PhoncipleBone
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He will just get spanked by Cate Blanchett.
That actually sounds pretty hot.
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Captain America: Civil War SPOILER Thread - #TeamThanos
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That actually sounds pretty hot.
Funny thing to complain considering they used Berlin to shoot what supposed to be Bucharest city street and apartment complex. I mean this in itself should have signal anyone that this is a film that doesn't take real world places literally.
PhoncipleBone
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Holy crap, that would make too much sense.
Funny thing to complain considering they used Berlin to shoot what supposed to be Bucharest city street and apartment complex. I mean this in itself should have signal anyone that this is a film that doesn't take real world places literally.
The "Bucharest" > Berlin transition was confusing as someone living in Berlin. German SpecOps in Bucharest? They could have made that all Berlin from the beginning (Bucky hiding in Berlin).
Just watched it again. That first hour really could have been condensed. It doesn't help that the action scenes were pretty meh. The film definitely picks up once Bucky gets brainwashed / the Spider-Man scene that follows. After that everything people hyped up lived up to expectations.
I think the intention was to show that Bucky was actually in another country that he knows well (Bucharest) when the Vienna bombing happened. But yeah, the setting definitely will confuse people.
Also, they should have had the logo on the police vest written as "POLITIA" instead of "POLIZEI", if he's meant to be in Bucharest. Then people who knows will understand that those are Romanian police trying to catch Bucky. Then when he's transferred to Germany, we know it's an extradition. But yeah I don't think the set people were that fussy about location. And those who live outside Europe probably don't know/care either.
MightyKAC
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So I just got home from watching the movie (fucking loved it BTW) and 2 things stick out in my mind:
#1. Was the chase scene with Bucky, Cap and Panther great up until the part where the three of them start OUTRUNNING FUCKING CARS?
#2. Cap could have killed Tony but didn't. If the situation were reversed would Tony have showed Cap mercy?
#1. Was the chase scene with Bucky, Cap and Panther great up until the part where the three of them start OUTRUNNING FUCKING CARS?
#2. Cap could have killed Tony but didn't. If the situation were reversed would Tony have showed Cap mercy?
Those three are super soldiers. They should at least be running at 60 km/h if not more. Of course, a car at full speed is always going to be faster.
Cap did 26mph n winter soldier without effort. Most roads in Europe like the one where the scene took place have a 50 or 70 km/h speed limit. 26 mph translates to roughly 40km/h, so it's not entirely impossible for super soldiers to break 50km/h with some effort, 70 seems a little less likely, but still not impossible.
City limits (e.g. Berlin) are 50 (60) km/h and 30 km/k. So with 30 km/h it's not that far of.
Yeah. I chuckled a bit when the cuts made them seem like a blur, looked incredibly fast.
The one part they should have cut out was the apartment stairs fight with special forces, it went on for too long and didn't add anything.
You know, I was thinking, if Spider-Man was not introduced in Civil War but instead on its own movie, and then making his second appearance here (Kind of like Ant-Man), would Civil War be as well reviewed? I feel like Spider-Man inclusion is giving the movie extra points because of how awesome, close to the comics and fresh it felt compared to the other takes on the character.
Well Batfleck being well received didn't save BvS
peanutbutterlatte
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"The action scenes were pretty meh"
Did... Did people fall asleep during or something? I don't even know how... I don't even... What!?
Did... Did people fall asleep during or something? I don't even know how... I don't even... What!?
Sure, but I don't know why you are comparing them.
What I mean is that CW is a great movie, but the feeling of excitement was heavily heightened by the expectation of Spider-Man, to the point that people who would give the movie a 9, would give it a 10. A lot of people who are critical to the movie say stuff like "It was ok, but OMG SPIDERMAN YESSSSS"
I think this is what the MCU does well, it keeps you curious and hungry for more. So what I am saying is that the addition of Spider-Man elevated a really good movie into a great movie.
yeah i made a comment in the review thread about how good every hit sounded in the cinema. crazy satisfying. shame about the score tho :/
So civil war is bloated, yet you wanted *more* exposition to explain in detail why every filler hero turned up to fight? Can't we leave some of that in the background and assume they had a lengthy chat with cap at some point?
peanutbutterlatte
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The score's so bad. I remember reading an interview with Henry Jackman where he was asked what it felt like to be giving Spidey his audio entrance into the MCU, and his answer was so bloody uninterested. Sigh.
Still that Alt J song was great.
Still that Alt J song was great.
Yautja_Warrior
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Going to watch it again today, see if my opinion changes at all, but it was a solid 9/10 for me Friday night, I absolutely loved it and so did my friends.
It's definitely up there as one of the best Marvel movies, the plot isn't quite as tight as Winter Soldier but the pure fun of this movie still makes it bloody brilliant and extremely entertaining.
The fact Spider-Man was done so well, Marvel makes him feel fresh and fun again, also makes it one of my favourite MCU movies.
It's definitely up there as one of the best Marvel movies, the plot isn't quite as tight as Winter Soldier but the pure fun of this movie still makes it bloody brilliant and extremely entertaining.
The fact Spider-Man was done so well, Marvel makes him feel fresh and fun again, also makes it one of my favourite MCU movies.
Should have out some of that tech into War Machine..
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Spiderman 2 had the most appropriate Spiderman themeing.
Just look at this intro: https://youtu.be/SJ5Irvc4Je8?t=99
10/10.
Mr.Fletcher
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When Tony was watching his parents being murdered it broke my heart. We've been with these characters for so long - you really get invested.
Particularly after a stellar more understated performance from Downey throughout the film.
I was definitely on Tony's side at the end.
I'm not sure how Cap's ideals and morales align with his decision to hide the truth from Tony.
He then lies to his face about it seconds before he admits he knew it was Bucky all along.
I understand his justification, he was protecting his friend who wasn't in control of his own actions, but surely there was more of a middle ground than that?
His letter at the end just wasn't enough for me.
I hope we see the fallout from Cap's actions because I felt betrayed.
GentlemanCrow
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Nope. At no point did I say that. Just axe those characters.
shaky cam. especially in the beginning of the movie destroyed all the amazing action scenes for me. You can't concentrate on anything on the screen, camera goes left-right-up-down without the possibility to really see what happens. I understand that it can be used to show how intense a fight is..but SO MUCH. nope.. Luckily it gets better in the last third of the movie.
nope. #teamironman
Fuck that it was awesome then led to the even more awesome Panther entrance.
Well Hawkeye murdered people while under Loki's mindcontrol and nobody brings that up.
And... Bucky isn't protected by Cap. His old pal Steve from Brooklyn has his back.
Interestingly enough while the clash between Steve and Tony in Civil war causes the break up of the avengers, in BvS it actually is the stimulus to formation of Justice League. Very cool contrast parallel. Consequences.
But then it'd be even less civil war-y, you'd just have a couple of heroes on each side tag teaming.
Saw it last night, I honestly preferred BvS. Civil war was 'ok'. It didn't really get going for me, Spiderman was the highlight of the movie.
But everything was turned down a few notches from WS, I didn't feel as if there was a civil war, just a few scuffles. Airport fight felt flat, an empty hanger for a duel?
Maybe it's MCU fatigue, I don't know.
5/10
But everything was turned down a few notches from WS, I didn't feel as if there was a civil war, just a few scuffles. Airport fight felt flat, an empty hanger for a duel?
Maybe it's MCU fatigue, I don't know.
5/10
longdi
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Cap was the ass in the end.
Tony did the right thing. He was always willing to give Cap another chance and even flew all the way Siberia to give Cap a hand despite his own hand injury.
Bitchy Cap tried to decapitate him in the end.
Stilton Disco
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I've seen it twice now in the last two days, screenings have been sold out both times, and I'll be seeing it twice more this weekend as there's a bank holiday tomorrow and my fiancée is obsessed with marvel movies.
Really, it's a fantastic film, better than WS, just a damned masterpiece of Superheroe fiction with the best action scenes of any of these kind of movies, An easy 9/10 for me.
I do wish they'd shown Black Widow with Cap at the end though. She'd wound up on the shit list after helping him escape at the airport, and it'd make a hell of a lot more sense for him to have broken everyone out of The Raft with her help than just on his lonesome.
Really, it's a fantastic film, better than WS, just a damned masterpiece of Superheroe fiction with the best action scenes of any of these kind of movies, An easy 9/10 for me.
I do wish they'd shown Black Widow with Cap at the end though. She'd wound up on the shit list after helping him escape at the airport, and it'd make a hell of a lot more sense for him to have broken everyone out of The Raft with her help than just on his lonesome.
I've been in Tony's position minus the dead parents issues so I completely understand his POV. Cap feels like an asshole in this for me even if I understand his motives.
He flew to Siberia because of his guilt for being part of the reason his friends are in jail and for being wrong about Bucky. Everything Tony does in this is fueled by his guilt for the things he has done.
I don't think he was wrong about trying to kill Bucky considering he just watched him murder his parents on TV. I doubt I'd care about brainwashing either.
Actually the entire airport was used for the royale rumble.
I'm not sure how that's a negative when BvS has fights in an empty area too.
I don't agree. Cap was not the ass, he was just trying to do what he thought was best in a bad situation. What did you expect him to do? Let Tony kill Bucky out of emotion? That wouldn't make any sense and wouldn't make anything better. It was clear that after the video he wasn't being rational anymore. I think it is -understandable- why, but that doesn't mean that stopping him wasn't the right thing to do. If Steve just stepped aside and said "go ahead, take your revenge", and let Tony kill Bucky, the outcome would have been worse because he would have instantly regretted it and blame Steve for not stopping him.
If Captain America wanted to decapitate Iron Man, he would have. He didn't. No one wanted the fight at the end. Emotions just override common sense.
longdi
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Same here, MCU fatigue. As long as Marvel Studios wants to keep things family friendly with a big set-piece fight in between, i find the genre stagnating. I love the comics book orchestrated fights but we need to go deeper into their characterization, have higher stakes and repercussions at hand. Re-introduce bad guys that really rekt shit up and have a longer after-effect.
Avengers is like a soap opera now, Cap and Tony being a couple at odds. In AoU, they had a quarrel, in CW, it moved into some nails and scratches scuffle. But things kept getting patched up at the end of these movies.
Imo we need some TDK sombre endings. #grimdarkMCU
Boogalogist
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I can finally join this thread after watching the movie. Oh..my...what is going on in this thread?
I loved it. Caps...always the better man. Time to catch up on the whole thread.
I loved it. Caps...always the better man. Time to catch up on the whole thread.
Glass Rebel
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Here we go with the steaks again.
They are delicious.
To add something to the conversation. I'll say I relate with Cap more by the end of the movie, Iron Man was willing to kill Bucky even knowing it was not his fault, and letting the guy who planned everything just go away.
I'll agree that the letter at the end really undermined the story arc, pretty much making the movie feel a bit pointless, since it pretty much spells it out for the moviegoers that everything is going to be fine and all the events was just a minor issue that is already in the past.
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