He couldn't phase when Wanda attacked him, she basically hijacked his abilities and made him phase to release Hawkeye, then used his density powers against him to send him down a few (dozen) stories.
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Captain America: Civil War SPOILER Thread - #TeamThanos
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He couldn't phase when Wanda attacked him, she basically hijacked his abilities and made him phase to release Hawkeye, then used his density powers against him to send him down a few (dozen) stories.
Glass Rebel
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man, you went too far.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
Coulson got replaced by Martin Freeman.
Kinda, yes. Post surgery does that to you.
He behave really clumsy and with bad timing he could have killed them
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
Yeah, Vision was really careless in the fight. Scott also went a little too far when he turned into Giant Man.
Such a good fight, though. Damn, I'm really itching for more Panther and Spidey.
Such a good fight, though. Damn, I'm really itching for more Panther and Spidey.
I might be completely wrong but- at the end of the film, he lets his emotional needs get the best of him. Again. He always has to be right, always has to get his. If he had showed restraint against Bucky/Cap, stood down, then maybe one could argue that he learned something from what happened with Ultron.
Tony is volatile at best, a catalyst for very bad things and a liability at worst.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Then you get a pass! Speedy recovery.
But that didn't happen. He could have also sliced all their legs from under them when he first shows up at the airport lol. Come on..
But he crippled War Machine moments later.
Vision doesnt know what he is doing, he can controll the Mind Gem. He is fucking Dangerous
The useless shite, feed him to the pigs 'arold.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
Them juggling the drama and action for all the characters was done damn well. Everyone got their time to shine.
X-Men movies, take note.
Also, the shaky cam and quick cuts in the fights pre-airport didn't bother me at all.
X-Men movies, take note.
Also, the shaky cam and quick cuts in the fights pre-airport didn't bother me at all.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Good thing those accords exist! 😏
SomedayTheFire
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ffs!!!
formasymphonic
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hmmmm, the fact that he is willing to surrender that decision making to another body over him (the Accords/UN Panel) kind of goes against that. You're missing out on the fact that the arcs Tony & Steve have been on have actually taken them to places where they are now the opposite of where they were several movies ago. I need to go see it again but from memory:
Tony is actually willing to be the opposite of what you say - "We need to be put in check and whatever form that takes, I'm game"
Where as Steve is now the one who is willing to act on his own decisions over listening to an external authority - "The safest hands are still our own"
This is pretty much the premise of the film, no? None of Tony trying to convince Steve to sign was for personal gain or to "prove he was right" or "get his". And when he found proof for himself that Bucky might have been set up for the UN bombing like Cap said he immediately went to Sam for info so he could go to help Cap.
It's only being shown a video of his dad getting his face cracked (by a guy he knew), and his mother get choked - combined with the fact that his friend knew and never told him that made him snap. In the earlier films I would absolutely agree that his actions were a liability. And we can go around the semantics of that a lot but I doubt there is anyone here who could have kept it cool enough in his position that they would be able to judge him for switching in the bunker. To call him volatile for that is kind of harsh.
formasymphonic
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Better than that were the peeps earlier in the thread trying to say it was Tony who ordered Vision to fire.
The shot was reckless, but that's intentional, Vision made a mistake with such a careless shot owing to him being more concerned with Wanda's safety.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Why try debate with that dude, isn't it obviously evident he has made his conclusion of who the villain is by his post? It seem rather unfortunate that what people dislike of Tony is his ego and that flaw has made him an easy pick for character assassination. Let's ignore that captain is the rogue, the one who's literally split the team, who has decided it was worth the effort to defy the wishes of 117 countries because cap can do no wrong at all. I suppose it's what makes us different, some will always have to pick sides, some won't
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
I recall BronsonL saying how Spidey and Ant-Man escalate things but I don't remember Spidey doing anything that big.
peanutbutterlatte
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Actually War Machine ordering the fire of a mystical, potentially deadly laser beam then flying anywhere near its path means his injury is a little more self inflicted than I'd have imagined.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I've been looking for this scene as a gif for years, thank you good sir or mam.
formasymphonic
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Also I think I remember someone blaming Tony for telling Ross that Widow let Cap/Bucky go.
IIRC it was actually T'Challa who told Ross. Tony just says it during his talk with Widow.
IIRC it was actually T'Challa who told Ross. Tony just says it during his talk with Widow.
Thing is, they should never even let Tony sign off on the accords. Should already be either in prison, or at least bankrupted and barred from technology. The world was lucky it was just some people in Sokovia that died.
Wanda also should end up in jail for her part in it too.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yeah, Tony tells Natasha this. T'Challa told Ross and now Ross is coming to get Natasha too. Natasha disappears after that and I don't think we see her again in the movie, she's definitely not in the prison, so she's still somewhere out there.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
I think perhaps because it's only in cinemas, some details are lost on some so it's hard to get a proper review. However, I still think people dislike Tony even before Ultron, so whatever he does is exaggerated to ridiculous levels on their minds
BewareTheBatsie
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I just realized something. The end of AOU pretty much implied that the characters in that last scene would be the new wave of Avengers AKA all the characters in the first scene of the movie taking down Crossbones.
How come Vision or War Machine weren't in that scene? You've got Cap, Black Widow, Wanda and Sam who were shown at the end. In fact it seems like neither of the two were even actively fighting crime. Did they quit off-screen or something? Did they not want to waste too much money on their effects?
How come Vision or War Machine weren't in that scene? You've got Cap, Black Widow, Wanda and Sam who were shown at the end. In fact it seems like neither of the two were even actively fighting crime. Did they quit off-screen or something? Did they not want to waste too much money on their effects?
Reizo Ryuu
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Lmao savage
Almost a year went past since then, obviously there are moments where some are not available (for whatever reasons) in certain missions.
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
Lol, that's pretty great.
BewareTheBatsie
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Maybe for Rhodey but what does Vision have to do? It came off like he was just chilling at home in his fancy sweater while they were fighting. And with him being transparent, that ability would have been very handy.
He might rather hang back and only spring to action of the situation demands it
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Whatever he wants. He's Vision. He'll float through a wall in your room..you ain't the boss of off him.
The appropriate answer.
He's the motherfucker vision, he's got better things to do, like learning to cook with paprika.
BewareTheBatsie
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Protecting a deadly virus potentially from Crossbones is a pretty big deal for him to hang back on.
thehypocrite
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The more I think about the movie the worst it becomes, this isn't a good movie, just a shameless vehicle for rent seeking by an unscrupulous movie studio. This movie and it's characters make no sense in relation with the mythology set up in prior films, it has an incompetent villain whose glory is more a product of a contrived and convenient plot instead of any individual merit. A movie with jarring and incompetent editing, actions scenes with floaty character action, embarrassing quips, and nonsensical cuts and transitions.
This isn't a good movie, even though some people seem convinced that it is. It's entertaining if you remind your brain to not question every dumb thing that it throws at you and you concentrate on the fan service and the jokes that it continuously pushes at your direction in order to distract from the nonsense and the absence of a coherent well made film that can be found if you weren't too numb to look.
This isn't a good movie, even though some people seem convinced that it is. It's entertaining if you remind your brain to not question every dumb thing that it throws at you and you concentrate on the fan service and the jokes that it continuously pushes at your direction in order to distract from the nonsense and the absence of a coherent well made film that can be found if you weren't too numb to look.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
LOL
They didn't know that's what he was targeting beforehand. You're remembering the movie incorrectly.
Also,
Bucky and Cap are deceptively quick.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
They juicing!
Just saw it again. Once again, and now even more, I'm really happy with this Zemo. He's definitely the number 1 antagonist in the MCU, film wise for me.
But for a film that has 'loss' as one of it's biggest themes it blows my mind how much they fucked up Peggy's funeral. Look at how fucking Thor 2 handled it. Beyond Steve's reaction to the text message there isn't much there. Instead it's solely used to set-up the Steve/Sharon romance, like couldn't they have used it to strengthen Steve's resolve to save Bucky at any cost. Like have a throwback to this scene while Steve is mourning:
Like TWS handled their relationship so great, it's such a great sequence. And this just felt like one big cop-out and a disservice to Peggy Carter.
But for a film that has 'loss' as one of it's biggest themes it blows my mind how much they fucked up Peggy's funeral. Look at how fucking Thor 2 handled it. Beyond Steve's reaction to the text message there isn't much there. Instead it's solely used to set-up the Steve/Sharon romance, like couldn't they have used it to strengthen Steve's resolve to save Bucky at any cost. Like have a throwback to this scene while Steve is mourning:
Like TWS handled their relationship so great, it's such a great sequence. And this just felt like one big cop-out and a disservice to Peggy Carter.
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
They're blue-collar hard workers. Real students of their craft.
Gif of the forever
formasymphonic
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You have to do that for a lot of films these days tbh.
Strategically, they could have blown up the jet before Cap and Bucky get to it. Or before the beginning of the whole airport fight when Tony said he had like 12 hours to bring cap in and Cap said he had to stop the super soldiers it could have been solved with:
Cap: "Tony, I can't hand myself in yet - but we can go together to get this guy and get the proof, and then I am will come with you after"
But nope we got "I'm trying to stop you from tearing apart the team" / "you did that when you signed"
Sharadopas
Both Steve and Tony act like idiots in this film. Tony's been an idiot since IM3 ( this is my home address, here is a killer robot, that do that robot thing again) and now Steve doesn't think in this film. It all seems like a forced conflict. It would've been better if Tony found out about his parents death sooner and he and BP were out for revenge. Instead Steve doesn't talk to Tony about Bucky because he is convinced that Tony will no listen or won't do anything if he does believe him. Tony acts like a chump and all of a sudden trusts the governments of the world when he could have used his wealth to just fight the law.
Signing over the Avengers to a world that did 100% of nothing during the conflicts in the previous movies was just dumb. Don't want to compare really but at least the military shows up in DCEU. All the government did in MCU was launch a nuke to blow up NY.
Plus who would sign the Accords in a world where Hydra exist? That seems like a great way to be stupid.
On another note I also don't get how a team with Iron Man, WM, Vision, Spiderman, and BP don't win here even if they were not trying to hurt or kill the other team. All team Cap had was Wanda and Ant-man.
Signing over the Avengers to a world that did 100% of nothing during the conflicts in the previous movies was just dumb. Don't want to compare really but at least the military shows up in DCEU. All the government did in MCU was launch a nuke to blow up NY.
Plus who would sign the Accords in a world where Hydra exist? That seems like a great way to be stupid.
On another note I also don't get how a team with Iron Man, WM, Vision, Spiderman, and BP don't win here even if they were not trying to hurt or kill the other team. All team Cap had was Wanda and Ant-man.
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