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[Blade30]

I understand logistically it might be an issue. It's that, watching the film, I understand much more now why they decision was made to kill Captain America after Civil War in the comics. Severing that ability to reconcile gives the events of their feud a permanence.

Even failing that they could have had Tony burn Steve's letter before reading. But to have him read it just shows that there isn't an impossible to cross chasm between them. They've already started the process of reconciliation.

Now that is just going too far. Tony isn't an asshole.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

No.

Read it again?

Burning his letter would have been so fucking petty though. Like, why even need that?

 

[hamchan]

I could see Tony burning the letter because he would be afraid Rhodey would have a mental breakdown when he finds out Cap's true feelings about him.

Wait.

 

[longdi]

Why does it have to be horrific though? A situation can be bad without being horrific. That doesn't make it a happy ending.

Yes it does not need to be horrific but at the same time I felt the impact of this CW fallout wasnt presented as bad as what the fans are saying.

I didn't really felt the animosity between characters, or even just between Cap and Tony, besides that raged finale. Everyone seems like having a friendly spar to show off their gimmicks.

When Tony ignored Ross call, just like what he said he would do at the raft before knowing the truth of his parents death, I take it that nothing has changed for him, a little bruised but still the IM character we know and loved.

 

[Replicant]

I understand logistically it might be an issue. It's that, watching the film, I understand much more now why they decision was made to kill Captain America after Civil War in the comics. Severing that ability to reconcile gives the events of their feud a permanence.

Even failing that they could have had Tony burn Steve's letter before reading. But to have him read it just shows that there isn't an impossible to cross chasm between them. They've already started the process of reconciliation.

That comic was likely the reason why we get this ending. Cap's death in that one ruined IM's character in the eyes of the fans and caused damage to the brand. And he wasn't even the one who killed Cap!

I wouldn't mind if Tony burned the letter after reading it or rising the phone away but eh, it's such a miniscule detail. We know Tony has too much ego that he won't call even if he needs help. Cap is likely the one who has to reach out again.

 

[Alienous]

Burning his letter would have been so fucking petty though. Like, why even need that?

It would have been a "no, Cap, fuck you". A phone ringing and not being answered. You know, that "I wonder if they'll ever be able to get through to one another?". Lingering resentment that might cause someone to do something petty.

Otherwise they've started reconciling, and unless another massive event drives a wedge between them it's reasonable to assume that they'll continue reconciling.

 

[Blade30]

Yes it does not need to be horrific but at the same time I felt the impact of this CW fallout wasnt presented as bad as what the fans are saying.

I didn't really felt the animosity between characters, or even just between Cap and Tony, besides that raged finale. Everyone seems like having a friendly spar to show off their gimmicks.

Honestly I expected a bit more hostility between the characters, so I agree with you on that point, but seeing the movie there didn't need to be animosity between them. Tony was just trying to stop and catch them and Cap was only trying to go to that hidden base in syberia, there was no feud between them.

 

[Broken Joystick]

Rhodey's robo leg is totally leading into true Bleeding Edge armour, right?

 

[neorej]

It would have been a "no, Cap, fuck you". A phone ringing and not being answered. You know, that "I wonder if they'll ever be able to get through to one another?". Lingering resentment that might cause someone to do something petty.

Otherwise they've started reconciling, and unless another massive event drives a wedge between them it's reasonable to assume that they'll continue reconciling.

What it shows is that Tony, after years of being confident that he's doing the right thing in all his arrogance, had to admit that he was wrong. After the dust settled he knows Bucky wasn't to blame for his mother's death (nice touch BTW to show he didn't care for his father), and he comes back to what he realized earlier; he needs Cap n his team.

 

[Replicant]

I could see Tony burning the letter because he would be afraid Rhodey would have a mental breakdown when he finds out Cap's true feelings about him.

Wait.

Accurate poster for this dramedy:

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

We need an "odd couple" comedy starring Bucky and Falcon.

COLD SHOULDER

 

[Theecliff]

eh, i thought the big airport standoff started with a little sparring but i thought it was such a great action scene because of how it started spiralling out of control. people suddenly stopped trying to subdue each other and started throwing vehicles at each other, giant man appeared, vision dropped that tower down and then his infinity stone shot at sam ended the whole thing. hell, sam would have probably ended up immediately dead if he hadn't have dodged that.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

eh, i thought the big airport standoff started with a little sparring but i thought it was such a great action scene because of how it started spiralling out of control. people suddenly stopped trying to subdue each other and started throwing vehicles at each other, giant man appeared, vision dropped that tower down and then his infinity stone shot at sam ended the whole thing.

Wait wait I hadn't even thought about this, Vision's beam shot destroyed Rhodey's armour and paralysed him, what the hell would have happened to Falcon if he hadn't missed?
It's like taking down a zombie with a BFG

Going to see this for a second time today and I'm arguably more excited than the first.

 

[Betty]

Wait wait I hadn't even thought about this, Vision's beam shot destroyed Rhodey's armour and paralysed him, what the hell would have happened to Falcon if he hadn't missed?

It's like taking down a zombie with a BFG

Pretty sure he was probably just aiming for Falcon's pack or wings.

 

[Renekton]

Wait wait I hadn't even thought about this, Vision's beam shot destroyed Rhodey's armour and paralysed him, what the hell would have happened to Falcon if he hadn't missed?

It's like taking down a zombie with a BFG

I think Vision was aiming at the Quinjet

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

Pretty sure he was probably just aiming for Falcon's pack or wings.

His aim ain't so good

 

[Houndi101]

His aim ain't so good

And due to that Warmachine didn't fly so good

 

[black070]

Impact Civil War leaves on the MCU:

- The Sokovia Accords exists
- A change in the Vision (?)
- Steve retiring the Captain America mantle
- Steve, Scott, Wanda, Clint and Sam fugitives (?)
- Bucky frozen in Wakanda without his metal arm
- Tony at his lowest
- Rhodes left paralysed
- Spiderman on the Avengers radar
- Natasha going against Tony and the Accords
- Zemo still alive

That's quite a few threads to leave hanging, and it'll be interesting to see how they continue them through the next few solo outings and ofcourse, Infinity War.

 

[kurahador]

Doctor Strange joining Avengers is going to be awkward.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

And I thought the Disney Ending thing was a joke...

 

[vareon]

Impact Civil War leaves on the MCU:

- The Sokovia Accords exists
- A change in the Vision (?)
- Steve retiring the Captain America mantle
- Steve, Scott, Wanda, Clint and Sam fugitives (?)
- Bucky frozen, without his metal arm in Wakanda
- Tony at his lowest
- Rhodes left paralysed
- Spiderman on the Avengers radar

That's quite a few threads to leave hanging, and it'll be interesting to see how they continue them through the next few solo outings and ofcourse, Infinity War.

What's cool is that the next immediate movie we're getting, Dr. Strange, seemingly had nothing to do with all this. So I really don't know what to expect (story wise) from the movie so it's really cool.

 

[black070]

Wait wait I hadn't even thought about this, Vision's beam shot destroyed Rhodey's armour and paralysed him, what the hell would have happened to Falcon if he hadn't missed?
It's like taking down a zombie with a BFG

Going to see this for a second time today and I'm arguably more excited than the first.

It was the fall that paralysed him, not the beam shot - and I think the point was Vision shouldn't be able to miss (or get distracted as they put it), it's addressed when they talk about it in the hospital.

 

[Theecliff]

Impact Civil War leaves on the MCU:

- The Sokovia Accords exists
- A change in the Vision (?)
- Steve retiring the Captain America mantle
- Steve, Scott, Wanda, Clint and Sam fugitives (?)
- Bucky frozen, without his metal arm in Wakanda
- Tony at his lowest
- Rhodes left paralysed
- Spiderman on the Avengers radar

That's quite a few threads to leave hanging, and it'll be interesting to see how they continue them through the next few solo outings and ofcourse, Infinity War.

^added to that, zemo is still alive and is of the opinion that he's won, and not only are sam, clint, wanda and scott fugitives, but from the prison visit scene, hate tony's guts.

so whilst the central conflict/butting of heads is between cap and tony, any arguments of reconciliation at the end through the letter doesn't extend to the other avengers members.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

What happened to Black Widow at the end of the movie ? I don't remember saw her

She was on Ironman (Sokovia Accords' side) when they came to blows but by the end of it, she 'betrayed' Black Panther and beseeched Tony to listen to Steve. So, after that, I think she made herself scarce.

I love how complex she is as a character, tbh.

:>

 

[Replicant]

His aim ain't so good

Do Androids Dream of Electric Boners?

 

[Alienous]

It was the fall that paralysed him, not the beam shot - and I think the point was Vision shouldn't be able to miss (or get distracted as they put it), it's addressed when they talk about it in the hospital.

Yeah.

Turns out zettai ryōiki is Vision's kryptonite.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Impact Civil War leaves on the MCU:

- The Sokovia Accords exists
- A change in the Vision (?)
- Steve retiring the Captain America mantle
- Steve, Scott, Wanda, Clint and Sam fugitives (?)
- Bucky frozen, without his metal arm in Wakanda
- Tony at his lowest
- Rhodes left paralysed
- Spiderman on the Avengers radar

That's quite a few threads to leave hanging, and it'll be interesting to see how they continue them through the next few solo outings and ofcourse, Infinity War.

Sounds like a Happy End I guess.

 

[Theecliff]

surely taking out falcon's jet from that height would have killed him if it had paralysed rhodey though? falcon barely has the same amount of armour/protection that war machine has.

 

[Alienous]

Sounds like a Happy End I guess.

Who is saying that?

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Who is saying that?

While I am not able to follow your logic that Steve and Tony are almost best bros again at the end of the movie, there where a couple of other people who claimed again that there are no stakes and the movie ends family friendly in the last pages.

 

[Callibretto]

surely taking out falcon's jet from that height would have killed him if it had paralysed rhodey though? falcon barely has the same amount of armour/protection that war machine has.

Rhodes mention to target the jetpack to make falcon glide down and not flying.

 

[Alienous]

I didn't say they are almost best bros.

Are you just taking from my opinion whatever you think you can marginalise and dismiss?

I'm saying that the rift between them is already healing.

 

[Donos]

did i see an other version? Cap freed the captives (wanda, Falcon etc). They showed that.

 

[Theecliff]

Rhodes mention to target the jetpack to make falcon glide down and not flying.

oh right, must have missed that! carry on then

 

[Sadist]

I didn't say they are almost best bros.

Are you just taking from my opinion whatever you think you can marginalise and dismiss?

I'm saying that the rift between them is already healing.

I think people are making fun of Longdi's happy Disney ending

 

[duckroll]

I really like Steve Roger's man out of time arc across the 3 films. His relationships with Peggy and Bucky, his place in the world, and how it all defines who he is. Civil War made it clear he couldn't move on romantically until Peggy was really gone. And that exchange he has with Bucky near the end... "They must be a hundred by now." "So are we buddy." it really killed me.

 

[neorej]

did i see an other version? Cap freed the captives (wanda, Falcon etc). They showed that.

They're still wanted criminals though.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

I didn't say they are almost best bros.

Are you just taking from my opinion whatever you think you can marginalise and dismiss?

I'm saying that the rift between them is already healing.

Maybe that is because they reconnected already when they wanted go in the base in Sibiria and Tony only fought Cap because the reveal let him went angry after all this shit what happened to him through the movie and the last years all the time. No need to break all bridges, unless Tony were a defiant child. I think he even feels bad for going that hard against him.

 

[Renekton]

Bucky's is also saddening.

His backpack in CW contains notebooks for jotting down random memories scattered by the mindwipes.

 

[Replicant]

I think in a way, Tony already got his revenge when he severed Bucky's arm. The very arm that killed his mother.

 

[Freewheelin']

Yeah Bucky and Steve's friendship across the 3 films really felt genuine to me

 

[neorej]

I think in a way, Tony already got his revenge when he severed Bucky's arm. The very arm that killed his mother.

Bucky choked her with his human arm, not the robot arm.

 

[Replicant]

Bucky choked her with his human arm, not the robot arm.

My bad. I thought it was with his robot arm. Still, I think that's a fair trade. Better than having another death on his conscience. And if he had killed Buck, he'd definitely lose Steve as well.

 

[Theecliff]

i thought the small subplot between vision and wanda was interesting and kinda tragic in the end too. wanda feeling responsible for the explosion at the beginning, vision warning wanda that people will see her as a monster if she is seen in public (especially if she uses her powers again), and then wanda choosing to defy vision and fight despite that. the last time we see her in the film she's sat silent in her cell in a straight jacket.

 

[duckroll]

My bad. I thought it was with his robot arm. Still, I think that's a fair trade. Better than having another death on his conscience. And if he had killed Buck, he'd definitely lose Steve as well.

If he killed Bucky, he would never suit up as Iron Man again. Tony hates the idea of his weapons being abused, so he would be even harder on himself. Steve was saving him from himself too.

 

[neorej]

i thought the small subplot between vision and wanda was interesting and kinda tragic in the end too. wanda feeling responsible for the explosion at the beginning, vision warning wanda that people will see her as a monster if she is seen in public (especially if she uses her powers again), and then wanda choosing to defy vision and fight despite that. the last time we see her in the film she's sat silent in her cell in a straight jacket.

I wonder what happened to vision after seeing what happened to Wanda, shooting down Rhodes...

 

[Replicant]

If he killed Bucky, he would never suit up as Iron Man again. Tony hates the idea of his weapons being abused, so he would be even harder on himself. Steve was saving him from himself too.

I didn't even consider that. But yeah, given his state of mind, another death on top of everything else would have pushed him off the cliff.

i thought the small subplot between vision and wanda was interesting and kinda tragic in the end too. wanda feeling responsible for the explosion at the beginning, vision warning wanda that people will see her as a monster if she is seen in public (especially if she uses her powers again), and then wanda choosing to defy vision and fight despite that. the last time we see her in the film she's sat silent in her cell in a straight jacket.

I like that she realised that she can't control people's fear of her. All she can control is her own fear of her power. In the end, she was imprisoned for helping a friend not because she caused danger to anyone else.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

All this talk of a green, red and yellow vibranium boner is making me uncomfortable.

 

[b&jy77VjiKn$#F]

The audience from my 2nd viewing laughed at Rhodes' free falling. That's odd.

Also, I'm not sure why this film got an nc16 in my area, while they allowed children to watch Deadpool.

 

[jey_16]

Yes it does not need to be horrific but at the same time I felt the impact of this CW fallout wasnt presented as bad as what the fans are saying.

I didn't really felt the animosity between characters, or even just between Cap and Tony, besides that raged finale. Everyone seems like having a friendly spar to show off their gimmicks.

When Tony ignored Ross call, just like what he said he would do at the raft before knowing the truth of his parents death, I take it that nothing has changed for him, a little bruised but still the IM character we know and loved.

i enjoyed the film but thats what annoyed me, i loved it when Tony lost it after finding out what Bucky had done but then at the end, it was like all was forgiven. Tony ignoring the call from Ross and looking like he was ok with Cap, i mean FFS....the guy killed his parents, who wouldn't want to destroy the person that did that

i was TeamCap before the film, but after watching it i'm TeamIronMan