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[Lights and Waves]

So she's wearing a skirt. Big fucking deal. Weeaboo's go up in arms when their objectification of women is halted. Get some air.

 

[Quintin DM]

I don't get it, apparently Blood, violence and fucked up imagery is ok, but god forbid we see some skin in our M rated video games.

 

[Enter the Dragon Punch]

So she's wearing a skirt. Big fucking deal. Weeaboo's go up in arms when their objectification of women is halted. Get some air.

well that's that everybody out this thread is solved

 

[James Scott]

The Bravo Bikini from Bravely Default also had a scene that made less sense with the censored outfit.
The original scene from the footage in the OP is gross, though. Seems like a good change either way

 

[kuroneko0509]

Is Miu still a gravure idol in the localized version or not?

 

[kiryogi]

The Bravo Bikini from Bravely Default also had a scene that made less sense with the censored outfit.
The original scene from the footage in the OP is gross, though. Seems like a good change either way

But the point of the scene was meant to be gross and discomforting. Did you miss what Dusk Golem had to say about the intent?

 

[kunonabi]

Which is fine...just dont complain about it later when these games dont get sequels or or arent picked up for western releases in the future.


Underaged teenager girls in Bikinis isnt the same as same sex marriage or having a Boy(Link) running around in a dress - especially if its a game with cartoon type graphics

It isn't though. It's all about which dominant set of values you have to cater to and those change over time and from place to place.

 

[Shaanyboi]

Still it doesn't matter... I mean how dresses 17yo girls in USA when the go to the beach? Bikini is THAT perv?

And in Japan you can see pictures/videos like thise one from girls really younger than 17yo... 13, 14 is possible too.

Btw I'm not talking to you especially but to persons in general who feels that "oh it's OK, seeing a girl in bikini, oh my god that's terribly shocking"... -_-"

17 year olds in bikinis at a beach isn't considered perverted. Slowly zooming in on shots of their asses and taking photos a fair bit moreso...

 

[Blood Diamonds]

Still it doesn't matter... I mean how dresses 17yo girls in USA when the go to the beach? Bikini is THAT perv?

And in Japan you can see pictures/videos like thise one from girls really younger than 17yo... 13, 14 is possible too.

Btw I'm not talking to you especially but to persons in general who feels that "oh it's OK, seeing a girl in bikini, oh my god that's terribly shocking"... -_-"

Do you hear helicopters outside your home right now??

 

[sensui-tomo]

The Bravo Bikini from Bravely Default also had a scene that made less sense with the censored outfit.
The original scene from the footage in the OP is gross, though. Seems like a good change either way

Its supposed to be gross, its idol culture. Idols(people) are merchandise to higher ups, made to be sold to people.

 

[Novel Mike]

m-rated niche horror game only available online - censor models

t-rated strategy game - allow prepubescent looking girl who says she's a thousand year old dragon in bikini armor

priorities

This^

You know when Bravely Default was censored I figured it was due to the ESRB raising the game to an M rating and Nintendo didn't want that to happen to hurt marketing, that made sense to me if that was actually the case...

This on the other hand is just stupid. They are causing more controversy then would be otherwise if they had just kept the original costumes/scene in the game, its already a niche title that is being distributed digital only so you are already hurting sales that way and now you intend to piss off the very niche audience who wanted the game in the first place? That just doesn't make sense. If Nintendo wanted to censor the game they could have done it, made an option in the game that allowed you to unlock the more skimpy outfits if you wanted to but offered a warning about the content in case it annoyed those who didn't want to see it. They clearly spent time making the alternate costumes why not just give people the option and include both? Makes US fans happy so they get more options, and no restrictions and then they can offer the US costumes to Japanese players as DLC for a few dollars as a bonus. Win win.

I just don't understand decisions like this.

 

[Battlechili]

The original scene from the footage in the OP is gross, though. Seems like a good change either way

I think the scene is supposed to be uncomfortable to look at though; the main character seems very depressed and unhappy with herself. To remove it and try to make it less gross so to speak hurts it.

 

[RK128]

So the original scene's goal in with the suggestive outfit was to make the view feel uncomfortable, making the outfits existence understandable. With the EU/NA versions, they still have the scene but replace it with an attractive outfit rather than an overtly suggestive one.

The former has a stronger effect but its not like it ruins the game or anything; you are still playing through this horror tale that seems to be honestly disturbing, creepy and off-putting at points.

The game is fine and while I understand people getting upset over this, the game still is a solid one in the US/EU version, so its not like the game is any better or worse then the JP version.

Maybe Nintendo could have the original outfits be a free DLC option down the line, that way people who wanted that in the game can get them, but its clear that they didn't want to put them in the game to give attention to themselves.

However, the opposite will happen now, with people calling Nintendo on censorship with altering that scene. I hope this doesn't ruin what should be a good/great horror game for people.

 

[Alucrid]

Still it doesn't matter... I mean how dresses 17yo girls in USA when the go to the beach? Bikini is THAT perv?

And in Japan you can see pictures/videos like thise one from girls really younger than 17yo... 13, 14 is possible too.

Btw I'm not talking to you especially but to persons in general who feels that "oh it's OK, seeing a girl in bikini, oh my god that's terribly shocking"... -_-"

yes, in japan you can get psuedo child porn. that's not okay. if you started to take pictures of teenage girls in bikinis the cops would come and have a nice talk with you.

 

[Dusk Golem]

Is Miu still a gravure idol in the localized version or not?

I assume so since the scene is still there, as I said it's not a deal breaker, and her story really can't work without her being in some form of position at least similar to this, and it still works... But the grossness and sort of uncomfortable quality to this scene is how we are opened up to her position, and is something that happens in real life Japan. While it's better than completely removing the scene, it does detract from it a bit. Not to a point I'm seriously upset or anything, but a bit saddened.

 

[Sacul64GC]

Yeah, NoA dun goofed with this one big time. Not sure what makes FF V so special that they want to modify an M rated game when Bayonetta 2 was fine?

Is that cause the MC in FFV is underage and Bayo is not? Seems simple to me. Also why Simgle out NoA isnt it the same for NoE?

 

[chrono01]

The original scene from the footage in the OP is gross, though.

That's kind of the point, though. It's supposed to be disturbing, as it adds to her backstory and how miserable she is.

 

[BlitzBlake]

If people really feel they're missing out, you can always look up junior gravure idol on YouTube and get all the awkward/uncomfortable you can eat!

 

[putarorex]

At least they changed the scene a bit. It could have been the kind of censorship that Japan got with Until Dawn--black screens with sound only (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng-38rZSVj8). It is funny how Japan is ok with teenage girls in bathing suits but not with dismemberment while the west is the opposite (I'd feel more comfortable watching the latter though if my wife came into the room while I was playing the game).

 

[petran79]

Nintendo's content censorship policies have reverted to their early 90's iteration in order to match their online infrastructure.

actually Nintendo were better then.
Those games appeared on the NES!

Kings of the Beach NES port!

 

[James Scott]

If it's supposed to make them feel bad, why would the characters willing wear the costumes if they left those in?
They were clearly fan service costumes, makes it kind of worse when you think of it that way

 

[boondock18]

They got rid of a bikini? Must be why I can't get a new Kings of the Beach.

 

[Veldin]

The context of the scene is the same so I don't see how the change was worthwhile.

 

[Kagoshima_Luke]

yes, in japan you can get psuedo child porn. that's not okay. if you started to take pictures of teenage girls in bikinis the cops would come and have a nice talk with you.

I'm not sure looking at a 17 year old girl in a bikini and thinking she's attractive can be put in the same category as child porn. I mean, at some point, the difference in age between 17 and 18 is weeks, days, or even seconds. It's an arbitrary number put there by a governing body.

 

[kuroneko0509]

I assume so since the scene is still there, as I said it's not a deal breaker, and her story really can't work without her being in some form of position to that, and it still works... But the grossness and sort of uncomfortable quality to this scene is how we are opened up to her position, and is something that happens in real life, Japan. While it's better than completely removing the scene, it does detract from it a bit. Not to a point I'm seriously upset or anything, but a bit saddened.

considering they can just change her job from gravure idol into something that is a bit tamer, some scene (such as that in op) still can make sense though...

 

[kunonabi]

If it's supposed to make them feel bad, why would the characters willing wear the costumes if they left those in?
They were clearly fan service costumes, makes it kind of worse when you think of it that way

Chance are they made it a bonus costume since they already had it built for the story. They then just added another bikini for the sister to complete the set.

 

[Htown]

Let me try adding in a different approach, Lets have a game where you're a detective in japan and you're going through some leads and it gets you to a place that's basically a child sex ring and you're job is to find someone and stop it... Should the game not exist because that sex ring is a thing and you're trying to end it or because someone will be upset that its a thing in a game.. Thats what i meant by exploiting children, a game dealing with that happening... not you the player exploiting children. but a story revolved around that happening.

Sure, I'd be fine if that game existed. You have to strike a balance, though. I would not expect that game about a child sex ring to contain images of children engaging in sex acts.You have to show that this exploitative stuff is messed up without coming across like you're exploiting this stuff to pull in people. That make any sense?

Actually, now that I think about it, wouldn't putting secret sexy costumes for this character into the game be a bigger instance of undermining the story they're trying to tell than putting a few more clothes on her in that scene? Like, if her whole conflict is that she felt conflicted/awful about being objectified, and that's a central part of her story, doesn't it undercut that to go "NOW YOU CAN PLAY AS HER IN THIS SEXY BIKINI"?

 

[Battlechili]

If it's supposed to make them feel bad, why would the characters willing wear the costumes if they left those in?
They were clearly fan service costumes, makes it kind of worse when you think of it that way

I always figured bonus costumes in video games were almost always non-canon, so the character's willingness to wear something is completely ignored as it's non-canon. That makes sense considered its only allowed after beating the game once, which would be a canononical playthrough.

Actually, now that I think about it, wouldn't putting secret sexy costumes for this character into the game be a bigger instance of undermining the story they're trying to tell than putting a few more clothes on her in that scene? Like, if her whole conflict is that she felt conflicted/awful about being objectified, and that's a central part of her story, doesn't it undercut that to go "NOW YOU CAN PLAY AS HER IN THIS SEXY BIKINI"?

That's why you can't change her costumes until beating the game; it would undermine the story. After you beat the game it doesn't matter since you've already seen the story.

 

[Eila]

Personally, I don't care about the changes they made. I wasn't going to play this game, and have no interest in it.

However, the act of censorship (or localization, as some so dearly want to call it) is still completely idiotic.

In a game filled with death and grotesque, unsettling sights and experiences - Nintendo has decided to choose what's "okay" for the players to see.

It feels as if Nintendo does not look highly on their western audiences. It's like a blast to the past with how backwards this is.

Yeah, it's a small change. But it could very well set a precedent for having this happen in future titles with similar content that Nintendo produces.

And - going by what people are saying in this thread - it's important to the scene and it's supposed to make you feel uncomfortable in the context of the cutscene that has been changed? That makes this even sillier.

Does anyone know if Nintendo has censored similar content in games on the Wii U or 3DS?

Come back in a few months when Xenoblade X, that new FE and FErsona come out.
It probably helps most of their games are E. But whenever they publish T or M games, they're usually considerably edited.

 

[cw_sasuke]

I dont get why people are bringing up Bravely Default or Fire Emblem...these games are using heavy stylized graphics on your low screen 3DS. NoA is being more sensitive with FF because of the more realistic looking graphics as well as the general themes of being in danger/getting attacked/darkness....so yeah it makes sense that they dont wanna have underaged girls in Bikinis running around in that environment...

 

[SinCityAssassin]

If they can adapt the story and dialogue to the change in a competent way, I still see no fuss about it.

 

[TI82]

I just find it funny that Nintendo thinks this is okay in Japan but not in America.

 

[Alucrid]

I'm not sure looking at a 17 year old girl in a bikini and thinking she's attractive can be put in the same category as child porn. I mean, at some point, the difference in age between 17 and 18 is weeks, days, or even seconds. It's an arbitrary number put there by a governing body.

i was responding to his point of "but you can see this with kids who even younger so it's okay"

 

[Htown]

I always figured bonus costumes in video games were almost always non-canon, so the character's willingness to wear something is completely ignored as it's non-canon. That makes sense considered its only allowed after beating the game once, which would be a canononical playthrough.

But... that still seems messed up to me. If the character's story is centered around how don't want to be seen that way, doesn't it seem odd to then reward the player for a good job by sexually objectifying the character even more?

That just seems really stupid to me.

 

[kunonabi]

Come back in a few months when Xenoblade X, that new FE and FErsona come out.
It probably helps most of their games are E. But whenever they publish T or M games, they're usually considerably edited.

I always get a kick out of how pointless this edit is. All they end up accomplishing is covering a bit of butt cheek. It's still completely obvious what she's wearing anyway.

 

[Shaanyboi]

Let me try adding in a different approach, Lets have a game where you're a detective in japan and you're going through some leads and it gets you to a place that's basically a child sex ring and you're job is to find someone and stop it... Should the game not exist because that sex ring is a thing and you're trying to end it or because someone will be upset that its a thing in a game.. Thats what i meant by exploiting children, a game dealing with that happening... not you the player exploiting children. but a story revolved around that happening.

Well I dunno, does the game at any point reward you by saying "Good job! Now you can play as this sexually exploited child in a bikini costume!"

 

[chrono01]

But... that still seems messed up to me. If the character's story is centered around how don't want to be seen that way, doesn't it seem odd to then reward the player for a good job by sexually objectifying the character even more?

That just seems really stupid to me.

That's because the swimsuit as a playable costume is just there for fanservice. I don't think anyone would really argue that it isn't.

It being present in the story, though, has a meaning/purpose, which is why so many are upset at the censoring.

I always get a kick out of how pointless this edit is. All they end up accomplishing is covering a bit of butt cheek. It's still completely obvious what she's wearing anyway.

The censored image is actually more lewd, at least in my mind, if you envision the curtain as a cape.

 

[March of the Crabs]

There's no right or wrong answer here. Personally I'm glad they too that stuff out, I'm much more inclined to play the game now. I can see the opposition's viewpoint here and understand the concern, but for me personally it will improve my enjoyment of the game and it means I can play it around my girlfriend without her thinking I'm a creep. All for it!

 

[Finale Fireworker]

Western civilization has reached the point where sexualizing people is somehow more offensive than murdering them. I don't know what that means, but I'm sure that it means something.

A philosophy professor once explained to me that "you don't suffer from having been murdered, but you have to live with being raped for the rest of your life. Weaponized or reprehensible sexuality is the most dangerous act you can commit against another person and have them live to tell the tale. Every one of you will have sex in your lifetime. Some of you will have sex thousands of times. But, most likely, none of you will commit an act of violence. The American stigmatization of sex stems from the vulnerability we all stand to be affected by, and to perpetrate, the most destructive force possible to another human psyche."

That's how he prefaced our unit on child molestation and domestic sexual abuse.

It certainly gave me something to think about. I'm not backing it up or making any claims here. It's just the only thing I've ever heard of somebody trying to explain the sex versus violence.

It's also, obviously, a highly debatable position. And I think is weakened by the rise of senseless gun crime that has plagued the United States this year. But it's always stuck with me because I think, with a suitable debate, an actually valid reasoning might be pulled from there.

I've had it written down for years. It made me think a lot about sexuality and the "danger" of sex. Most people will only have happy, normal, healthy sex, I assume. But sex is a powerful force. I've been in about as many fist fights as I've had sexual partners (deduce from that what you will), but if I had to choose, the sex has had a lasting and negative impact on me while the bloody brawls have not.

There's something about being used that really stands to fuck you up. I think it has to do with the emotional wounds never healing thing.

Now I'm deep in thought and remembering all my bad break ups and how the sex contextualized the declines. Fatal Frame has ruined my night. I'm never having sex again and, also, starting a fight club.

[*tattered American flag billows behind me; the symbolism is deep*]

 

[muteki]

The censored image is actually more lewd, at least in my mind, if you envision the curtain as a cape.

A little imagination goes a long way.

 

[Enter the Dragon Punch]

Come back in a few months when Xenoblade X, that new FE and FErsona come out.
It probably helps most of their games are E. But whenever they publish T or M games, they're usually considerably edited.

I... What?

Isn't Tharja's costume normally just a bikini and body stocking..? The fuck is the point of this

 

[Gaiaknight]

At least they changed the scene a bit. It could have been the kind of censorship that Japan got with Until Dawn--black screens with sound only (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng-38rZSVj8). It is funny how Japan is ok with teenage girls in bathing suits but not with dismemberment while the west is the opposite (I'd feel more comfortable watching the latter though if my wife came into the room while I was playing the game).

well that would completely kill until dawn for me if i played the japanese version funny just how different every culture is i guess.

 

[kunonabi]

The censored image is actually more lewd, at least in my mind, if you envision the curtain as a cape.

Wait, it's a curtain? I always assumed it was a cape.

 

[KingBroly]

The censored image is actually more lewd, at least in my mind, if you envision the curtain as a cape.

Isn't it a cape? Fire Embem is known for characters wearing capes.

 

[chrono01]

A little imagination goes a long way.

Wait, it's a curtain? I always assumed it was a cape.

Isn't it a cape? Fire Embem is known for characters wearing capes.

Yes, it's definitely a cape. Let your imagination run wild!

 

[Shaanyboi]

I always figured bonus costumes in video games were almost always non-canon, so the character's willingness to wear something is completely ignored as it's non-canon. That makes sense considered its only allowed after beating the game once, which would be a canononical playthrough.
That's why you can't change her costumes until beating the game; it would undermine the story. After you beat the game it doesn't matter since you've already seen the story.

Lol "don't worry, once you've beaten the story, this character's exploitation really isn't a negative thing anymore so FEEL FREE TO DO THE THING WE WANTED YOU TO FEEL GROSS ABOUT ACOUPLE HOURS AGO!"

 

[Htown]

Lol "don't worry, once you've beaten the story, this character's exploitation really isn't a negative thing anymore so FEEL FREE TO DO THE THING WE WANTED YOU TO FEEL GROSS ABOUT ACOUPLE HOURS AGO!"

yeah, this is what bothers me about it

 

[IdreamofHIME]

There's no point have a tantrum about it, if the character is under 18 and being shown in a sexually provocative fashion then there's no way its gonna get past the Scandinavian censors. This is not a new thing and for a niche game that's not gonna set the world on fire with sales, they're not going to edit one version just for them.
Tecmo knows what they're allowed, their Dead or Alive franchise is watched like a hawk nowadays after the dimensions scandal.

 

[ZombiePlatypus]

The original is definitely uncomfortable but I feel like it added to the creep factor. At the end of the day, they censored a bikini shot.

Are we in Saudi Arabia now?


I swear between this, NoA's online only decision, and general bad word of mouth for the game, I'm teetering on not buying this all together.

Why did they even make a Fatal Frame 5 of they were gonna treat it like this?

 

[sensui-tomo]

Sure, I'd be fine if that game existed. You have to strike a balance, though. I would not expect that game about a child sex ring to contain images of children engaging in sex acts.You have to show that this exploitative stuff is messed up without coming across like you're exploiting this stuff to pull in people. That make any sense?

Actually, now that I think about it, wouldn't putting secret sexy costumes for this character into the game be a bigger instance of undermining the story they're trying to tell than putting a few more clothes on her in that scene? Like, if her whole conflict is that she felt conflicted/awful about being objectified, and that's a central part of her story, doesn't it undercut that to go "NOW YOU CAN PLAY AS HER IN THIS SEXY BIKINI"?

I dont care about the optional bikini outfit, but the scene changing is bad... I'll agree that sexy outfit for an exploited person is dumb, the scene should have stayed the same, optional outfit can go wherever .