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"China and India are going to have a fight, a nuclear war."

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That's what my manager said at work when someone brought up some Chinese border excursions or something brought about over some war in the 60s that I know nothing about. Involves a place called Ladakh. A recent article...

http://www.leaderpost.com/news/China+risks+push+territorial+claims+three+fronts/8313311/story.html

As it pursues its territorial ambitions, China is following an increasingly belligerent course that could easily tip into war with its neighbours.

In the last few days, elements of the People's Liberation Army have aggressively intruded into the territory of both Japan and India.

At the same time, China has ratcheted up its rhetoric with Vietnam and the Philippines as those countries attempt to assert their sovereignty over disputed islands in the South China Sea.

Of the three flashpoints, by far the most threatening is the increasingly aggressive games of chicken Beijing's military forces are playing over and around Japan's Senkaku Islands, known in Chinese as the Diaoyutai, in the East China Sea.

Last Tuesday, 40 Chinese military planes, mostly jet fighters, flew close to the cluster of five uninhabited islands, prompting Japan to scramble F-15 fighter planes from an airbase on the Japanese island of Okinawa.

At the same time, eight Chinese maritime surveillance ships entered the 12-nautical-mile zone around the islands marking Japan's territorial waters.

Japanese newspapers quoted a Tokyo government official as describing last week's actions by the Chinese forces as "an unprecedented threat. If such a show of force continues, it is feared it could lead to a situation where the Japanese air defence force may not be able to cope."

The incursions are the biggest since China started this campaign of elbowing the Japanese defence forces on Dec. 13 last year.

That was the anniversary of the 1937 capture of the Chinese city of Nanking by invading Japanese forces, which was followed by a massacre of civilians.

One of the most aggressive Chinese moves was on Jan. 30 when a Chinese frigate locked its missile-control radar on a Japanese navy destroyer and later on a Japanese helicopter.

Locking radar onto a target is the last step before firing a missile, and tells an adversary that an attack could be just seconds away.

In such a situation, it is all too easy for misjudgments to be made and a conflict to start by accident.

But China is evidently prepared to take that risk in pursuit of its claim to the Senkakus.

On Friday, a spokeswomen for China's Foreign Ministry told reporters that the Senkakus are one of the country's "core interests," a phrase it usually reserves for issues which Beijing considers non-negotiable and over which it is prepared to go to war.

The "core interests" phrase is also applied by Beijing to its claim to the island nation of Taiwan, and to almost the entire South China Sea as far south as the territorial waters of Indonesia.

Beijing's long-standing border dispute with India in the Himalayas, which spawned a brief but intense war in 1962, comes from China's occupation of India's northern neighbour, Tibet.

In recent years, both China and India have beefed up their military presence on the border, and although there are mechanisms in place to minimize conflicts on the ground, these happen with regularity.

On April 15, China sent a platoon of soldiers 20 kilometres inside Indian-controlled territory, where they have established a camp.

The camp is at Ladakh, close to the strategic Karakoram Pass.

India has called on China to remove the soldiers, but several meetings between local army commanders and diplomats have failed to resolve the issue.

The incursion by the Chinese has raised a public storm in India, with many commentators accusing Beijing of taking advantage of the weakness of the government of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, who is set to retire before next year's elections.

There are also demands that India use force if necessary to get the Chinese to withdraw, otherwise Beijing will be encouraged to continue trying to change the reality on the ground.

The reality on the ground is also changing rapidly in the South China Sea, where China is moving forcefully to establish a presence and thus a semblance of sovereignty over the Paracel and Spratly chains of islands, islets and shoals.

The Spratly and Paracel groups, whose exclusive economic zones include bountiful fishing grounds and large submarine oil and gas deposits, are also claimed in part by Vietnam, Taiwan, the Philippines, Brunei and Malaysia.

But China is acting with bullish belligerence in defence of another of its "core interests," confronting Philippines' coast guard vessels and harassing Vietnamese survey ships in contested waters.

China's state-controlled media has threatened both Vietnam and the Philippines with war, and on Friday, Beijing condemned the Manila government for taking their dispute to the United Nations.

Vietnam, meanwhile, is strengthening its relations with the United States as a bulwark against China.

In a highly visible sign of Washington's support for the Hanoi government, on Tuesday last week the U.S. consul-general in Ho Chi Minh City accompanied Vietnamese officials on a visit to an island claimed by China in the Paracel group.



Read more: http://www.leaderpost.com/news/Chin...three+fronts/8313311/story.html#ixzz2S4CKVsi8

From the ashes of the Sino-Indian War II... something ought to arise. Blood Dragon sequel maybe. But that's neither here nor there.
 

ymmv

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This says it all.
 

i-Lo

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China holds a lot of cards in terms of resources and money. Whether they really get into war, let alone an utterly devastating nuclear war for which the repercussions will be global, is up to other superpowers (namely US and Russia).

Between this and north korea's constant posturing eventually something is bound to go wrong.

China, much like all countries, should be reminded of their place in this global village.
 
China holds a lot of cards in terms of resources and money. Whether they really get into war, let alone an utterly devastating nuclear war for which the repercussions will be global, is up to other superpowers (namely US and Russia).

Between this and north korea's constant posturing eventually something is bound to go wrong.

China, much like all countries, should be reminded of their place in this global village.

It's a game of chicken! Nuclear mutant chicken!
 

Loofy

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China in regards to the arctic territory dispute:
"No one has any claims to the arctic, since china is 1/5th of the world population, that means we own 1/5th of the arctic."
 

i-Lo

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If they go to war, neither one stand a chance. Even while challenging china's belligerence, I am certain that nuclear weapons will be the last of the last options.
 

braves01

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China's territorial claims are such BS. I hope they get ganged up on if they try to start shit. That said, nuclear conflict is in no one's self-interest, so I really doubt it will come to that.

And fuck China's claims to the Arctic. US-Russia-Canada says gtfo.
 
To me, the best course of action for the US is to say "look, we're gonna sit this one out and let you resolve this yourselves, but if anyone decides to use nuclear weapons we're gonna come in and fuck some shit up." If I was John Kerry I'd keep the wording the same too, lets them no were keeping it real.
 

demolitio

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There's a reason why many of the smaller countries reversed their previous decisions to distance themselves from the U.S. and now some of them are allowing the USN to dock there again. To them, it's necessary given China's recent bullshit. They know they can't stand up 1v1 against China so all the minor nations are banding together (and have in the past) and looking for support from the U.S., Australia, etc. Combine that with the U.S. recommitting forces to the Pacific now more than ever and it's clear that it's not just some minor problem. I don't think we're on the verge of nuclear war by any means, but it's a game of chess with a lot of the small countries and you never know what could set things off.

To outright say we're on the verge of nuclear war is a little extreme to say the least. Those Pacific alliances are becoming more and more important though. They knew a long time ago that it would serve its purpose at one point or another and sharing technology became an important part of that alliance.

I'd say that the conflict between India and Pakistan is a scarier likelihood in my opinion. Pakistani ISI is still openly training people to cause a ruckus in India and both have enough nukes to screw everything up. I'm just glad India showed some restraint after the last terrorist attack once they connected the dots.
 
Would China have to fight a nuclear war if they could just use their water as standard chemical warfare? That stuff is pretty disgusting.
 

markot

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China is surrounded really.

Russia is sort of on side, but its closer to India, and has more to fear from China.

Thats Chinas problem, its neighbours have more to fear from it than from the US or India or Japan or whatever.

China doesnt have the best history with its neighbours.

There will be alot of alliances coming that are pretty much expressly there to keep China in place, the small and even big nations around it will make sure that its military is kept in check. Its pretty much the perfect situation for the US really, cause it means they will be welcome in the region to help counter China for decades to come.
 
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