http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ben-carson-trump-kids-disadvantaged-wealth
Carson always finds a way to say something amazingly stupid.
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Carson: Trump's kids grew up disadvantaged because they were rich
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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ben-carson-trump-kids-disadvantaged-wealth
Carson always finds a way to say something amazingly stupid.
GrizzleBoy
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Look how Trump turned out after all.
It's literally a tragic situation for all involved :'(
JordanN
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When rich kids show up for a job interview or want to attend the most expensive university, they get turned down.
It's tough being rich and white.
Absolutely serious question:
How do you get through to someone who hears something like this and thinks "Yeah, he's right"?
Is it even possible?
Do you honestly believe that growing up as an ultra rich person (even ignoring that they are white) puts you at a disadvantage compared to growing up as a regular poor person?
Double edit - More people chiming in accepting the idea that being ultra rich puts you at a disadvantage and I can't even anymore, I just can't. There is NOT a good point being made here, you are not less likely to be a good person because you are rich. Disadvantage implies you are worse off compared to the norm, yes there are things rich people deal with that poor people don't but they are not disadvantaged.
How do you get through to someone who hears something like this and thinks "Yeah, he's right"?
Is it even possible?
Do you honestly believe that growing up as an ultra rich person (even ignoring that they are white) puts you at a disadvantage compared to growing up as a regular poor person?
Double edit - More people chiming in accepting the idea that being ultra rich puts you at a disadvantage and I can't even anymore, I just can't. There is NOT a good point being made here, you are not less likely to be a good person because you are rich. Disadvantage implies you are worse off compared to the norm, yes there are things rich people deal with that poor people don't but they are not disadvantaged.
TheMan
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i know, right? i looked up to this guy for years.
Aztechnology
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Such a delight
Yup, there's a good point being made there, albeit clumsily.
Monocle
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You know, being rich can be very isolating. It's hard to find true friends who like you for you, and not your assets!
Also, being rich comes with loads of responsibility. Everyone's always expecting you to donate to this charity, or support that cause. Not to mention the pressure of creating jobs for the thousands of people who make more money for you. Talk about stressful!
Also, there's such a thing as a life that's too easy. How do you build character when you never have to worry about making rent or coping with a surprise medical bill? To be rich is to be plagued by adversity. It's immensely distressing to have the non-rich constantly dangling their moral superiority over your head!
Also, when you can have and do everything, you tend to get tired of stuff. Poor people are more likely to appreciate the small things, you know? It's hard to be rich when poor people are having way more fun than you are!
Also, as an ultra-rich person there's basically nothing to stop you from developing a serious drug habit. Being rich is a health risk!
Also, people who are not wealthy often scorn, envy, and distrust the rich. Rich people experience bigotry everywhere they go!
In many ways, rich people have the hardest lives of all.
Also, being rich comes with loads of responsibility. Everyone's always expecting you to donate to this charity, or support that cause. Not to mention the pressure of creating jobs for the thousands of people who make more money for you. Talk about stressful!
Also, there's such a thing as a life that's too easy. How do you build character when you never have to worry about making rent or coping with a surprise medical bill? To be rich is to be plagued by adversity. It's immensely distressing to have the non-rich constantly dangling their moral superiority over your head!
Also, when you can have and do everything, you tend to get tired of stuff. Poor people are more likely to appreciate the small things, you know? It's hard to be rich when poor people are having way more fun than you are!
Also, as an ultra-rich person there's basically nothing to stop you from developing a serious drug habit. Being rich is a health risk!
Also, people who are not wealthy often scorn, envy, and distrust the rich. Rich people experience bigotry everywhere they go!
In many ways, rich people have the hardest lives of all.
Abstrusity
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Rich folk deal with problems, too. I mean, on one hand, who are your friends? Only people like you.
I'd say it's a disadvantage. If they ever, against all odds, wanted to do something on their own, stepping out of the shadow of their father, then their name is more important than they are.
But even though it's a disadvantage, it's nowhere near as bad as growing up with a single parent, unable to eat every day, in a leaky apartment by train tracks, where your neighbors are killed in drive-bys, domestic murder attempts, or drug abuse.
This isn't the oppression olympics, but if we want to use a scale, their disadvantage is so infinitesimal that we could simply not bother including them on the scale and it'd fall within margin of error.
I'd say it's a disadvantage. If they ever, against all odds, wanted to do something on their own, stepping out of the shadow of their father, then their name is more important than they are.
But even though it's a disadvantage, it's nowhere near as bad as growing up with a single parent, unable to eat every day, in a leaky apartment by train tracks, where your neighbors are killed in drive-bys, domestic murder attempts, or drug abuse.
This isn't the oppression olympics, but if we want to use a scale, their disadvantage is so infinitesimal that we could simply not bother including them on the scale and it'd fall within margin of error.
Being rich is not a disadvantage. Period.
Carson is trying to talk about affluenza which is really just having shitty parents and a bad support system while being rich. But the being rich part isn't the problem. It's the shitty parents and bad support system which are both bad things no matter how much money you have.
Carson is trying to talk about affluenza which is really just having shitty parents and a bad support system while being rich. But the being rich part isn't the problem. It's the shitty parents and bad support system which are both bad things no matter how much money you have.
Diprosalic
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yeah but i wouldn't call it a disadvantage, if you have shitty parents you have shitty parents no matter what but it's still way better than shitty broke parents. Childhood friend of mine was super rich and had everything but their parents barely looked at him because they were busy all the time so he was home alone all day, he didn't turn out alright at all and died a few years back with a drug overdose.
Other super rich guy i know turned out alright because his parents gave a shit.
There's tons of poor people with useless offspring as well. Shitty parents exist across the wealth spectrum.
It's basically one of the only ways you can actually legitimately praise Trump, since his kids didn't end up worthless reality stars, so Republicans seem to be going out of their way to make as big a deal of it as possible.
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Can I trade the longer lifespan, higher education level, better career prospects and cross-generational wealth for that disadvantage, please?
He is. Describing it as a disadvantage is stupid, but what he is saying is they could easily be spoiled, lazy, and dumb, but they all seem to be the opposite.
TheOfficeMut
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Stop performing brain surgery on yourself you dumb fuck
1.21Gigawatts
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Your left hand is actually your right hand. The sun is cold. There is a war on christianity. And beeing rich is a disadvantage.
Nothing happened to him, guys. He showed us who he really is. Let's be glad for that.
old manatee
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I feel bad for rich people. They are susceptible to affluenza, minor back pain from gardening, fuckface fever, tennis elbow, stenchmouth, atrophy, and even old age.
That's not unique or a predominately wealthy person problem
Linkstrikesback
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They're not wrong. If trump was a good parent, he would have abandoned them in the forest by no later than the age of 5, so that they wouldn't have had to deal with the harsh life of a rich white kid.
Disadvantage is the wrong word here. Being rich doesn't mean you'll have a happy perfect life or people you can talk to, but it's a fucking huge advantage. You can afford to fail many times, move virtually anywhere and go to school as often as you'd like. Most people don't have the chance for many do-overs.
SolVanderlyn
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Well, he's right. Growing up rich frequently makes you spoiled. They were disadvantaged in that sense.
Framing it as being disadvantaged is insensitive to what the term usually implies, however. The article should read, as according to Carson's point of view: "Trump's kids turned out very well for growing up in an environment where they were likely to turn out as spoiled and incompetent jerks." That wouldn't make a very flattering headline, though.
Framing it as being disadvantaged is insensitive to what the term usually implies, however. The article should read, as according to Carson's point of view: "Trump's kids turned out very well for growing up in an environment where they were likely to turn out as spoiled and incompetent jerks." That wouldn't make a very flattering headline, though.
Black Republican
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so what about underprivileged black kids, Mr Carson?
Super advantaged?
Super advantaged?
theepicoftyler
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Ben Carson has really devalued comparing simple tasks to brain surgery.
Hippo_PRIME
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Wow. He's actually saying that being a rich child is a disadvantage. Carson has always struck me as someone who actually believes that insanity he spouts, too.
So glad I didn't have to grow up in such a troubled environment. Really happy that I was raised in the nurturing, protective environment I did of dreading medical bills that could bankrupt my family and saddling myself with crippling student debt for school. Really dodged a bullet in my childhood.
So glad I didn't have to grow up in such a troubled environment. Really happy that I was raised in the nurturing, protective environment I did of dreading medical bills that could bankrupt my family and saddling myself with crippling student debt for school. Really dodged a bullet in my childhood.
Diprosalic
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yeah saying that they stayed grounded and hard working despite being able to afford everything since they were born is a much better way of saying what he tried to say.
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