lol what?Well Catholics were never Christians in the first place at any point, but this is not surprising.
Helping people and caring about them is way more satisfying when it's real, and not some requirement for getting into the cloud holodeck after you die.I thought it was common knowledge that Catholic church is a scam.
People need to look up to me. I don't give anything to the church nor any donations to any institution.
I don't help anybody and don't expect people to help me.
I know I'm gonna burn in hell and I'm fine with it.
Well Catholics were never Christians in the first place at any point, but this is not surprising.
I mean the whole vatican/branches are falling apart with all these convictions with drugs and kids. Nothing is really being done about it so it's getting worse. The pope is completely inconsistent so that doesn't help things.
"If god wants the pope to be rich and fuck my children, who am I to argue?"
no matter what you think about the church or catholics or religion or any associated baggage, st peter's basilica is a triumph of human ingenuity and achievment. if you ever get a chance to visit it, do it. it is magnificent.Being this close to God isn't cheap.
Stagnant as of late though.It's a business.
If you’ve ever known a devout catholic you know they are totally ok with this.
Trojita 's thread title is fake misinformation. This investigation is about Peter's Pence, not the Catholic Church's giving to the poor in totality.
The Catholic Church is incontrovertibly the largest provider of education, health care, relief efforts and all around human services, not just in the world today, but in all of human history. The friars around the corner from me live in abject poverty while running a homeless shelter, a school for immigrants, and handing out food and water to homeless on the street every week.
I call horseshit. I have never heard a single traditionalist ever say anything good about the hierarchy's financial initiatives, least of all Peter's Pence.
Trojita 's thread title is fake misinformation. This investigation is about Peter's Pence, not the Catholic Church's giving to the poor in totality.
The Catholic Church is incontrovertibly the largest provider of education, health care, relief efforts and all around human services, not just in the world today, but in all of human history. The friars around the corner from me live in abject poverty while running a homeless shelter, a school for immigrants, and handing out food and water to homeless on the street every week.
I call horseshit. I have never heard a single traditionalist ever say anything good about the hierarchy's financial initiatives, least of all Peter's Pence.
It's been like that for years, trying to bring down the Church.Seems like a lot of people are strawmanning the Church here.
lol what?
They believe that Jesus died for our sins etc etc so why wouldn't that make them Christians?
Catholics were the first Christians. for 1500 years after Christ there was only the Catholic church.
"And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it."-Matthew 16:18
Christ founded the Catholic church with Peter as the first pope, and all other denominations are protestants who make up whatever they want about what the Bible means after the fact completely divorced from history. If Catholics are not Christians no one is.
1 Corinthians 10:1-4 ...'Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.'
The Devil also believes that as well, if you actually people actually read the darn book they would know what Christian actually meant and where the name came from in the first place. The catholic church is literally phony, 90+% of their doctrine has nothing to do with the Bible, they are the ones that have caused massive damaged with graven images and fake depictions, they are the ones that popularized the fake holidays that have no backing by scripture for their own benefits, they are the ones that ignored scriptural guidance and put the Pope in an unlawful position with tons of power, they are the ones that satirize elements like destroying demons by having an a cross around their neck thrown at it after praying to it (which is idolatry) or throwing teh "holy water" to destroy demons. They have unbiblical church ranks and nuns still don't make sense to this day, they have also influences 80+% of the protestants doctrine despite them being "protestants" most of those "denominations" (which aren't supposed to exist) still share the same doctrines 80+% of the time. They are the ones that removed books out of the scriptures. So much more.
They literally should just be some cult with their own book instead of the book they constantly ignore, and because the average person is dumb (no offense) people will believe anything the "pastors" or "claimed scholars" say yet the "scholars" apparently read the whole book multiple times but happen to either be too dumb to comprehend or intentionally ignore parts of it.
This notion everyone can become a christian by "believing in Christ and his death for sins" is not backed up and is garbage and contradicts multiple passages, that's never been what and why Christians came to be, people usually make things up, that's why you have so many desperate people giving pastors money to justify their actions, some of them atheist bible scholars, they'll say "oh we are under grace you ca do whatever you want" or "as long as you ask for forgiveness (regardless of sincerity) you'll be forgiven" which is nonsense, many Catholics and Protestants will usually try to justify bad deeds by making up passages or taking words out of context, because they want their audience to still give them money and will usually say "oh that's the old testament" so that people believe they can do whatever, yet keep the tithing law which is from the old testament, which is also being used incorrectly. It's funny.
But so much damage for so long was prophesied, only 1/3 is going to make it in the end. Also explains why so much strange and weird shit is happening and enveloping much of the world atm. Man is not expected to let go of what they are used to, it's easier just to ask for justification while blaspheming Christ.
Please tell me where in any scripture did Jesus use the word catholic? He didn't, not it wasn't the first "church" and no Peter was not the pope, the Catholic church "decided" that he was the pope" and based their doctrine not based on any scripture in the bible that the Catholic church started there, I'm sure there's a made up defense for the delusion Jesus was born in Dec.25th as well, but that's not backed by scripture, which regardless of the calendar you use wasn't in December, and we never got a day, so it's all made up. Just like the belief that only one church is blessed,t he church that constantly ignores scripture and does the opposite of what Peter did multiple ties. Strange ain't it?
Again there's a reason why 2/3rds aren't making it. Man's tradition is too important they must justify their changes through lies. So things will continue to get worse until people realize that, and most won't. Hence why the pope are pastors in other churches are often considered "infallible" which is as Biden would say "malarkey".
Peter never even WENT to Rome, so we just got a European Based Catholic Church out of thins air. Peter also directly disagrees with being the head of the church (he says Christ) while also never talking about the palpacy or pope position when teaching about church structure.
Even the "old testament" (another there are no separate testaments and weren't any until much later in Europe) also mentions who the "rock" is.
Also this:
"Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. 3* For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. 4* They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. 5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good."
But I suspect that men will continue to ignore such things and will pretend my post doesn't matter because they are so used to their routine trith has no relevance, so please expect more deaths, more sexual ills in the "catholic" and "Protestant" churches, more lying and manipulation for money, and this weird believe anyone can be a Christian at any time with no sincerity, which would of course include the Transgenders and drag queens trying to brainwash kids and get them on hormone at an early age getting irreversible side-effects. Such a theory basically calls those Chirstians as well which doesn't make sense based on those actions.
Things will get worse and people will cling learning no lessons, it doesn't take much effort to actually read though, maybe some of this weird stuff may slow down or stop if people who believe in the Scriptures actually tried to follow at least 10% of the book, barely no one can even do that.
Like I said this was already foretold, 2/3rds gotta go.
Yeah I would contend that The Vatican is probably the number one tourist destination for the devout catholic. To me that is very obvious support. As far as The Catholic Church as a whole...
Pretty much. THAT SAID we're still not great when it comes to actually utilizing said money. There's still waaaaaaaaay too much hoarding going on in certain places. We also have withdrawn from certain more *dangerous* missions.
Nondenomintional organization have sprung into that opening like for example Cru or AVC but theres still a lot to do. There also needs to be a larger amount of courage around again in the west for standing in for a christian's principles. I've met several converted muslims over the years. People that were symbolicaly buried by their family and have to fear death if they preach and help build communities in their home countries. Yet, they go back there without a single doubt. In comparison we often ignore a lot of necessary charity work in the west because A: Somebody could not like it or B: (even worse) it could inconvienience us.
Sax, is that you?
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Your logic does not work. Pilgrimages to the first Christian communities does not denote support for Peter's Pence.
Regarding the first part, that's why I believe corporal works of mercy should be done entirely at the local level,
this is a point i brought up earlier. Marvel makes billions of dollars and donates very little. people need to look at things in perspective. you say the word religion and they lose their minds. look at the facts. look at profit, how much people make, how much they donate.At least is 10% and helps a bit, it could be 0%.....
You keep saying that, and it keeps being an idiotic comparison. Marvel is not a non profit. It isn't a charity. It is a business and doesn't pretend to be anything other than an entity to make it's owners money. The same is true of Disney. The Catholic church claims to be a non profit and a charity. Quit making inane comparisons.this is a point i brought up earlier. Marvel makes billions of dollars and donates very little. people need to look at things in perspective. you say the word religion and they lose their minds. look at the facts. look at profit, how much people make, how much they donate.
for instance Disney is considered a progressive company. wouldn't you think their charity giving is higher than the mean old Catholic Church?
their revenue for 2018 was 59.43 billion U.S. dollars.
The Devil also believes that as well, if you actually people actually read the darn book they would know what Christian actually meant and where the name came from in the first place. The catholic church is literally phony, 90+% of their doctrine has nothing to do with the Bible, they are the ones that have caused massive damaged with graven images and fake depictions, they are the ones that popularized the fake holidays that have no backing by scripture for their own benefits, they are the ones that ignored scriptural guidance and put the Pope in an unlawful position with tons of power, they are the ones that satirize elements like destroying demons by having an a cross around their neck thrown at it after praying to it (which is idolatry) or throwing teh "holy water" to destroy demons. They have unbiblical church ranks and nuns still don't make sense to this day, they have also influences 80+% of the protestants doctrine despite them being "protestants" most of those "denominations" (which aren't supposed to exist) still share the same doctrines 80+% of the time. They are the ones that removed books out of the scriptures. So much more.
They literally should just be some cult with their own book instead of the book they constantly ignore, and because the average person is dumb (no offense) people will believe anything the "pastors" or "claimed scholars" say yet the "scholars" apparently read the whole book multiple times but happen to either be too dumb to comprehend or intentionally ignore parts of it.
This notion everyone can become a christian by "believing in Christ and his death for sins" is not backed up and is garbage and contradicts multiple passages, that's never been what and why Christians came to be, people usually make things up, that's why you have so many desperate people giving pastors money to justify their actions, some of them atheist bible scholars, they'll say "oh we are under grace you ca do whatever you want" or "as long as you ask for forgiveness (regardless of sincerity) you'll be forgiven" which is nonsense, many Catholics and Protestants will usually try to justify bad deeds by making up passages or taking words out of context, because they want their audience to still give them money and will usually say "oh that's the old testament" so that people believe they can do whatever, yet keep the tithing law which is from the old testament, which is also being used incorrectly. It's funny.
But so much damage for so long was prophesied, only 1/3 is going to make it in the end. Also explains why so much strange and weird shit is happening and enveloping much of the world atm. Man is not expected to let go of what they are used to, it's easier just to ask for justification while blaspheming Christ.
Please tell me where in any scripture did Jesus use the word catholic? He didn't, not it wasn't the first "church" and no Peter was not the pope, the Catholic church "decided" that he was the pope" and based their doctrine not based on any scripture in the bible that the Catholic church started there, I'm sure there's a made up defense for the delusion Jesus was born in Dec.25th as well, but that's not backed by scripture, which regardless of the calendar you use wasn't in December, and we never got a day, so it's all made up. Just like the belief that only one church is blessed,t he church that constantly ignores scripture and does the opposite of what Peter did multiple ties. Strange ain't it?
Again there's a reason why 2/3rds aren't making it. Man's tradition is too important they must justify their changes through lies. So things will continue to get worse until people realize that, and most won't. Hence why the pope are pastors in other churches are often considered "infallible" which is as Biden would say "malarkey".
Peter never even WENT to Rome, so we just got a European Based Catholic Church out of thins air. Peter also directly disagrees with being the head of the church (he says Christ) while also never talking about the palpacy or pope position when teaching about church structure.
Even the "old testament" (another there are no separate testaments and weren't any until much later in Europe) also mentions who the "rock" is.
Also this:
"Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. 3* For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. 4* They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. 5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good."
But I suspect that men will continue to ignore such things and will pretend my post doesn't matter because they are so used to their routine trith has no relevance, so please expect more deaths, more sexual ills in the "catholic" and "Protestant" churches, more lying and manipulation for money, and this weird believe anyone can be a Christian at any time with no sincerity, which would of course include the Transgenders and drag queens trying to brainwash kids and get them on hormone at an early age getting irreversible side-effects. Such a theory basically calls those Chirstians as well which doesn't make sense based on those actions.
Things will get worse and people will cling learning no lessons, it doesn't take much effort to actually read though, maybe some of this weird stuff may slow down or stop if people who believe in the Scriptures actually tried to follow at least 10% of the book, barely no one can even do that.
Like I said this was already foretold, 2/3rds gotta go.
The word Catholic was used by the Romans to describe them, because it was unusual that they had a universal teaching among such a disparate group of peoples. This word was used in letters as early as 110 AD.
It sounds like you don't believe in the Bible, or if you do you won't go into detail about what denomination you are.
Edit: If I'm reading you correctly you seem misinformed, the Catholic Bible has more books in it than most protestant Bibles, most of those extra books being in the old testament and primarily explain the history leading up to the new testament.
This is partially inaccurate and irrelevant to your argument since my claim was that it wasn't the first church (true) and while Jesus was alive no one used the word.
If you actually read the bible you'd know there aren't supposed to be denominations.
Your reading comprehension is bad, I never said the protestant bibles had more books (where did you even get that from?), I only mentioned the FACT that the Catholics removed books that were originally apart of the holy scriptures.
Show me the Bible with the Holy scriptures the Catholics removed.
Yeah right, can you elaborate genius?The world would be better off if they had never tried to spread that message.
I don't think you believe in Catholics, or at least you aren't Catholic. And you seem to be unintentionally ignorant and dumb about something you care about which is why you think that the Catholics didn't remove books despite the Catholics admitting for centuries they removed books.
You already showed poor reading comprehension already buy lying about me stating that I said the protestant Bible had more books or something, based on nothing.
Also the scriptures don't back denomination, denominations are man made, with their own different rules for each one, which also contradicts scripture, you should really actually try reading the Bible for once in your life before you make yourself look like an idiot. Especially when you don't even know what you're own "denomination" supports and does, like removing books. Maybe you went to fake Catholic school were they teach the opposite of what the Pope and priests say? One of the easiest things to look up as well, are you sure you're Catholic? Are you Muslim? If so which denomination?
I asked you first, what do you believe? Are you Muslim, Jewish, atheist?
You might be slower than the average cabbage.
Also nice job dodging all those points and not addressing them.
You have been dodging my points and not addressing them or explaining what your position is. I don't care if you think I'm mentally slow, but the fact that you would say that makes me think you are not Christian. .
You can think all the false doctrine you want, but you haven't made a single-point yet, I called out your statement from before, you have yet to address a single point I've made toward you across multiple-posts, instead you ignore the posts and then ask me a dumb question about my "denomination" or "position" despite it being said multiple times and irrelevant to the argument, which s based on false catholic doctrine. Maybe you should actually read my posts and address them instead of dodging and continuing to not defend the talking points you claim are correct. Maybe you wouldn't be as lost?
Let's start with something simple, like say, your lack of knowledge of the Catholics removing books despite it being well known and admitted. I find that strange, but according to you, they didn't remove any books, so maybe you can explain why you believe that despite it being admitted? Then you can address the numerous other point I said that you've been dodging.
Show me the original Bible that Catholics supposedly removed books from.
So you're not going to actually address multiple points, just play games. Amazon? Really?
Takes less than a few seconds to see that Catholics removed books from the scriptures, you sure you're Catholic? This is the poorest defense I've seen yet.
Point to the bible Catholics removed scriptures from. You can't do it.
So you aren't a Catholic. Don't even know your own doctrine about taking books out. Also still playing games and not addressing other points.
Also why are you using random alt account with nearly the same name in this thread?
I only remember signing up for one account, but apparently I only use one account on my phone and the other when im on my pc. You can't point to a bible the the Catholics took books put of. If you had receipts you would provide them.