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RustyNails said:
Can we welcome some of you folks to poligaf? All our moderate-conservative posters have been perma banned (for good reasons)/left. It's an echo chamber right now.
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This entire forum is pretty much a left leaning circlejerk anyway, it's one step away from the reddit politics forum.

I used to work on the Hill so I might have some stuff to offer, but I don't think it would be really welcome in this sort of environment, and especially not with the sort of mods we have here.

It's the same reason you don't post in religion / threads about women unless you're asking for a vacation.
 
Pretty much the key is to just avoid religion, politics, and "trap threads".

There's really no point in posting in any of those.
 
On the political compass, I fall in the bottom right quadrant, but super close to the very center, for what that's worth. And I tend to vote 3rd party (independents and libertarians), but I wouldn't want to be officially tied to the American libertarian party.

I have some views that would be considered socially liberal, but many that are extremely socially conservative--I'm a hard-liner on abortion, for instance. I tend to be anti-imperial. I favor smaller, closer communities. I value family. I strongly believe that family members should take care of each other, and when they don't neighbors should. And I think people being decent to one another would fix more problems than any political policy. That's the heart of social conservativism, as unpragmatic as it is.

I hate to be lumped in with neocons. I'm not quite a pacifist because pacifism isn't a very realistic policy for a country, but I'm awfully close to it. I also like the environment. And I tend to think progressive taxation is economically more fair than a the FairTax. That said, there's a wide range of slopes to choose from, and I imagine my slope would be flatter than most democrats, though I would account for the regressive effect of state taxes.

I think deficit spending is only fair to future generations if the economy grows enough to compensate. Right now, I think we're robbing from our kids. That said, slowing down spending now could really stunt the economy so I think we have to move slowly.
 
DUFFMCWALIN said:
I just meant that it can be 1 vs 100 sometimes in politic threads and it can get hard to debate against that.
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Exactly! Been there, done that, have the t-shirt. People start taking your comments out of context and attributing them to other unrelated posts. It's impossible to debate 20 people at the same time.
 
sp3000 said:
This entire forum is pretty much a left leaning circlejerk anyway, it's one step away from the reddit politics forum.

I used to work on the Hill so I might have some stuff to offer, but I don't think it would be really welcome in this sort of environment, and especially not with the sort of mods we have here.

It's the same reason you don't post in religion / threads about women unless you're asking for a vacation.
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I've never been banned, and I post in every controversial thread. Sometimes against popular opinion. Why, I wonder
 
Poligaf is pretty hilarious to read though. They are so ruined by anything Romney says. Half the time I wonder if they even know Obama is running. Everything is just anti-Romney.
 
sp3000 said:
This entire forum is pretty much a left leaning circlejerk anyway, it's one step away from the reddit politics forum.

I used to work on the Hill so I might have some stuff to offer, but I don't think it would be really welcome in this sort of environment, and especially not with the sort of mods we have here.

It's the same reason you don't post in religion / threads about women unless you're asking for a vacation.
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Well at least you're self aware enough to know that your views would be considered bigoted by those who espouse equal rights?
 
I'm republican but don't consider myself all that conservative. I just don't particularly care about social issues.

I also don't like talking about politics with kids or people who use it as some sort of measuring stick for intelligence.
 
Fiscally pretty conservative here. Not the asshole kind currently on parade, more along the lines of a Bill Clinton. Though I would love the option to opt out of Social Security and instead have my/my employer's payroll taxes deposited into my 401(k).

Socially I'm as liberal as they come. I suspect a decent amount of GAF is similar.
 
Fenderputty said:
I would love to see either of you two try and throw something of substance into a poligaf discussion.
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Arguing with liberals is pointless.... Why would I want to subject myself to that?

Y'all see things one way. We see things the right way.

***EDIT**** Arguing about politics in general is pointless. We can't change anything.
 
Forever said:
For religious reasons? If so I'm curious as to why that's a strong issue for you and gay marriage is not.
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I'm Christian, but I think an actual exegesis of the passages people list about abortion would show that they have nothing to do with where human life begins. That said, I wouldn't deny that religiosity doesn't influence me.

I understand the liberal side, and I share the value of personal autonomy. It's not a flippant, "women-hating" decision for me. It really isn't. But in the end, a fetus is alive and I can only call it human. And I can't condone killing innocent human life.
 
RDreamer said:
Mid R was eviscerated in a couple posts the last time he tried in one of the OT threads.
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Wrong.

And i got a 2 week vacation for arguing with yall before. All the people calling me names didn't get touched.... Some of them were even Junior Members which I thought was against the CoC for a junior member to bad mouth a member.
 
MidnightRider said:
Arguing with liberals is pointless.... Why would I want to subject myself to that?

Y'all see things one way. We see things the right way.

***EDIT**** Arguing about politics in general is pointless. We can't change anything.
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This is the worst viewpoint to have, no matter which side you're on. SMH.
 
I wouldn't say anything political on GAF unless you're looking for a fight or are far-left.

Enjoy your dogpile, fellas. Keep fighting the good fight.
 
MidnightRider said:
Arguing with liberals is pointless.... Why would I want to subject myself to that?

Y'all see things one way. We see things the right way.

***EDIT**** Arguing about politics in general is pointless. We can't change anything.
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Arguing is important - you need to challenge your ideas, and be open to the possibility that you can be wrong.

I've been wrong about a LOT of shit on GAF - but now... I'm wrong a lot less. Not saying I am super smart or knowing or some shit, but when you're wrong a lot, you start figuring out what's right.
 
RDreamer said:
Mid R was eviscerated in a couple posts the last time he tried in one of the OT threads.
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I'm pretty sure Mid R is just a really good troll. Way better than PD. IGN seems more legit. Though I would classify both of their posting styles as "drive by one liners".

I will miss TA.
 
I'm a social conservative, but I won't post my views here because I know that they are not welcome at this forum at all. It is almost guaranteed to get you banned. That is a failing of this community rather than my views. As a matter of fact I think it is best I just keep my political viewpoints to myself and vote for what I believe in. I'm okay with treating this place like Thanksgiving dinner if that's what it takes.

This forum has so many smart members so it's unfortunate, but it is what it is (politics and religion are too personal). There are plenty of other things to talk about here with intelligent people. It's very easy to just roll your eyes at the political topics here and not take it seriously at all.

jon bones said:
"social conservative" has got to be the kindest way to say bigot



so what you're saying is you hate the troops and the job creators?



basically very nice ways of saying "gun nuts, racists, bigots, and people who don't understand science"

they have harsh views on drug legalization where black people are concerned. don't touch their pain pills.

and they have strong views about "life-at-conception" unless it's their daughter or mistress.
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I will say this, it is very personally insulting to suggest that all social conservatives are bigots and racists. There is nothing further from the truth, there are plenty of social conservatives who are the kindest and most giving people in the world. They go to the poorest of the poor and volunteer their lives to help people of completely different backgrounds and beliefs, social conservatives donate more money to charity than any other group in America. My college roommate on the other hand was extremely liberal/atheist and he was one of the most racist bigoted people I've ever met. I have absolutely no hatred in my heart for minorities/women/homosexuals and for someone to say that my beliefs towards the law/politics indicate otherwise is ignorant and closed minded.

It's because of absolutist statements like this that you are not safe to post a dissenting cultural viewpoint here. If you believe social conservatives are inherently dumb/evil/bad people then what is the point of even attempting a dialogue of any kind?
 
MidnightRider said:
Wrong.
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right:

CharlieDigital vs MidnightRider said:
#1: Obamacare

Same concept that Romney pioneered. Same concept proposed in the 90's by the Republicans. Increased Americans with healthcare coverage, covered dependents to 26, brokered coverage for high risk individuals via high risk pools. Removed lifetime limits, ensuring the lives of thousands of people who depend on costly procedures to live. Sure seems like he hates Americans!

#2: Fast & Furious

Enacted by agents in Arizona, proven no responsibility to Holder, no responsibility to Obama, policy started under Bush. Get yer facts straight?

#3: Weakening the Military

Killed Osama. Increased drone strikes. Brought soldiers back from Iraq on time reuniting them with family and drawing down in Afghanistan (partially because he killed Osama). Quick and dirty in Libya -- no American lives lost and toppled a dictator in record time. Nuff said.

#4: the cover up of the Ambassador being killed

Wha....huh?

#5: unemployment rate for 4 years running

LMAO! Right, because he came into such a rosy situation like Bush did, right? Compare the employment numbers from Bush in and Bush out. Yeah, thought so.

#6: adding more public debt in 4 years than all of the other presidents combined.

Reagan doubled the national debt. Fact. Is he the worst president of all time? Bush nearly doubled it again.

The list goes on and on.

Good luck in November. Yall will need it.
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Fenderputty said:
I'm pretty sure Mid R is just a really good troll. Way better than PD. IGN seems more legit. Though I would classify both of their posting styles as "drive by one liners".

I will miss TA.
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's a troll. I should probably not feed him anymore :P
 
Log4Girlz said:
Where do you stand on Gay marriage?
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I personally don't see a problem with it. Despite being in Mississippi i'm not a very religious oriented person so i don't have that "church" conflict.

If gay people want to tie themselves to one person for the rest of their lives then who are we to say they can't?


That's probably the only viewpoint i share with liberals.
 
MidnightRider said:
It sure is better than the alternative.
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No its really not, I don't want Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan anywhere near government.

Once Jon Huntsman dropped out of the race, I lost all hope.

You know what? I don't support the terrible social conservative policies, blatantly denying people their rights. I don't support the god awful "Ryan Plan". I also don't want my taxes increased the amount Mitt Romney will end up having to, and I don't' care what you say the numbers have been crunched, it can't be done.

The GOP needs to change, and I suspect that will only happen once they ditch the radical religious sect of their party.

I would sooner bring back Bush, than put Romney in office.

MidnightRider said:
defend #4?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/deb...morgan-you-are-flogging-the-wrong-dead-horse/

EDIT* Shit. Sorry for the double post.
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Backing up your points from "The Blaze" isn't the best idea. There are plenty of other bi-partisan, less blatantly conservative places on the web.
 
Penguins&PolarBears said:
I will say this, it is very personally insulting to suggest that all social conservatives are bigots and racists. There is nothing further from the truth, there are plenty of social conservatives who are the kindest and most giving people in the world. They go to the poorest of the poor and volunteer their lives to help people of completely different backgrounds and beliefs, social conservatives donate more money to charity than any other group in America. My college roommate on the other hand was extremely liberal/atheist and he was one of the most racist bigoted people I've ever met. I have absolutely no hatred in my heart for minorities/women/homosexuals and for someone to say that my beliefs towards the law/politics indicate otherwise is ignorant and closed minded.
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Instead of posting vague "social conservatives care a lot!" nonsense why not systematically counter each of jon bones' claims
 
Kinitari said:
I've been wrong about a LOT of shit on GAF - but now... I'm wrong a lot less. Not saying I am super smart or knowing or some shit, but when you're wrong a lot, you start figuring out what's right.
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What a funny comment.

Im not picking on you at all, but there is a certain comedy to it.
 
Penguins&PolarBears said:
I won't post my views here because I know that they are not welcome at this forum at all. It is almost guaranteed to get you banned.

I have absolutely no hatred in my heart for minorities/women/homosexuals and for someone to say that my beliefs towards the law/politics indicate otherwise is ignorant and closed minded.

social conservatives donate more money to charity than any other group in America. My college roommate on the other hand was extremely liberal/atheist and he was one of the most racist bigoted people I've ever met.
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well if you think your views would get you banned, don't you think that they might be worth rethinking? you seem level-headed and well reasoned, i don't think you have to fear a ban for saying what you feel.

it seems that you don't hate minorities or women or homosexuals - so what defines you as a social conservative?

also, i don't know about your "donate more money to charity" claim and random anecdote about 1 college douchebag. neither seem relevant here.
 
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