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College Football Thread - "Whoa, Nellie"

HeisenbergFX4 said:
I just dont feel these stats the day before the selections warrant getting a 3 loss team into the CFP

Again I didn't watch the game but these paint a pretty ugly picture

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Those stats actually make Bama look better. Georgia dominated them from start to finish. Bama only had 100 yards total at the end of the 3rd, and they only scored on a fluke tipped ball and two pass interference penalties. They didn't do anything the entire game other than that drive.

I also don't get this idea that you shouldn't punish someone for losing the CCG. It literally happens every year. Go look back at the rankings for every CCG loser for the past 20 years and they ALL drop. Hell, Georgia went from #1 to out of the playoffs because of a 3 point SEC CCG loss. SMU and Texas dropped last year. This entire thing was 100% calculated by the committee. If Virginia wins that game last night they'd have their ACC team and would have dropped Bama between Miami and ND to get ND in. Duke winning is why Alabama didn't drop and Miami got in because of the head to head with ND.

I think the playoff system is stupid anyway. It's a shitshow that devalues the season for the biggest conferences just so they can toss in a few feel goods that have zero business being in the playoff in the first place. Alabama should absolutely be out, but so should have half the bracket. We have two cupcake matchups, a rematch in the first round, and an inevitable rematch in the second round. It's all trash, and I hate it so much I hope Georgia and Alabama run the table so that the entire country is subjected to take three of Georgia/Alabama in the dumbest NCG in CFB history.
 
RafterXL said:
Those stats actually make Bama look better. Georgia dominated them from start to finish. Bama only had 100 yards total at the end of the 3rd, and they only scored on a fluke tipped ball and two pass interference penalties. They didn't do anything the entire game other than that drive.

I also don't get this idea that you shouldn't punish someone for losing the CCG. It literally happens every year. Go look back at the rankings for every CCG loser for the past 20 years and they ALL drop. Hell, Georgia went from #1 to out of the playoffs because of a 3 point SEC CCG loss. SMU and Texas dropped last year. This entire thing was 100% calculated by the committee. If Virginia wins that game last night they'd have their ACC team and would have dropped Bama between Miami and ND to get ND in. Duke winning is why Alabama didn't drop and Miami got in because of the head to head with ND.

I think the playoff system is stupid anyway. It's a shitshow that devalues the season for the biggest conferences just so they can toss in a few feel goods that have zero business being in the playoff in the first place. Alabama should absolutely be out, but so should have half the bracket. We have two cupcake matchups, a rematch in the first round, and an inevitable rematch in the second round. It's all trash, and I hate it so much I hope Georgia and Alabama run the table so that the entire country is subjected to take three of Georgia/Alabama in the dumbest NCG in CFB history.
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I feel you should get penalized for getting cooked even in a conference title game

If this would have finished as a 3 point game then fine

And I personally hate this whole strength of schedule argument as well arguing over what are somewhat arbitrary numbers anyhow
 
Not putting ND in seems like a mistake. I would also take Bama out. Miami doesn't travel or fill up their own stadium so I know they want them out quickly. Overall the selection committee continues to confirm they are morons.
 
AJUMP23 said:
Not putting ND in seems like a mistake. I would also take Bama out. Miami doesn't travel or fill up their own stadium so I know they want them out quickly. Overall the selection committee continues to confirm they are morons.
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Disagree. ND was 1-2 vs ranked teams; they played nobody. While Bama's loss was embarrassing, they had a better resume.
 
Ya, the FSU loss sucked, but it was early. Their resume is way better than ND's. They probably have the best win in CFP. The win on the road vs UGA put them in.
 
HeisenbergFX4 said:
I feel you should get penalized for getting cooked even in a conference title game

If this would have finished as a 3 point game then fine

And I personally hate this whole strength of schedule argument as well arguing over what are somewhat arbitrary numbers anyhow
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Now, I *do* agree with this, but it needs to be applied equally across the board. As a GT fan >sigh< I knew that even when they were undefeated, ranking them any higher would just have been ridiculous. Their schedule just is NOT as strong as others.

The best of the SEC "West" (is that even a thing anymore?) is obviously weaker than the best of the SEC East, so that should be taken into account.

Also -- 3-loss team. C'mon.
 
Giving Alabama a permanent spot in the CFP won't ever bite them in the ass later because there's no way Bama will ever lose more than 3 games in a season ever again, right?
 
AJUMP23 said:
Sounds like they going to officially be a business like entity and not a university football team.

Are universities exempt from taxes? Maybe that will make it a money making venture, no taxes.
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Utah is a state public school and traditionally tax payer funds go to help pay for things.
 
Man CFB has like 5 years before it is completely ruined with all of the money being thrown around. All public funds need to be pulled from these universities paying athletes millions to pay a fucking game.
 
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Hari Seldon said:
Man CFB has like 5 years before it is completely ruined with all of the money being thrown around. All public funds need to be pulled from these universities paying athletes millions to pay a fucking game.
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It already is. You see an NFL game now, and it's "Steve Stevenson, Auburn." when the players are introduced. In a year it's gonna be "John Johnson, Auburn, Oregon, Michigan, and Ohio State."
I hate it. That's not what college athletics are supposed to be about. (I *do* think they should be allowed a stipend or get paid on some level, though ...)
 
spookyfish said:
It already is. You see an NFL game now, and it's "Steve Stevenson, Auburn." when the players are introduced. In a year it's gonna be "John Johnson, Auburn, Oregon, Michigan, and Ohio State."
I hate it. That's not what college athletics are supposed to be about. (I *do* think they should be allowed a stipend or get paid on some level, though ...)
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Even before NIL the majority of pro athletes came from the same schools in about every sport

Coming from someone who was a College athlete back in the 1980s I can assure you even back then athletes were getting paid
 
HeisenbergFX4 said:
Many got improper benefits but nothing like today obviously

Personally I don't have a problem with it and honestly its the only reason IU turned things around
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Well ya because the NCAA at one point was restricting how much Cereal you could serve an athlete. Their rules in some areas were extremely draconian. Now they are like "Everyone can gamble" just not on their own game. Athletics lifted a lot of people out of poverty. The cruelty is when you are no longer useful they let you fall back in. No resources to turn your life around, your family, to sustain and maintain wealth. I would require all college athletes take a course in money management or something similar to at least give them some help.

no issue with people making money from something they are better at than others. The schools have made billions off of their free labor. I would probably set up a player trust though so that they get some money in school and some when they leave.
 
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HeisenbergFX4 said:
Even before NIL the majority of pro athletes came from the same schools in about every sport

Coming from someone who was a College athlete back in the 1980s I can assure you even back then athletes were getting paid
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Yeah, I kind of wanted to get your take on all of this, seeing as how you were a part of the system in the past.

And I just meant people would go to college because they had an affinity for the college or university, "I'm from Auburn." but now with the transfer portal and payment system, they're from Auburn -- and Georgia, and Ohio State, and Michigan ... etc."
 
spookyfish said:
Yeah, I kind of wanted to get your take on all of this, seeing as how you were a part of the system in the past.

And I just meant people would go to college because they had an affinity for the college or university, "I'm from Auburn." but now with the transfer portal and payment system, they're from Auburn -- and Georgia, and Ohio State, and Michigan ... etc."
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The main schools still had the better coaching staffs and at a time before the internet those schools got more coverage and better chances to display your skills for possible professional teams

I 100% wanted IU because of my affinity to that school even though I had better offers from better baseball schools

AJUMP23 said:
Well ya because the NCAA at one point was restricting how much Cereal you could serve an athlete. Their rules in some areas were extremely draconian. Now they are like "Everyone can gamble" just not on their own game. Athletics lifted a lot of people out of poverty. The cruelty is when you are no longer useful they let you fall back in. No resources to turn your life around, your family, to sustain and maintain wealth. I would require all college athletes take a course in money management or something similar to at least give them some help.

no issue with people making money from something they are better at than others. The schools have made billions off of their free labor. I would probably set up a player trust though so that they get some money in school and some when they leave.
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Because it was so easy for kids to receive improper benefits even without the athletes knowledge

I remember going into Mother Bears pizza after a big win and the server at the time said our pizza was on the house and one of the assistant coaches blew a gasket and admittedly was a little dramatic in making his point that couldn't happen

Still one of the best pizza joints you can go into, the on campus location anyhow
 
I don't really care if the athletes get paid or not, I just don't want tuition money bleeding into any of this. I don't see how it doesn't when in a few years most of these big donors realize that flushing millions to acquire players with no contract is a dumbass use of their money.
 
Hari Seldon said:
I don't really care if the athletes get paid or not, I just don't want tuition money bleeding into any of this. I don't see how it doesn't when in a few years most of these big donors realize that flushing millions to acquire players with no contract is a dumbass use of their money.
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IU was great to me and for me so I give back every year and admittedly have given more the last 2 years than ever before

I am grateful for what IU did for me and I actually love the idea my money has helped fund this football turn around to some degree and the joy I have gotten going to games

Funny enough I never attend baseball games only basketball and football
 
AJUMP23 said:
Baseball is kinda boring to watch. It is good to admit that.
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I attend several MLB games every year because its free having the Gold Card but even then, most games can be quite boring to watch until it gets close to playoff time

That said I much prefer going to football games college, NFL and even started attending some indoor football and basketball, just more energy in those arenas

I hate watching hockey on TV but attending those games is a different animal, much more enjoyable in person

Funny enough my wife is a bigger baseball fan than I am and maybe not a bigger baseball nerd in the world than her
 
As an Alum of a particular Big Ten University, it is too bad this happened after the coaches were hired.

Matt Campbell, or James Franklin would have been intriguing choices to lead Michigan football.

Who could lead them now? Brohm, PJ Fleck, Jimbo Fisher, Elko, Mike Tomlin? …Lots of options…still though…

Hmmm…
 
Sounds like a psychotic break. Just the world came crashing down around him and he couldn't deal with it all at once.
 
I am a Michigan Alum. Notre dame needs to join the B1G. But B1G needs to be 24 teams in 3 conferences of 8 or4 conferences of 6.

Winner of conference is automatically in the CFP.

SEC needs to do the same, btw. So does Big 12.
 
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WhiteWaterM00se said:
I am a Michigan Alum. Notre dame needs to join the B1G. But B1G needs to be 24 teams in 3 conferences of 8 or4 conferences of 6.

Winner of conference is automatically in the CFP.

SEC needs to do the same, btw. So does Big 12.
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ND being in or out of a conference isn't the bigger issue here with this CFP

Its letting in a 2 loss Tulane team and a 1 loss JMU team

Tulane already lost to Ole Miss 45-10 and to UTSA that was a 6-6 team

With limited slots they should not be giving out participation trophy type of spots
 
You should probably be in a Power 5 conference to get to the playoff. Although I like watching MAC teams and would love to see a lower conference team come in an overturn the norms.
 
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