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Sirpopopop said:
That Oregon win is a lot more impressive than beating all three of those teams on the road.

Props to Boise.

However, much like the Big East eventually getting hurt by the Pitt loss to NC State, TCU is going to get pummeled by BYU's brain fart against FSU.

You gotta be kidding me. Oregon was breaking in a new coach and was all sorts of confused about how to run their offense in that game. BSU has shown to have a bad defense, so you know Oregon was just way out of sorts that game, and it wasn't because Boise St was just great that night. If the two teams played now, Oregon wins, even in Boise.

Besides, TCU still has a game against Utah, who should probably be top 15 by the time they meet. Do you really think BYU's loss against FSU was that bad if they were already ranked #16 going into this week?

A win against a confused team in week 1 is nothing compared to several good wins throughout the year.
 
perfectchaos007 said:
USC lost to Wazzu so I would put them at #8

USC lost to U-dub, not Wazzu.

Also, Iowa should be 4th. They've played the toughest schedule among all the undefeateds (this includes Texas/Bama/UF). After Iowa, I would put TCU, then Cinci, USC, Boise State.

1. Alabama
1. Florida
1. Texas
4. Iowa
5. TCU
6. Cinci
7. USC
8. Boise State
 
I'd rank Oregon higher than USC and not off of bias.


Oregon's loss was at Boise State (7-0)
USC's loss was at UW (3-5 and they got blown at home today, by Oregon)

USC's non-conference games:
W @ Ohio State (6-2 with a loss to Purdue)
W @ Notre Dame (5-2)
W vs SJSU (something shitty)

Oregon's non-conference games:
W vs. Utah (6-1)
W vs. Purdue (ahah!)
L @ Boise State

Oregon has better cheerleaders too.
 
Sooooo... our offense looks great until it gets to the opponent's 40 yard line, then everything falls apart.

This O-line is going to get eaten alive over the next month. Screen pass!

And that was the coldest I've ever been at a football game. It was like a wind tunnel up there.
 
Jade Knight 08 said:
Really, i wasn't aware they made changes.

I went back to check on the DVR and you're right. It is Juio. My bad! Thanks for correcting me.

No worries. :D Jerrell Harris switched from 5 to 10 and Chris Rogers switched from 8 to 1 this week so that they could be on the field during special teams play at the same time as Upchurch and Julio, respectively.

As a side effect, I think this means that Scott (who used to be 1) is definitely getting red shirted this year.
 
lakesideflight said:
I don't know, even if you're not a usc fan it's still hard not to be a fan of some blond SoCal girl in a tight sweater

That squad is full of butterfaces this year. UCLA is better than USC, and Oregon is slightly better than UCLA...probably. Either way, USC isn't winning that one this year.
 
Jeff-DSA said:
You gotta be kidding me. Oregon was breaking in a new coach and was all sorts of confused about how to run their offense in that game. BSU has shown to have a bad defense, so you know Oregon was just way out of sorts that game, and it wasn't because Boise St was just great that night. If the two teams played now, Oregon wins, even in Boise.

Besides, TCU still has a game against Utah, who should probably be top 15 by the time they meet. Do you really think BYU's loss against FSU was that bad if they were already ranked #16 going into this week?

A win against a confused team in week 1 is nothing compared to several good wins throughout the year.

The irony here is delicious.

Making justifications for Boise's win against Oregon, yet wanting to look directly at W/L when it comes to TCU.

That's because under a pure W/L scenario, TCU's schedule doesn't look that more impressive than Boise's schedule.

Clemson and Virginia aren't that good, and their records bear that out.

Still, the season is still young, but as of right now, at best TCU can have wins against 2-3 good teams, while Boise will have 1 win against a great team. Under the pure win-loss scenario Boise looks a lot better.

So therefore you try to hedge the bet by making all these justifications as to why that win wasn't impressive.

Guess what? Oregon's been playing without their top running back ever since that game, and they have still been winning.
 
Sirpopopop said:
That Oregon win is a lot more impressive than beating all three of those teams on the road.

Props to Boise.

However, much like the Big East eventually getting hurt by the Pitt loss to NC State, TCU is going to get pummeled by BYU's brain fart against FSU.

Clemson just beat #10 Miami. thats big for TCU. BYU beat #3 Oklahoma. The cool thing about being undefeated with more than one good team on your schedule is your opponents have a better chance of beating other good teams thus improving your strenght. Boise St. has to pretty much rely solely on Oregon to help their ranking. TCU can get help from Clemson, BYU, Virginia, and maybe Utah in a couple weeks.
 
What sort of hell is this? For some reason, College Football Final on ESPN is having a political debate with Mark May and Lou Holtz on the merits of congressional investigation into the BCS...
 
mYm|17| said:
we all know an undefeated TCU will hop over an undefeated Boise St. team

I think it would be only right....I mean, they just faced eachother 10 months ago in a bowl game and TCU won that...

but besides, TCU's schedule is much stronger than Boise St's
 
I couldn't breathe for about half an hour after the Alabama game. Was WAY too close for comfort. No idea where the Tide will land tomorrow
 
perfectchaos007 said:
Clemson just beat #10 Miami. thats big for TCU. BYU beat #3 Oklahoma. The cool thing about being undefeated with more than one good team on your schedule is your opponents have a better chance of beating other good teams thus improving your strenght. Boise St. has to pretty much rely solely on Oregon to help their ranking. TCU can get help from Clemson, BYU, Virginia, and maybe Utah in a couple weeks.

Virginia lost to a D1AA.

Clemson is 4-3 with one of those losses to Maryland, a team that's probably good enough to barely miss the Division II playoffs.

Not what I call impressive wins. Trumping up Clemson as a "big" win at this stage is akin to pumping up the annual shitty team that manages to upset USC every year in the Pac-10 as a big win.

I think it would be only right....I mean, they just faced eachother 10 months ago in a bowl game and TCU won that...

but besides, TCU's schedule is much stronger than Boise St's

Because results from a different season with different players are all that relevant to this year.

As for the schedule - it doesn't seem that much stronger. The WAC has a 3-4 record against the MWC, so it's not as if the WAC is a vastly inferior conference.

Also, Boise isn't going to have any games against teams with winless records.
 
Pimpwerx said:
Nice return TD for USC. They have some athletes, all right. PEACE.

That was some good old fashioned S E C speed right there!

Anywho tough game tonight, OSU was a couple of red zone possessions away from beating us again. I have to give it up for Mike Reilly he's probably the best coach in the Pac 10. No one does more with less, and he consistently has his team ready to beat top 10 teams. They don't crumble at the first sign of adversity unlike other schools (cough)CAL(cough) but keep going believing they can win.

Gotta give it up to Morton and Bates for the offensive play calling as well. We could've easily had more points had the receivers held on to a few of the big play catches but still great game plan, they seem to have busted out of the conservative mode of early in the season and I'm happy for it.

After what I've seen of Texas, Alabama and Florida I think we could easily play with all 3. It's a shame that we couldn't beat UW because I think that's going to keep us out of the discussion in a wide open year.

Can't wait until the Pac 10 Championship game this next Saturday with Oregon, it's gonna be a crazy game.

I Push Fat Kids said:
I'd rank Oregon higher than USC and not off of bias.


Oregon's loss was at Boise State (7-0)
USC's loss was at UW (3-5 and they got blown at home today, by Oregon)

USC's non-conference games:
W @ Ohio State (6-2 with a loss to Purdue)
W @ Notre Dame (5-2)
W vs SJSU (something shitty)

Oregon's non-conference games:
W vs. Utah (6-1)
W vs. Purdue (ahah!)
L @ Boise State

Oregon has better cheerleaders too.

Everyone knows conference road losses hurt less than non conference ones. Also I think we get a pass from a lot of people because 1, everyone expected that, 2 we were missing our starting QB who is obviously a difference maker and 3 unlike Oregon's loss where they got flat out beat in every way we statistically dominated everything but turnovers.

Oregon gets their chance next Saturday to prove if they are legit.
 
im really impressed with the Trojan defense in a lot of ways. Not the star power from last year but these guys can swarm like nobody's business (especially the front seven). They need to get their shit together on 3rd and long though. Im tired of seeing big slant plays given up that extend drives.
 
So, I have an idea for the Pac-10. The Pac-10 seems to regularly schedule games on the lat day of the season, the same day as the Conference championship games. I think the Pac-10 should schedule the top two teams in the conference from the previous year on the last day of the season. So, this year, instead of USC playing Arizona on 12/5 , the USC-Oregon game could be the last game of the regular season. Obviously, this won't work out so nicely every year, but it will improve the chances of the conference having a marquee game on the last weekend of the regular season. Then again, Arizona might turn out to be the the #2 Pac-10 team this year after all.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
im really impressed with the Trojan defense in a lot of ways. Not the star power from last year but these guys can swarm like nobody's business (especially the front seven). They need to get their shit together on 3rd and long though. Im tired of seeing big slant plays given up that extend drives.

Always has been a problem and always will be a problem with a PC coached cover 2 defense. The way you beat it is by going underneath in the middle.

Also I'm sick of Taylor Mays, I can't wait until he's gone. This game made me realize how truly over rated he is. He doesn't play good coverage, never tries to tackle and always goes for kill shots instead of wrapping up. He's unnecessarily dirty and I'm sick of it. I think he's another part of why we give up so many big pass plays. He'd probably get benched if he didn't have such otherworldly speed to hide all his mistakes.

desh said:
So, I have an idea for the Pac-10. The Pac-10 seems to regularly schedule games on the lat day of the season, the same day as the Conference championship games. I think the Pac-10 should schedule the top two teams in the conference from the previous year on the last day of the season. So, this year, instead of USC playing Arizona on 12/5 , the USC-Oregon game could be the last game of the regular season. Obviously, this won't work out so nicely every year, but it will improve the chances of the conference having a marquee game on the last weekend of the regular season. Then again, Arizona might turn out to be the the #2 Pac-10 team this year after all.

The last week USED to be rivalry week, it's only the most recent years (last 2?) where teams started playing someone other than their rival on the last week. In the old days that often meant USC vs ucla on the last week and usually for the Pac 10 title and the Rose Bowl birth but since ucla has sucked for the better part of the decade that hasn't happened as much. You also have to remember that every other year USC will play ND in November, usually around thanksgiving time. This is traditional and will never change.
 
ESPN's Griese offers apology for on-air 'taco' quip
October 25, 2009

Bob Griese, a college football analyst for ESPN, apologized at the end of Saturday's broadcast of the Ohio State-Minnesota football game for a comment he made about Juan Pablo Montoya during the event.

As the network promoted the broadcast of today's Martinsville race on ABC, the top five in the points were highlighted. Montoya fell to sixth after last weekend's race, and one of the announcers asked: "Where's Juan Pablo Montoya?"

Griese, laughing, said: "He's out having a taco."

At the end of the broadcast, Griese said: "Juan Pablo Montoya, he's one of the best drivers in NASCAR. Just want to apologize for the comment I made earlier in the ballgame."


ESPN issued a statement Saturday evening: "During today's telecast of the Ohio State-Minnesota college football game on ESPN, analyst Bob Griese made an inappropriate comment when discussing NASCAR driver Juan Pablo Montoya. Bob apologized during the telecast, and plans to apologize again (Saturday night) during ESPN's college football programming after his plane lands. ESPN has spoken to Bob and he understands that his comment was uncalled for."

http://hamptonroads.com/2009/10/espns-griese-offers-apology-onair-taco-quip
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bluemax said:
Also I'm sick of Taylor Mays, I can't wait until he's gone. This game made me realize how truly over rated he is. He doesn't play good coverage, never tries to tackle and always goes for kill shots instead of wrapping up. He's unnecessarily dirty and I'm sick of it.
Wow. Did you lose a bet? Seriously, never thought I'd hear an SC fan say that.

The last week USED to be rivalry week, it's only the most recent years (last 2?) where teams started playing someone other than their rival on the last week.
Yeah, it was much better the old way. We're playing U Dub the last week of the season. Seriously? Fucking U Dub?

I mean, nothing against them, but... why?
 
bluemax said:
Always has been a problem and always will be a problem with a PC coached cover 2 defense. The way you beat it is by going underneath in the middle.

Also I'm sick of Taylor Mays, I can't wait until he's gone. This game made me realize how truly over rated he is. He doesn't play good coverage, never tries to tackle and always goes for kill shots instead of wrapping up. He's unnecessarily dirty and I'm sick of it. I think he's another part of why we give up so many big pass plays. He'd probably get benched if he didn't have such otherworldly speed to hide all his mistakes.
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yeah im starting to feel the same way. He does not play like an upper classmen or a veteran at all. I like his big hits, and the guy has a ridiculous amount of natural ability but he's never gonna apply it and become a complete, defensive captain in the vein of guys like Ed Reed, Troy Palomalu or even Eric Berry. I wonder if his stock will drop come next spring during the draft much like Rey's did this past season.
 
bluemax said:
The last week USED to be rivalry week, it's only the most recent years (last 2?) where teams started playing someone other than their rival on the last week. In the old days that often meant USC vs ucla on the last week and usually for the Pac 10 title and the Rose Bowl birth but since ucla has sucked for the better part of the decade that hasn't happened as much. You also have to remember that every other year USC will play ND in November, usually around thanksgiving time. This is traditional and will never change.

But the last week of the season USED to be in November. Before the Conference Championship Games came around, the last two weeks of the season were traditionally Rivalry weeks: the week before Thanksgiving and the week of Thanksgiving. Now the last week of the season is the first weekend in December because of the Conference Championship games. It gives the Pac-10 exposure during a week that is otherwise dominated by CCGs, and without this exposure Pac-10 teams could be forgotten by the pollsters (this is what happens to the Big Ten still). In order to maximize this exposure, the Pac-10 should try and schedule what could be its best game of the season on this date.

Cyan said:
Yeah, it was much better the old way. We're playing U Dub the last week of the season. Seriously? Fucking U Dub?

I mean, nothing against them, but... why?

I think the game was supposed to be earlier in the season, but due to a scheduling conflict it got pushed back to the December date. Although, we did play each other at this time of year last year.
 
Cyan said:
Wow. Did you lose a bet? Seriously, never thought I'd hear an SC fan say that.


Yeah, it was much better the old way. We're playing U Dub the last week of the season. Seriously? Fucking U Dub?

I mean, nothing against them, but... why?

Nah no lost bets, but since I'm a Seahawks fan and they are in need of a safety I have been watching him more closely. Some stuff from some smart Seahawks fans made me start to realize Mays wasn't all that and his play this year has done 0 to warrant all his media hype. He just plays out of control and costs us a lot more yards than he saves. It's frustrating because I know he has all the physical talent in the world but he hasn't been coached well or something. Having watched Polamalu a few years ago I just don't feel Mays is in the same class.

desh said:

Probably aTm over Texas Tech. I don't think anyone saw that coming given how awful aTm has been.

As far as your point on scheduling, as best as I can remember this decade the Pac 10 has always been playing the same week as the CCGs. I think having our rivalry games that week is plenty in terms of media attention, I mean look how much attention last years Civil War game in Oregon got with OSU having a shot at the Pac 10 title and a massive BCS monkey wrench. Or a few years back when ucla upset USC to knock them out the MNC game (the Stanford year). I think even last year's Apple Cup drew attention cause people wanted to see if UW or WSU would go winless against D1 competition.

If you try to predict out matchups you'd probably end up with a USC Cal matchup at the end of this year that probably wouldn't be as good as it looked in the pre season. Rivalry games are a safer bet.
 
bluemax said:
Probably aTm over Texas Tech. I don't think anyone saw that coming given how awful aTm has been.

I knew he was talking about A&M vs. Texas Tech. I just found it amusing that there was another game involving the aggies defeating tech. What are the odds?
 
Spurs_Fan said:
how the hell did tech manage to loss to the aggies:lol
At home.

For the first time in 16 years.

In front of the biggest crowd to ever see a game in Lubbock (just expanded the seating).

::weep::
 
Spurs_Fan said:
how the hell did tech manage to loss to the aggies:lol

What the fuck.

The Big 12 makes no sense this year.

Texas Tech 66 Kansas State 14
Texas A&M 14 Kansas State 62
Texas A&M 52 Texas Tech 30

I mean, WTF?
 
Amibguous Cad said:
What the fuck.

The Big 12 makes no sense this year.

Texas Tech 66 Kansas State 14
Texas A&M 14 Kansas State 62
Texas A&M 52 Texas Tech 30

I mean, WTF?

BIG 12, where there is no such thing as defense :D
 
methane47 said:
UF has looked shakey ever since the Tebow Concussion...

I'm not soo intimidated by them any more...

They've been beatable for three straight weeks now. Of course with their joke of a remaining schedule the only team that can probably beat them is Alabama who is starting to look more and more flawed on offense.

Also I forgot this earlier, did anyone catch the ND post game? Jimmy Clausen is a dick.

Now with link:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footba...-Jimmy-Clausen-post?urn=ncaaf,197988#comments

Totally random but I think bRuins players are about to get banned from Twitter:

http://www.conquestchronicles.com/2009/10/24/1098830/priceless-shyt-from-out-of

So glad we didn't land Randall Caroll, dude seems like a massive headache.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-ucla-carroll-chow25-2009oct25,0,2234103.story
 
methane47 said:
UF has looked shakey ever since the Tebow Concussion...

I'm not soo intimidated by them any more...

You're Florida State. Jacksonville State brought you to the wire. Florida will crush you then take your sod.
 
http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2009/10/24/caleb-sturgis-for-heisman/

Orson's taking things well

That leg! That charm! That musical Biblical name! The boys from Gainesville have found an electric new presence, a thunder-legged Legolas lasering long field goals lethally into the nets of Dixie’s toodly-oodliest of football gin joints. No, his name ain’t Ca-LEG, though you certainly think it could be from the way he uses it!

No, it’s CALEB, a moniker sure to be used as the first name of choice for a thousand bouncing babes across the Sunshine State, since the St. Augustine Striker has the state buzzing with the latest fad in Florida football, THE THREE POINT SKIDOO or THREE THE FOOTSKI WAY, a real hoo-dilly more commonly known in the ol’ rule book as “the field goal.”

Sturgis made double sure that the next time he puts on the old glad rags and gets a wiggle on at his local juice joint he’ll be crawling in Shebas by kicking THREE THREE POINT SKIDOOs tonight versus Mississippi State. What say you, nifty gypsy?

Sturgis, the St. Augustine Striker: “I’m glad I can help. I kick them when we can’t score from the five yard line.”

THAT’S RIGHT, YOU BIG SIX. It’s the craze that’s sweeping Florida football, daddy-o, and from the looks of it you’ll have plenty more chances to THREE POINT SKIDOO your way into being Florida’s most copacetic Heisman nominee this year. Dames: “He’s the bees’ knees!” Fellas: “He’s quite a fella!” Offensive coordinator Steve Addazio: HURRRRRRRRRNNNNGGGGGHHHH WHERE’S MAH THINKIN’ STICK HURGGGNNNNNGHHHH

From here at EDSBS Weekly: You’re the bees knees’, Caleb, and your crazy three-point dance has doing the lindy hop trying to keep up! GET HOT, GONE DADDY!!!

Florida’s offense has reduced us to Jazz Age jibberish. We don’t know what’s going on, either, unless the idea was to feature Caleb Sturgis in this year’s offense exclusively.

:lol
 
mYm|17| said:
BIG 12, where there is no such thing as defense :D

I'm sorry, the number 1 defense in the country is in the Big 12.. and we're getting that against Big 12 offenses.. not pansy ass 'lets kick a bunch of field goals' SEC offenses.
 
RBH said:
Wrong thread, but that guy is a dick. JPM isn't even Mexican, he's Colombian. Still an inappropriate comment regardless. What would he say during an open-wheel race where the hispanic population has even more representation? PEACE.
 
Tamanon said:
You're Florida State. Jacksonville State brought you to the wire. Florida will crush you then take your sod.

LOL indeed... still though.... To me every team this year can bring FSU to its knees....
So it doesn't mean much for UF
 
woke up, still depressed over last night. After the season, someone should make a video of all of iowa's close wins this year.
 
Monroeski said:
At home.

For the first time in 16 years.

In front of the biggest crowd to ever see a game in Lubbock (just expanded the seating).

::weep::

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Anyway, this Aggie is a puzzled as anyone about the big win last night. Really happy, but also really confused. I was fully expecting Tech to hang about 75 on A&M last night.
 
After seeing a guy get banned in the MMA thread for disagreeing with a mod - I'm glad we don't get any love here in the College Football thread!
 
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