Maybe I have that wrong.
But yeah, Tony's response was justified in that moment. I would have just preferred it if the writers didn't throw the political/Sokovia story element to the wayside to make the entire final fight about something so unrelated.
Reizo Ryuu
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He could've still designed it himself, stark was clearly impressed with the webbing and could've just given him access to a super advanced stark lab to build the suit with FRIDAY or whatever.
No, T'Challa says the mantle of BP is passed from warrior to warrior, but with the death of his father, he now also bears the mantle of king. Sounds like his father was just king.
BP in the comics is kinda chosen by the Panther God.
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