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bluemax said:
They're the kind of school that fires a Fridge, thinks they're getting the Pirate and ends up with a Randy Edsall.

They did make a Rose Bowl under Zook, how many other B1G schools have made a Rose Bowl in that span?
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But the only reason they made the Rose Bowl was due to OSU playing the BCS champ game so it only half counts. :P
 
andycapps said:
Georgia claims five national titles, Georgia Tech claims 4. With Georgia being in one of the best states in the country for recruits, huge football budget with massive surpluses, etc it's definitely in the top 10 for coaching jobs in the US. Up there with Penn State, Bama, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Michigan, etc.
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Hmm. It's probably a top 25 coaching job. Especially now that "SEC SEC SEC."

Dunno about top 10, though.
 
Talon- said:
Oh, sure, Georgia pulls as many resources in terms of money, facilities, and fans as any program in the country. No doubt about that. I'm just saying in terms of national recognition and pull.

I'm just annoyed because Georgia fans my whole life have acted like they're the class of the conference when they can't get past Florida.

I don't understand the fascination with Kirby Smart, to be honest. He has, what, two years of experience under his belt? As a DC under a coach that's known to be as hands-on with the defensive gameplan as any coach in college. I know Richt has had issues with discipline and more inconsistent play in the last two seasons, but he's a damn good coach that's won a lot of games for your program. You don't move on unless you're sure that you'll improve.

Unfortunately, expectations (again, back to this) have gotten out of hand in the SEC. I'm admittedly one of those guys that feels Phil Fulmer got a raw deal.
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Honestly they don't need to bring in a ton of recruits from out of state as long as they can lock up the majority of the top recruits in the state of Georgia. Which is a hard thing when Bama and Florida are both on the rise right now. Obviously Georgia Tech is there as well and they'll usually get a few of the top ones as well.

I assume you're a Tennessee fan regarding Georgia fans acting like they're the class of the conference? Florida has had Georgia's number during my life as well, and as a Georgia fan, there's nothing more frustrating than having a great season, minus that annual trip to Jacksonville and them beating our team, even in the years when we've had better talent. It's definitely a stigma in the eyes of the players and coaches, as much as they may want to deny it. Fortunately, our new AD is saying some of the right things that should be said about that game and hopefully things start to turn around. I know that prior to the 90's and Spurrier coming there, we'd had Florida's number for about 20 years or so. The series is definitely cyclical and it's about time to swing back in our favor. I can guarantee Richt is gone if he has another season like this year or last year. He's been progressively getting worse and part of that may just be part of what happens over a 10 year career, and part of it may be that his heart's not in it anymore. Vince Dooley went 6-6 and won the National Championship the next year. Bear Bryant had similar situations, but what they didn't have back then was 24-7 internet, blogs, ESPN, etc.

Smart is from that mold of Saban coaches that seems to do well afterwards. Saban is nothing if not tough on his teams and coaches. Demanding even, and tends to drive some of them into leaving because they can't take the stress. Plus, he's a UGA alum, can recruit in the SEC, etc. Gus Malzahn would be another, more risky option. Risky because he was coaching high school only a couple years ago.

Fulmer absolutely got the raw end of that deal after being the best coach Tennessee has had since Neyland. I think he should have had another year to fix things there. Would be equivalent to Richt being axed after last season, maybe this season. He's earned the right to fix things, if he can. I didn't agree with Tuberville being given the shaft either, but SEC football is serious business.
 
It gameday boys and girls! I think OSU wins this, TP will be super motivated. I mean why wouldnt he? He gets another trinket to sell after tonight's victory, he already has that money as good as spent.
 
I know this is a Yahoo! article, but Dan Wetzel with some good stuff about the OSU bullshit.


Cyan said:
Hmm. It's probably a top 25 coaching job. Especially now that "SEC SEC SEC."

Dunno about top 10, though.
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In no order:

Texas
Florida
Oklahoma
USC
Ohio State
Alabama

There's probably your top 6 coaching jobs. I dunno who I'd pick as the next 4, because everyone else is a mix of "Johnny Come Lately", or "Used to be a power but isn't as relevant anymore". I mean theoretically Notre Dame should be on the list given that anyone who achieves success their is gonna be deified.
 
bucknuticus said:
It gameday boys and girls! I think OSU wins this, TP will be super motivated. I mean why wouldnt he? He gets another trinket to sell after tonight's victory, he already has that money as good as spent.
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Tuesday night. Junior High Football. Games, Shows and Sleep, etc.

I have already insulted the Piggy a couple pages back, so go back there for reference.

Take note: Instead of attacking me, he wisely trashed talked your football.
 
Talon- said:
I have no team, andy. Just a dust in the wind.

I was born and raised in metro Atlanta.

Anyways, the whole of my point was this:
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I see, you were raised in the shadow of the North Avenue Trade School. My condolences.

And yes, SEC football is very serious business. :lol
 
Meier said:
Clowney will definitely be a Cock. He's visiting us, LSU, Bama, etc. but it's just for fun. No chance he leaves South Carolina and I'd say Clemson has less of a chance than the others mentioned. They're a non-factor in his recruitment.
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I wish Warchant would stop putting him on the front page so that Noles, like my neighbor, would quit talking about how FSU has a shot with him. My neighbor texted me today saying "Watch that warchant interview with Clowney. We have a shot!"

I'll just be happy if FSU can sign 75% of this great recruiting class it has lined up.
 
andycapps said:
I see, you were raised in the shadow of the North Avenue Trade School. My condolences.

And yes, SEC football is very serious business. :lol
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I actually went to school with your boy Brannan Southerland.
 
LosDaddie said:
I wish Warchant would stop putting him on the front page so that Noles, like my neighbor, would quit talking about how FSU has a shot with him. My neighbor texted me today saying "Watch that warchant interview with Clowney. We have a shot!"

I'll just be happy if FSU can sign 75% of this great recruiting class it has lined up.
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Yeah, I mean we have a "shot" since he's coming but it has to be 5% at best. Our best bet is that Karlos is in his ear big time and wins the Defensive MVP at the game tomorrow and maybe he wants to follow a winner. :D
 
andycapps said:
Honestly they don't need to bring in a ton of recruits from out of state as long as they can lock up the majority of the top recruits in the state of Georgia. Which is a hard thing when Bama and Florida are both on the rise right now. Obviously Georgia Tech is there as well and they'll usually get a few of the top ones as well.

I assume you're a Tennessee fan regarding Georgia fans acting like they're the class of the conference? Florida has had Georgia's number during my life as well, and as a Georgia fan, there's nothing more frustrating than having a great season, minus that annual trip to Jacksonville and them beating our team, even in the years when we've had better talent. It's definitely a stigma in the eyes of the players and coaches, as much as they may want to deny it. Fortunately, our new AD is saying some of the right things that should be said about that game and hopefully things start to turn around. I know that prior to the 90's and Spurrier coming there, we'd had Florida's number for about 20 years or so. The series is definitely cyclical and it's about time to swing back in our favor. I can guarantee Richt is gone if he has another season like this year or last year. He's been progressively getting worse and part of that may just be part of what happens over a 10 year career, and part of it may be that his heart's not in it anymore. Vince Dooley went 6-6 and won the National Championship the next year. Bear Bryant had similar situations, but what they didn't have back then was 24-7 internet, blogs, ESPN, etc.

Smart is from that mold of Saban coaches that seems to do well afterwards. Saban is nothing if not tough on his teams and coaches. Demanding even, and tends to drive some of them into leaving because they can't take the stress. Plus, he's a UGA alum, can recruit in the SEC, etc. Gus Malzahn would be another, more risky option. Risky because he was coaching high school only a couple years ago.

Fulmer absolutely got the raw end of that deal after being the best coach Tennessee has had since Neyland. I think he should have had another year to fix things there. Would be equivalent to Richt being axed after last season, maybe this season. He's earned the right to fix things, if he can. I didn't agree with Tuberville being given the shaft either, but SEC football is serious business.
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Best's worst year was his first. Down years were at best 4 or 5 losses. Pulling in 10 win seasons 70% of the time will keep you around.
 
andycapps said:
I see, you were raised in the shadow of the North Avenue Trade School. My condolences.

And yes, SEC football is very serious business. :lol
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I knew college football was a big deal down here. Then when I moved to Atlanta, I found out it's serious bizness :lol

I love it since I love college football
 
I love that in a year that involved Cecil and Cam Newton, that Terrelle Pryor has somehow become the poster child for all that is wrong with college football.
 
andycapps said:
I see, you were raised in the shadow of the North Avenue Trade School. My condolences.

And yes, SEC football is very serious business. :lol
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:'( I still wear my shirt with pride (maybe not pride in football, but pride nevertheless), even out here in the middle of Longhorn country.
 
Lkr said:
Such bullshit. Kids at USC right now are punished for something someone did 6-7 years ago, while OSU still pulls bullshit and don't get into any serious trouble
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It probably has more to do with OSU reporting the violations themselves and the NCAA having to find out the USC stuff themselves.
 
Azwethinkweiz said:
To make sure the profitable teams stay on top.
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Then why the fuck did they hammer USC? We're one of the most visible and profitable programs in the nation.

Why does a no name school like Auburn get off the hook and the most visible and talked about program of the last 8 years gets shellacked?

bucknuticus said:
It probably has more to do with OSU reporting the violations themselves and the NCAA having to find out the USC stuff themselves.
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It's still crap. What does Terrelle Pryor have to do to get in trouble? Kill someone? Murder someone?
 
Lkr said:
Such bullshit. Kids at USC right now are punished for something someone did 6-7 years ago, while OSU still pulls bullshit and don't get into any serious trouble
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Has more to do with the fact that USC's athletic department was found to be willfully negligent as the decision was tied with the Floyd situation and Bush's car/family home.
 
Talon- said:
Has more to do with the fact that USC's athletic department was found to be willfully negligent as the decision was tied with the Floyd situation and Bush's car/family home.
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And how has the OSU department been any better? If anything I contend that OSU's athletic department is worse at compliance than USC.
 
bluemax said:
Then why the fuck did they hammer USC? We're one of the most visible and profitable programs in the nation.

Why does a no name school like Auburn get off the hook and the most visible and talked about program of the last 8 years gets shellacked?
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I'm not saying it's fair, but I just want to point out that Auburn fans are kind of nuts and will spend tons of money on stuff related to their team.
 
bluemax said:
It's still crap. What does Terrelle Pryor have to do to get in trouble? Kill someone? Murder someone?
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The kid did get in trouble hes out 5 games, is it BS he's in the sugar bowl? Sure, but lets not act like he got off free.
 
bluemax said:
In no order:

Texas
Florida
Oklahoma
USC
Ohio State
Alabama

There's probably your top 6 coaching jobs. I dunno who I'd pick as the next 4, because everyone else is a mix of "Johnny Come Lately", or "Used to be a power but isn't as relevant anymore". I mean theoretically Notre Dame should be on the list given that anyone who achieves success their is gonna be deified.
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I'm probably putting way too much thought into this, but it's an interesting question.

I'd say the best way to rank coaching jobs would be in tiers. Something like this...

Elite Tier: pinnacle of college football. This is your end goal as a coach, unless you want to go to the pros.
USC, Texas, Oklahoma, Bama, Florida, OSU, Michigan, Notre Dame. (no particular order there)

Second Tier: high-level BCS programs.
Oregon, Nebraska, LSU, Tennessee, Penn St, FSU, Tha U, etc. Georgia belongs here.

Third Tier: mid-level BCS, high-level non-BCS.
Cal, TTech, Arkansas, Minn, BC, BYU, Utah, etc.

Fourth Tier: low-level BCS, mid-level non-BCS.
Wazzu, Baylor, Miss St, Indiana, Duke, Southern Miss, etc.

And then everything else.

I dunno, it's hard to rank this stuff. Especially since it seems like they can move around, at least between the lower ranks. Like, UCLA might ordinarily be second tier, but these days it'd probably be more like third tier for most coaches. Or the reverse for Oregon.
 
bluemax said:
And how has the OSU department been any better? If anything I contend that OSU's athletic department is worse at compliance than USC.
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The reports are public documents. Go download the PDFs.
 
crowphoenix said:
I'm not saying it's fair, but I just want to point out that Auburn fans are kind of nuts and will spend tons of money on stuff related to their team.
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And USC fans won't? We have a ridiculously wealthy, football crazy fan base with no NFL team competing for their football dollar. I know its crazy for Southern football fans to think that a West Coast team can be crazy about football, but USC might be the most football centric program on the West Coast.

bucknuticus said:
The kid did get in trouble hes out 5 games, is it BS he's in the sugar bowl? Sure, but lets not act like he got off free.
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Is that really comparable though? Especially when he can just go pro and then there were no repercussions.
 
bucknuticus said:
It probably has more to do with OSU reporting the violations themselves and the NCAA having to find out the USC stuff themselves.
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This.

bluemax said:
Is that really comparable though? Especially when he can just go pro and then there were no repercussions.
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Tressel made him and the other players that were suspended pinky-promise him not to go pro after the bowl game if their suspension was put off until next year. We'll see how that works out for them. Regardless, the suspension should have started when the violations were reported, but I think anyone outside of OSU's administration agrees on that, so that's just beating a dead horse.
 
Cyan said:
Elite Tier: pinnacle of college football. This is your end goal as a coach, unless you want to go to the pros.
USC, Texas, Oklahoma, Bama, Florida, OSU, Michigan, Notre Dame. (no particular order there)
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[KingGondo]Damn straight, go Cowboys![/KingGondo]
 
Cyan said:
I'm probably putting way too much thought into this, but it's an interesting question.

I'd say the best way to rank coaching jobs would be in tiers. Something like this...

Elite Tier: pinnacle of college football. This is your end goal as a coach, unless you want to go to the pros.
USC, Texas, Oklahoma, Bama, Florida, OSU, Michigan, Notre Dame. (no particular order there)

Second Tier: high-level BCS programs.
Oregon, Nebraska, LSU, Tennessee, Penn St, FSU, Tha U, etc. Georgia belongs here.

Third Tier: mid-level BCS, high-level non-BCS.
Cal, TTech, Arkansas, Minn, BC, BYU, Utah, etc.

Fourth Tier: low-level BCS, mid-level non-BCS.
Wazzu, Baylor, Miss St, Indiana, Duke, Southern Miss, etc.

And then everything else.

I dunno, it's hard to rank this stuff. Especially since it seems like they can move around, at least between the lower ranks. Like, UCLA might ordinarily be second tier, but these days it'd probably be more like third tier for most coaches. Or the reverse for Oregon.
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Yeah this is exactly how I'd rank things.

BTW since I'm guessing most of you have jobs and are at work (unlike me, sigh) on college football live they're basically reporting RichRod as being gone and talking about Les Miles and Brady Hoke as being the two names Michigan has to get if they can't get Harbaugh.
 
He even responded to criticism by former Buckeye quarterback and current ESPN analyst Kirk Herbstreit by mocking, “Has he beat Michigan?” (OSU went 0-4-1 against UM during Herbstreit’s career). The positive for enraged Buckeye fans: Pryor may sell the gold pants given to him for beating Michigan, but he obviously does consider it a measuring stick.
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Oh snap


I think OSU might be wise giving Pryor the Clarett treatment after this season. He's toxic now and the benefits don't outweigh the risks.
 
bluemax said:
And USC fans won't? We have a ridiculously wealthy, football crazy fan base with no NFL team competing for their football dollar. I know its crazy for Southern football fans to think that a West Coast team can be crazy about football, but USC might be the most football centric program on the West Coast.
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You're putting words into my mouth again. I don't doubt neither your team nor the zeal of your fans. I remember the amount of USC fans that came to Auburn in 02 to watch USC decimate us. I was merely pointing out that Auburn fans will spend fanatical amounts of money.
 
andycapps said:
Paging Les Miles. Also, anybody know what the buyout was on Rodriguez' contract? Not that Michigan can't afford it, just curious.
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Les Miles? Nah. We need a man that just likes to be out there. A man that likes to sling it. A man that likes to slang it.

Favre for Michigan.
 
andycapps said:
Paging Les Miles. Also, anybody know what the buyout was on Rodriguez' contract? Not that Michigan can't afford it, just curious.
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Buyout is $2.5M, down from the $4M it would have been had he been canned before Jan. 1. There is some speculation this is why Brandon let him dangle for 6 weeks.
 
andycapps said:
Paging Les Miles. Also, anybody know what the buyout was on Rodriguez' contract? Not that Michigan can't afford it, just curious.
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Pretty sure it was 2.5 million.

Edit: beaten
 
Dude Abides said:
Buyout is $2.5M, down from the $4M it would have been had he been canned before Jan. 1. There is some speculation this is why Brandon let him dangle for 6 weeks.
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I don't necessarily buy that. I think that Brandon hadn't yet made up his mind as of the bowl game. If Michigan had beaten Mississippi State, it's possible that Rodriguez would still be coaching.
 
Mgoblue201 said:
I don't necessarily buy that. I think that Brandon hadn't yet made up his mind as of the bowl game. If Michigan had beaten Mississippi State, it's possible that Rodriguez would still be coaching.
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Perhaps. I would hope the decision wouldn't hinge on one game, however. At least Brandon's not on a boat!
 
ConfusingJazz said:
Les Miles? Nah. We need a man that just likes to be out there. A man that likes to sling it. A man that likes to slang it.

Favre for Michigan.
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Can you imagine? :lol

Neither Brady Hoke or Les Miles is what I would consider a great pick, why not go with #4?

On the topic of Rich Rod, sad day indeed. He's a good man but not as good of a coach as we once believed. After that beatdown by Mississippi State it was clear he was a goner.
 
Dude Abides said:
Buyout is $2.5M, down from the $4M it would have been had he been canned before Jan. 1. There is some speculation this is why Brandon let him dangle for 6 weeks.
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Well it doesn't hurt that there is more reason for doing so after losing so spectacularly, and also with the buyout being less.

ConfusingJazz said:
Les Miles? Nah. We need a man that just likes to be out there. A man that likes to sling it. A man that likes to slang it.

Favre for Michigan.
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Come on, who wouldn't want to see the clock management challenged Mad Hatter at Michigan? That'd be great. They'd have such great dreams of him working a miracle there.
 
I wonder who they will hire. Is there any favorite son they can rip from a good program who runs an offense totally incongruous to the existing talent base?
 
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