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Chipotle: Fast Food with 'Integrity' (Interview)

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Macam

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As a Chipotle fan myself, I found this article interesting enough, I thought I'd pass it along. Nods to digg for finding it. For those who like article bolding, well, tough luck on this one -- I bolded things to retain the format of the original, so you'll have to do a little reading here:

Steve Ells, founder and chief executive of Chipotle Mexican Grill (CMG), is not a man on a mission. He's actually on two of them: one, to run the hottest fast-food chain in the nation; two, to offer what he terms "food with integrity" to the mass market.

The innovative restaurateur, who has done to traditional Mexican food what California Pizza Kitchen (CPKI) did earlier to Italian, is unquestionably succeeding when it comes to his business aims. His Denver-based company, spun off from McDonald's (MCD) last October after eight years as a subsidiary, reported on Feb. 15 it earned $41.4 million in 2006 on $882.9 million in revenue. That's up from $37.7 million in net earnings in 2005 on sales of $627.7 million. More impressive, its same-store sales rose 13.7%, its ninth straight year of double-digit increases.

Chipotle shares were priced at $22 apiece in January, 2006, when McDonald's sold a minority stake in an initial public offering. The stock closed on Feb. 15 at $61.30.

Au Naturel

When it comes to feeding America better food, though, Ells is further behind. Ells would like Chipotle, and every restaurant for that matter, to be using only natural ingredients. Ideally, each kitchen would prepare sauces from scratch with pesticide-free vegetables and spices, for instance, rather than buy ready-made sauces that come with preservatives and artificial flavors and colors.

Today, all of the pork Chipotle sells in its burritos and tacos comes from hogs raised naturally on family farms, without antibiotics or hormones. But while Chipotle uses fresh avocados, tomatoes, and peppers, almost none of its produce is organic. It's simply too expensive, says Ells.

Chipotle's menu isn't necessarily low-calorie. Each 13-inch flour tortilla, the size used to wrap a burrito, packs 330 calories alone. That's more than the 300 calories in a McDonald's cheeseburger. "You certainly could argue that Chipotle doesn't have as much leafy greens in it as it probably needs to," Ells concedes.

His dual objectives may be complementary, however. As Chipotle grows—the 573-unit company is opening a new location every four days—it gains clout with suppliers. It didn't pay for Bell & Evans, for example, to supply Chipotle with all-natural chicken thighs when Chipotle had fewer than 200 outlets five years ago. It does today.

Though Ells has run Chipotle since 1993, when he opened a cramped outlet in a Denver storefront, he does not see himself as a suit. After majoring in art history at the University of Colorado, Ells trained at the Culinary Institute of America. Today, Chipotle employs more than 15,000 people. Ells points out, though, that he has never taken a course in business or marketing.

Sitting in an exposed-brick conference room in Chipotle's headquarters, not far from his office cubicle, Ells talked recently with BusinessWeek Senior Correspondent Michael Arndt. Ells, 41, was wearing blue jeans, a black zippered fleece over a white T-shirt, and salsa-red Vasque running shoes. An edited transcript follows:

This is a generalization, but do you sense that Americans care more about what they eat today?

Yes. The thinking is changing. It has to change.

Why?

People understand that as a country, we are not as healthy as we should be, that a lot of our health issues are probably related to diet, and that we could be a lot healthier and happier if we just ate the right foods.

Whenever I go into a Whole Foods (WFMI) anywhere in the country, the parking lots are packed, the checkouts are packed. People all over are loving what I would say is this reinvention of the grocery store. What a great atmosphere it is inside, first of all. And you're bombarded with great quality food: sustainably grown produce, humanely raised meats. Awesome stuff.

It's great to see there's a demand for that, and people are paying a lot of money for that.

Of course, some people can't afford that. How do you deal with that issue at Chipotle?

We're looking into all organic produce, for example. But if you look at the price difference between organic and non-organic in the grocery store, it can be pretty dramatic. We want everybody who goes out for fast food to be able to afford Chipotle. As we work with suppliers over time, we can add food with integrity and keep the price under control.

Pardon the pun, but is there a chicken-and-egg aspect to this? That there's little supply because there's little demand because there's little supply?

We've certainly got enough all-natural pork. Today, more than 60% of our chicken is naturally raised, and we're well on our way to having enough all naturally raised chicken. We're 40% all-natural on beef. Almost 30% of our beans are organic.

Where are you with organic vegetables?

Fringe right now, for sure. But organic isn't necessarily the only step. There are interim steps before going 100% organic. One example would be dairy. We don't have organic sour cream right now, but we just asked our suppliers to switch from making sour cream from cows that were given hormones known as rBGH. Now our sour cream is 100% rBGH-free.

How much more does Chipotle cost than the typical fast-food restaurant?

Our average check, per transaction, is approximately $8.50. So, a buck or two? We have a lot of high school students that come in now. It's affordable to them. Now maybe they won't get a soda; they'll just get water, which is probably better for them anyway. It's great to see high school students willing to pay a little more. And we've never positioned ourselves as a place for kids. And if you don't advertise to them, there's more respect.

Chipotle spends remarkably little on advertising. Why?

Advertising isn't believable. We want to prove to people that we have great quality food. We do this by having this transparent format, this open kitchen where you actually see real food, rather than telling customers our food is fresh. And fresh isn't even enough; it's just the starting point.

Only 5% of our customers probably know about food with integrity. The rest come in because Chipotle tastes great, or they like spicy food, or they think it's a great value, or it's convenient, or the place looks cool. That's awesome; I love that.

I would like to have advertisements telling people about food with integrity on television, and plastered on billboards and in all the big magazines and national newspapers. But I don't think people want to hear it that way. That might be too preachy.

Your menu is very small, basically just tacos and burritos. Do you look at your menu and think it's getting old and you need some new items?

I don't. First of all, there is a variety of flavors. But it's important to keep the menu focused, because if you just do a few things, you can ensure that you do them better than anybody else. If I were cooking at a restaurant, I could cook one thing and do it very, very well. If I had to cook 10 things, no. I'd hit a point where something's got to give. You'd sacrifice in terms of pre-preparing or going with processed ingredients so you can deliver more variety.

And I don't know how much variety there really is on a fast-food menu even with a lot of items. To me, it all tastes the same. I really admire In-N-Out Burger. It's 50 years old and all it sells are fries and burgers and shakes, and it's the very best in the category. It might cost a little more, but people are willing to pay more for quality.

What other companies do you admire?

Apple (AAPL). I've watched Steve Jobs' introduction of the iPhone multiple times, and it's an hour-and-a-half long. I admire his passion for not accepting mediocre stuff. People don't ask for this stuff, but when they see it, they go, "Oh my God, it's what I always wanted."

Thinking about the Apple disciples—I'm not even going to call them customers—it's as if they have ownership in the product, and they do the selling for the company. There's also this sense that once people convert, they're like, "I can't believe what I have been putting up with all these years." I hope there is going to be some tipping point when we all say, "My God, why are we putting up with this fast food?" Not that I want everybody to eat at Chipotle every day, but great food is something that everybody should have access to. And people should demand this from every place they eat.
 

levious

That throwing stick stunt of yours has boomeranged on us.
their rice sucks... really holds the package back, at least with the burritos.

How much more does Chipotle cost than the typical fast-food restaurant?

Our average check, per transaction, is approximately $8.50. So, a buck or two?

that's quite a fantasy perception. No one spends $6.50 plus at a typical fast-food restaurant.
 

Bebpo

Banned
Hmmm...they are opening up one of these 3 mins from my work in a few weeks. Guess I should check it out.
 
Ive driven past one for the past yer and never been inside. So they serve Mexican food? Guess I wont be going n there anytime soon then. *rubs stomach*
 

yacobod

Banned
chipotle is good but after trying qdoba it kinda pales in comparison

chicken queso burrito at qdoba >>>> anything at chipotle
 

snacknuts

we all knew her
I love Chipotle, but the only ones here in Indy (that I know about) are up on the north side and I won't drive up there just for a burrito when I can go to Qdoba and get one that is almost as good.
 

yacobod

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zesty said:
I love Chipotle, but the only ones here in Indy (that I know about) are up on the north side and I won't drive up there just for a burrito when I can go to Qdoba and get one that is almost as good.


you're crazy qdoba burrito is way better, everytime i visit my brother down in indy, we always hit up the qdoba in ripple to cap off a night
 

shantyman

WHO DEY!?
Thanks for posting that Macam.

Chipotle IMHO is far, far superior ot Qdoba. I honestly think if you don't like Chipotle you have bad taste (unless you dislike all Mexican food).
 

Brian Fellows

Pete Carroll Owns Me
I thought this was jst a nasty sauce they had at Wendys. I didnt realize there was an actual franchise named Chipotle. :lol
 

yacobod

Banned
shantyman said:
Thanks for posting that Macam.

Chipotle IMHO is far, far superior ot Qdoba. I honestly think if you don't like Chipotle you have bad taste (unless you dislike all Mexican food).


well chipotle isnt exactly mexican food :D

i like chipotle, but i prefer a qdoba burrito

kinda like a pepsi/coke thing, while i'll drink/like coke, i prefer pepsi
 
Brian Fellows said:
I thought this was jst a nasty sauce they had at Wendys. I didnt realize there was an actual franchise named Chipotle. :lol


chipotle is a food i've seen in various restaraunts with a southern flavor. I know Texas Whorehouse has Chipotle chicken breast.
 

Eric P

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the food is good, but it's horribly unhealthy if you're not careful. the wrapper itself has 350 calories and that's one of my post workout meals.
 

JayDubya

Banned
If you live in an area with Freebirds (Texas-only chain so far, the four major cities + College Station & Lubbock), skip Chipotle. I'd probably like Chipotle if I didn't know Freebirds existed, but damn.
 

fallengorn

Bitches love smiley faces
As far as fast food goes, it's decent. I just wished they'd have something oth their menu with "medium-sized" portions. Sometimes I don't feel like eating a huge burrito.
 

Patrick Klepek

furiously molesting tim burton
Chipotle burritos are far superior to Qdoba's, but Qdoba has a way better selection. Their quesadillas are killer -- though nothing compares to a real mexican joint. The dirtier, the less spanish you can understand them saying, the better.
 

levious

That throwing stick stunt of yours has boomeranged on us.
JayDubya said:
If you live in an area with Freebirds (Texas-only chain so far, the four major cities + College Station & Lubbock), skip Chipotle. I'd probably like Chipotle if I didn't know Freebirds existed, but damn.


they have good rice
 
eXxy said:
Chipotle burritos are far superior to Qdoba's, but Qdoba has a way better selection. Their quesadillas are killer -- though nothing compares to a real mexican joint. The dirtier, the less spanish you can understand them saying, the better.


Is Puerto Valharta a national chain? We have those down here in Indiana. The staff is almost exclusively Latino except for the hostess girls. You try to alter your order and even if the waiter is nodding and agreeing wtih you, you wont get it the way you want. but my point being is that it is much better than these mexican mcdonalds. the food tastes real and the portions are generous.
 

Meier

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levious said:
that's quite a fantasy perception. No one spends $6.50 plus at a typical fast-food restaurant.

Really? Outside of Wendy's with that $2.99 deal that I've got once, I cant remember spending less than this in forever. Chipotle is pretty great -- their shredded beef is excellent. None up here in Tallahassee yet though.. Moe's does me just fine although my girlfriend prefers Qdoba.
 

levious

That throwing stick stunt of yours has boomeranged on us.
Meier said:
Really? Outside of Wendy's with that $2.99 deal that I've got once, I cant remember spending less than this in forever.

without supersizing, and outside of triple patty burgers, yeah, 4 or 5 per meal, no more. I live in the DC area. I'm sure New York city for one would be more, and especially airports.
 

Maya

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Had to dig this out...

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Meier said:
Really? Outside of Wendy's with that $2.99 deal that I've got once, I cant remember spending less than this in forever. Chipotle is pretty great -- their shredded beef is excellent. None up here in Tallahassee yet though.. Moe's does me just fine although my girlfriend prefers Qdoba.

Moe's FTW.
 

levious

That throwing stick stunt of yours has boomeranged on us.
duderon said:
I've eaten at Moe's enough to know they're all about riding Chipotle's coattails.


chipotle did not innovate anything with this food, they are pretty modern... Burrito Bros., Burrito Joynt, Freebird's etc. have all been doing the same for years or decades prior to McDonald's hopping on the burrito bandwagon.
 

Meier

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levious said:
without supersizing, and outside of triple patty burgers, yeah, 4 or 5 per meal, no more. I live in the DC area. I'm sure New York city for one would be more, and especially airports.

Heck, even Subway is about $6.50 for a 6" sub combo. I think when he really is referencing upper echelon fast food which the Chipotle clientele probably visits. Panera, Moe's, Firehouse Subs, Tropical Smoothie -- any of these places you'll spend $6-10 per meal. I haven't been to a lower tier (BK, Taco Bell, etc.) fast food place in who knows how long.
 

Coin Return

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I eat Chipotle at least once a week. I get the Burrito Bowl though, you can mix everything around and it tastes better that way, methinks. And their hot salsa is godly. The local Qdoba around here sucks, all 3 times I went their the meat was all fatty, plus the beans tasted like they'd been sitting out for 2 days.
 
Great article, and I'm happy they use (mostly) all natural ingrediants.

But I also have to chime in that while I like them and still eat it, it's very rare. Too many calories and too much fat/ saturated fat / cholesteral.

Check out the Chipotle Calculater to see what your favorite meal weighs in at.

While mine isn't as bad as that 2,070 calorie burrito, it's still not all that great, coming in at 1,237 calories, 53g fat (14.5 sat) and 96mg cholesteral.
 

Meier

Member
duderon said:
I've eaten at Moe's enough to know they're all about riding Chipotle's coattails. The food quality isn't there.

Umm, Moe's has been around for a number of years longer than Chipotle has been a major chain. After McDonald's bought out Chipotle a few years ago, they expanded.. but Moe's has been a big player here in the South for quite awhile. Their food is vastly superior to all other burrito chains.. the chips in particular blow them all out of the water.

WELCOME TO MOE'S!
 

levious

That throwing stick stunt of yours has boomeranged on us.
Meier said:
I think when he really is referencing upper echelon fast food which the Chipotle clientele probably visits. Panera, Moe's, Firehouse Subs, Tropical Smoothie -- any of these places you'll spend $6-10 per meal. I haven't been to a lower tier (BK, Taco Bell, etc.) fast food place in who knows how long.

well that'd be quite different then, you could even throw Fuddrucker's into the mix.
 

duderon

rollin' in the gutter
levious said:
chipotle did not innovate anything with this food, they are pretty modern... Burrito Bros., Burrito Joynt, Freebird's etc. have all been doing the same for years or decades prior to McDonald's hopping on the burrito bandwagon.

That's cute that you think McDonalds is still behind Chipotle. I understand that regional chains may be favored by some people over Chipotle, but nothing comes close nationally.
 

yacobod

Banned
duderon said:
I've eaten at Moe's enough to know they're all about riding Chipotle's coattails. The food quality isn't there.

i agree Moes sucks, not on the same lvl as chipotle or qdoba
 

levious

That throwing stick stunt of yours has boomeranged on us.
duderon said:
That's cute that you think McDonalds is still behind Chipotle. I understand that regional chains may be favored by some people over Chipotle, but nothing comes close nationally.


cute? Were you all about Chipotle before McDonald's got involved? I doubt it, but sorry if I'm assuming wrong.
 

duderon

rollin' in the gutter
Meier said:
Umm, Moe's has been around for a number of years longer than Chipotle has been a major chain. After McDonald's bought out Chipotle a few years ago, they expanded.. but Moe's has been a big player here in the South for quite awhile. Their food is vastly superior to all other burrito chains.. the chips in particular blow them all out of the water.

WELCOME TO MOE'S!

I don't know what they're doing down south, but the Moe's in Columbus doesn't use any organic meats. The chips are fried and usually over-salted.
 

Meier

Member
duderon said:
I don't know what they're doing down south, but the Moe's in Columbus doesn't use any organic meats. The chips are fried and usually over-salted.

I really couldn't give a shit if the meat is organic. It tastes incredible. The chips are fried and they're delicious.. and yes they're as unhealthy as the burrito itself, but who cares? You don't go to these places expecting healthy food... :lol That being said, a Joey with steak or chicken and no sour cream/guac is less than 30 grams of fat. Definitely the healthiest of the major burrito chains from my experience.
 

levious

That throwing stick stunt of yours has boomeranged on us.
of course the chips are fried!!

If all you care about is baked chips and organic meat...
 

duderon

rollin' in the gutter
Meier said:
I really couldn't give a shit if the meat is organic. It tastes incredible. The chips are fried and they're delicious. You don't go to these places expecting healthy food... :lol That being said, a Joey with steak or chicken and no sour cream/guac is less than 30 grams of fat. Definitely the healthiest of the major burrito chains from my experience.

I go to Chipotle because it's healthy AND it tastes good. Such a novel idea, it may catch on. Oh wait, what's that? It already has?

Moe's can't compare to Chipotle when it comes to quality of the food. I know you can't accept it, but it's the truth.
 

Meier

Member
Dude.. it's obviously not that healthy in all cases. 2070 calories and 91 grams of fat in a burrito -- it don't mean shit if the meat's organic then. I like Chipotle. It's good. I probably ate at one before you did, but their food is not as good as Moe's to me -- plain and simple, nothing is. Tijuana Flats comes darn close, but they're not in Tallahassee either.
 

shantyman

WHO DEY!?
yacobod said:
well chipotle isnt exactly mexican food :D

i like chipotle, but i prefer a qdoba burrito

kinda like a pepsi/coke thing, while i'll drink/like coke, i prefer pepsi

I agree on the pepsi/coke analogy.

Chipotle is "mexican style." :)
 

IJoel

Member
Chipotle is one of my favorite cheap places to indulge myself when I want to do so. Their burrito fajitas with carnitas are just TO DIE FOR!

Again, it's indulging because each burrito probably packs more than 1200 calories. For those that haven't gone there and have the chance, I can't recommend it enough.

Their chips and salsa are quite good too.
 

duderon

rollin' in the gutter
levious said:
cute? Were you all about Chipotle before McDonald's got involved? I doubt it, but sorry if I'm assuming wrong.

McDonald's stake in Chipotle didn't matter to me as long as they didn't compromise what the company set out to do. Make healthy food that tasted good.
 

Lelielle

Member
I really hope to see more businesses like this, that use ethically sound and chemical free food, god only knows what all the weird stuff that they put in food nowadays does to you. i'm a vegetarian but i have nothing against meat eating if the source of the meat raises the animals cruelty -free and without all the antibiotics etc. Remember that the highest grade of beef (Wagyu?)comes from cows that are spoiled rotten (fed beer and given massages daily) lol.
 

levious

That throwing stick stunt of yours has boomeranged on us.
I go to Chipotle because it's healthy AND it tastes good. Such a novel idea, it may catch on. Oh wait, what's that? It already has?

Moe's can't compare to Chipotle when it comes to quality of the food. I know you can't accept it, but it's the truth.

fanboy allegiance to chipotle... what's next?

duderon said:
McDonald's stake in Chipotle didn't matter to me as long as they didn't compromise what the company set out to do. Make healthy food that tasted good.


all I was saying was that you most likely would not have been exposed to it without McD's, and my mention of them was only in reference to a timeline originally, not a criticism.
 

shantyman

WHO DEY!?
levious said:
chipotle did not innovate anything with this food, they are pretty modern... Burrito Bros., Burrito Joynt, Freebird's etc. have all been doing the same for years or decades prior to McDonald's hopping on the burrito bandwagon.

McDonald's had nothing to so with their formation, and has since sold off all its shares that it bought. It was one of those deals where Chipotle called all the shots, McDs was just trying to make an investment with a return.
 
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