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[Altazor]

I'm probably the only social conservatives/economic liberal on the entire internet.

the chilean right wing is exactly that.

BIG GOVERNMENT IS BAD! GAYS AND LESBIANS AND ABORTIONS ARE ALSO BAD!

 

[Gray Man]

Talking without clicking is a horrible idea.

That is linked to Morgan ripping Wasserman a new ass.

The Blaze is a source I don't like to even click on.

 

[Joel Was Right]

 

[Blades64]

Thread is already going down.

 

[Trent Strong]

I'm not a conservative, but some of the insane, hyperbolic, out of touch with reality stuff some liberal GAFers post on this forum almost makes me ashamed to be a liberal.

 

[ggnoobIGN]

Thread is already going down.

Yeah. It was fun while I lasted.

 

[Nyoro SF]

I avoid political topics here like the plague, haha. I just don't want to get banned.

 

[Blades64]

I'm not a conservative, but some of the insane, hyperbolic, out of touch with reality stuff some liberal GAFers post on this forum almost makes me ashamed to be a liberal.

I've never seen this sort of stance before. What do liberalGAF say for you to say something like that? Genuinely curious.

 

[Joel Was Right]

I was far more socially conservative before I found the OT. GAF challenged a lot of my preconceptions, and a result, they changed

 

[Schattenjäger]

I'm conservative but I hate the tea party and I hate religious fundamentalism

 

[MidnightRider]

I've never seen this sort of stance before. What do liberalGAF say for you to say something like that? Genuinely curious.

Ummmm look at the 1st page at any given hour of the day. There is always some sort of bashing Mitt thread up.

I've never seen a group of people so scared of someone in all of my life.

 

[Zhengi]

Can we welcome some of you folks to poligaf? All our moderate-conservative posters have been perma banned (for good reasons)/left. It's an echo chamber right now.

No way, it's a trap!

 

[RDreamer]

defend #4?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/deb...morgan-you-are-flogging-the-wrong-dead-horse/

EDIT* Shit. Sorry for the double post.

#2
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...gram-begun-under-the-previous-administration/

#3
doesnt prove anything

that dude didn't have a clue what he was talking about and I didn't see a reply was needed. he dug his own hole.

#4 yes it does seem that there was a bit of a bumbling with regard to what was going on in Libya directly after the fact. I can't and never said I defend everything.

#2.
Your link doesn't prove much of anything. The same sorts of programs were indeed started under Bush, so it isn't some new Obama thing. That's what Charlie was saying. The POLICY of letting guns walk was started under Bush. If your problem that, then I'd like to hear it, and you'd have the same problem with what happened under Bush. And, as your link says:

As for President Obama’s discussion about the Justice Department Inspector General’s report on Fast and Furious, it’s true the Inspector General “concluded that although Attorney General Holder was notified immediately of (Border Patrol) Agent (Brian) Terry’s shooting and death, he was not told about the connection between the firearms found at the scene of the shooting and Operation Fast and Furious.

#3
So then exactly how is Obama weak in military? And why exactly should we be "stronger," and in what way?

 

[Bloom]

I'm a social conservative, but I won't post my views here because I know that they are not welcome at this forum at all. It is almost guaranteed to get you banned. That is a failing of this community rather than my views. As a matter of fact I think it is best I just keep my political viewpoints to myself and vote for what I believe in. I'm okay with treating this place like Thanksgiving dinner if that's what it takes.

This forum has so many smart members so it's unfortunate, but it is what it is (politics and religion are too personal). There are plenty of other things to talk about here with intelligent people. It's very easy to just roll your eyes at the political topics here and not take it seriously at all.




I will say this, it is very personally insulting to suggest that all social conservatives are bigots and racists. There is nothing further from the truth, there are plenty of social conservatives who are the kindest and most giving people in the world. They go to the poorest of the poor and volunteer their lives to help people of completely different backgrounds and beliefs, social conservatives donate more money to charity than any other group in America. My college roommate on the other hand was extremely liberal/atheist and he was one of the most racist bigoted people I've ever met. I have absolutely no hatred in my heart for minorities/women/homosexuals and for someone to say that my beliefs towards the law/politics indicate otherwise is ignorant and closed minded.

It's because of absolutist statements like this that you are not safe to post a dissenting cultural viewpoint here. If you believe social conservatives are inherently dumb/evil/bad people then what is the point of even attempting a dialogue of any kind?

Same as you. I am a proud, unshakeable, God-fearing social Conservative who relies on His Word for morality, but I will not discuss of these things here, since I know that no matter what I say and how well-intended I am, I would relentlessly be labeled with every possible bad trait in the book. I have seen it happen hundreds of time and simply won't play that game. I have browsed as a guest for a long while and have not budged, so I really do believe in this, and live my life through the filter of my faith.

I agree with you that there are constant attempts to frame even the tamest social conservative as "bigoted", "wrong", or "outdated" by default. I just roll my eyes and click on something else when I see such a topic. I am more than happy to exchange and help out other members on other topics, though.

 

[jon bones]

I've never seen this sort of stance before. What do liberalGAF say for you to say something like that? Genuinely curious.

it's true - even i say ridiculous things sometimes.

i think it's for the best, though. 50 years ago "social conservatives" wouldn't have let me marry my own girlfriend because i'm not white. i'm grateful that the discussion on the table now is about groups of which i'm not a member (gays, lesbians, women) but i can't stand idly by and let a bunch of angry old white dudes take away their rights. i consider myself a patriot and this is flat out UnAmerican .

I was far more socially conservative before I found the OT. GAF challenged a lot of my preconceptions, and a result, they changed

i remember you being much more conservative a while ago. good for you for being open to changing your mind about things.

Same as you. I am a proud, unshakeable, God-fearing social Conservative who relies on His Word for morality,

well good for you, not many men and women these days have such strong convictions. but you should realize that His Word should not affect Our Laws. it's fine for you not to want to get gay married, but you can't take away American citizen's rights because of your own beliefs. i don't think that's crazy, is it?

You could wish death on republicans and liberal GAF still wouldn't call you out for such a ridiculous stance.

well that's a bit much

 

[ggnoobIGN]

I've never seen this sort of stance before. What do liberalGAF say for you to say something like that? Genuinely curious.

You could wish death on republicans and liberal GAF still wouldn't call you out for such a ridiculous stance.

 

[Penguins&PolarBears]

well if you think your views would get you banned, don't you think that they might be worth rethinking?

it seems that you don't hate minorities or women or homosexuals - so what defines you as a social conservative?

also, i don't know about your "donate more money to charity" claim and random anecdote about 1 college douchebag. neither seem relevant here.

No, my viewpoints on most major facets of life are not shaped or dictated to me by the off-topic forum of a video game website.

No disrespect, there are a lot of very smart people here, but I have much bigger influences in my life than this forum. My perception on this forum is that it is dominated by specific demographics and that these viewpoints are typical of their demographic. Just as an obvious example, 65+ seniors are not drawn towards posting on a video game forum like this. NeoGAF doesn't even come close to representing the majority of opinions in America so why should I allow it to dictate/overly influence my views? This is just one small voice of opinions that I see out of many.

If you think that the definition of being a social conservative is hating minorities, women, and homosexuals then we have too much work to do here. If that is your definition of what a social conservative is, then no I am not that. I don't fit your narrow definition at all.

My point is simply broad brushing all people of any political persuasion is not right. With your definition it is understandable why you would not tolerate the existence of social conservatives, but I think your definition is faulty.

 

[MidnightRider]

#3
So then exactly how is Obama weak in military? And why exactly should we be "stronger," and in what way?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=obama+weakening+the+military

You can read for days. It's no lie that he has been after the military since day 1.

Now with Russia saying they are not going to renew our treaty with them.... I'd say now is as good of time as any to be strengthening the military.

 

[jon bones]

With your definition it is understandable why you would not tolerate the existence of social conservatives, but I think your definition is faulty.

so tell me your own definition, i don't mean to mislabel you - it's just my own experiences which have shaped my definition of "social conservative" but they're clearly not yours.

I don't have much respect for or common ground with social conservatives, but I find it hilarious I was labeled as one just a few posts ago. Speaks volumes about this forum.

we don't take kindly to people who shit on women or gays?

 

[sp3000]

I don't have much respect for or common ground with social conservatives, but I find it hilarious I was labeled as one just a few posts ago. Speaks volumes about this forum.

 

[RDreamer]

I don't have much respect for or common ground with social conservatives, but I find it hilarious I was labeled as one just a few posts ago. Speaks volumes about this forum.

Look, the mods don't look to dick around legitimate political points. There isn't some anti-conservative vendetta. That person was just pointing out that if your fear is the mods, then you must know your views are bigoted. If your views aren't bigoted, then you shouldn't have anything to worry about.

 

[Blades64]

it's true - even i say ridiculous things sometimes.

i think it's for the best, though. 50 years ago "social conservatives" wouldn't have let me marry my own girlfriend because i'm not white. i'm grateful that the discussion on the table now is about groups of which i'm not a member (gays, lesbians, women) but i can't stand idly by and let a bunch of angry old white dudes take away their rights. i consider myself a patriot and this is flat out UnAmerican .

well good for you, not many men and women these days have such strong convictions. but you should realize that His Word should not affect Our Laws. it's fine for you not to want to get gay married, but you can't take away American citizen's rights because of your own beliefs. i don't think that's crazy, is it?

I'm a Chtistian. I have my strong convictions as well. But I won't tell people how to live their lives. I believe that's to each their own convictions. So long as people don't tell me what I should believe or live my life either, then we're good.

 

[Measley]

Empty Vessel will make Financial Conservative gaf cry.

You've been warned.

 

[Edag Plata]

Yeah, this isn't really much of a conservative friendly board. Sorry!! It's just the reality of the place. So we conservatives keep our heads low because its just full speed ahead in the political threads.

This isn't a knock against the board, it's just the way it is. How many threads do you see about things that are against liberals or talking positive about conservatism or anyone in the GOP? Meanwhile every day you'll find something knocking Republicans or free market capitalism as front page threads and opinions being thrown in in the story or things being taken out of context and its never challenged ever.

I also notice that the main basis for criticism against conservatives is the social part. This is to suggest that all hyper religious fundamentalists are Republicans and all Republicans are hyper religious fundamentalists. This is not the case AT ALL. Or, if someone is very religious they express their opinions but they mostly keep it to themselves in government.

 

[Zaphod]

The persecution complex is pretty ridiculous. If someone can state their position in a calm rational way I don't think they will get banned. Parroting talking points over and over again without actually engaging in discussion might be a problem.

 

[MidnightRider]

Look, the mods don't look to dick around legitimate political points. There isn't some anti-conservative vendetta. That person was just pointing out that if your fear is the mods, then you must know your views are bigoted. If your views aren't bigoted, then you shouldn't have anything to worry about.

EDIT* Nevermind.

but i was banned in the DNC and i was not being a bigot.

 

[Measley]

Yeah, this isn't really much of a conservative friendly board. Sorry!! It's just the reality of the place. So we conservatives keep our heads low because its just full speed ahead in the political threads.

This isn't a knock against the board, it's just the way it is. How many threads do you see about things that are against liberals or talking positive about conservatism or anyone in the GOP? Meanwhile every day you'll find something knocking Republicans or free market capitalism as front page threads and opinions being thrown in in the story or things being taken out of context and its never challenged ever.

Just to be clear; We only knock Republicans because people in your party are batshit insane.

 

[MidnightRider]

Just to be clear; We only knock Republicans because people in your party are batshit insane.

Personal attacks. I was banned for this.

MODS HURRY! WE GOT ONE!


EDIT* I'm joking about getting you banned.

Liberalism is a mental disorder.

 

[Measley]

Personal attacks. I was banned for this.

MODS HURRY! WE GOT ONE!


EDIT* I'm joking.

Hey, if you need examples, I got plenty. ;-)

 

[Seraphis Cain]

Personal attacks. I was banned for this.

MODS HURRY! WE GOT ONE!


EDIT* I'm joking.

Liberalism is a mental disorder.

You're pretty quick with the edits. Not quick enough though.

EDIT: Haha, way to edit that last line back in after being called out on it. :lol

 

[War Peaceman]

The persecution complex is pretty ridiculous. If someone can state their position in a calm rational way I don't think they will get banned. Parroting talking points over and over again without actually engaging in discussion might be a problem.

Agreed. I can understand people not wanting to get into arguments, that is fine. I can't blame people for not wanting to discuss things. But to complain about persecution is ridiculous. Midnight rider is pretty aggressive, but most people in here who have expressed fears did so in a rational and sensible manner. If they continued to do that they would almost certainly be fine.

It is a fallacy to suggest that 'liberals' get away with it. For a start, much of poligaf is at best centrist. Not empty vessel though, praise him. Obama is frequently criticised, yes less than Romney but perhaps that is because there is so much more to criticise - he changes view so often it is unsurprising that he draws so much ire.

EDIT: For what it is worth, I love hearing people explaining their beliefs coherently, particularly opinions that I do not share. jayhawker's post near the top of the page is a good example of this. Interesting yet different to my own.

 

[MidnightRider]

Hey, if you need examples, I got plenty. ;-)

insane like these people?

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/p...ls_girl_at_center_of_t-shirt_controversy.html

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...n-aborted-because-of-romney-sign-in-his-yard/

 

[RDreamer]

EDIT* Nevermind.

but i was banned in the DNC and i was not being a bigot.

Trolling can get you banned, too.

 

[Deified Data]

Let's unite!

If serious? we do exist. usually as jesters to amuse the others but it's all worth it on days like Romneys - Obama's first debate.

This. They come out of the wood work when they having something to gloat about (i.e. the debates), but most seem content to keep their affiliation secret. Given how they're ganged up on when they do decide to speak up, I don't entirely blame them.

 

[Edag Plata]

Just to be clear; We only knock Republicans because people in your party are batshit insane.

Like this stuff.

 

[jon bones]

Meanwhile every day you'll find something knocking Republicans or free market capitalism

as a 5 year veteran of wall street, i can tell you that what the current GOP wants is NOT free market capitalism. don't perpetuate this liberal = socialist, republican = capitalist nonsense.

I'm a Chtistian. I have my strong convictions as well. But I won't tell people how to live their lives. I believe that's to each their own convictions. So long as people don't tell me what I should believe or live my life either, then we're good.

well that sounds perfectly reasonable. you do realize that by this definition, gay marriage should be legal for those who want to do that right? you live your life, they live theirs.

 

[Measley]

insane like these people?

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/p...ls_girl_at_center_of_t-shirt_controversy.html

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...n-aborted-because-of-romney-sign-in-his-yard/

No. I'm talking about elected officials who say that Slavery wasn't a big deal (or the best thing to happen to black people!), or that we should give kids the death penalty for being bad.

Or like Paul Ryan actually believing that a Medicare voucher program is a good idea for seniors....

 

[Kusagari]

Like this stuff.

Are you saying that people like Todd Akin aren't batshit insane?

 

[War Peaceman]

No. I'm talking about elected officials who say that Slavery wasn't a big deal, or that we should give kids the death penalty for being bad.

Or like Paul Ryan actually believing that a Medicare voucher program is a good idea for seniors....

A better example might be the recent house science committee controversy: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...es-straight-from-the-pit-of-hell-8200885.html

 

[ggnoobIGN]

Empty Vessel will make Financial Conservative gaf cry.

You've been warned.

Empty vessel is also insane.

 

[Trent Strong]

I've never seen this sort of stance before. What do liberalGAF say for you to say something like that? Genuinely curious.

I'd link to some threads, but I can't remember the thread titles. It's usually stuff like wildly inaccurate thread titles about something some conservative has done. Or just extreme overreaction and hyperbole to something relatively mild that something some conservative did.

Empty Vessel will make Financial Conservative gaf cry.

You've been warned.

Empty Vessel thinks that supporting the death penalty for children who are rebellious is a mainstream conservative view. Why would I trust anything he says?

 

[Measley]

A better example might be the recent house science committee controversy: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...es-straight-from-the-pit-of-hell-8200885.html

Yeah, that too.

Again, these are people that conservative voters ELECTED INTO OFFICE.

Not some dumb Bus Driver or teacher, but legislators and congressmen who can actually make laws, and influence the lives of thousands if not millions of people.

 

[MidnightRider]

I'll step out and let the more intelligent ConservGAF step in.

Y'all have a good rest of your night if i don't see you in the debate thread.

 

[Schattenjäger]

Empty Vessel will make Financial Conservative gaf cry.

You've been warned.

Cry? Like when he will cry when Hugo Chavez dies

 

[heliosRAzi]

Yeah, that too.

Again, these are people that conservative voters ELECTED INTO OFFICE.

Not some dumb Bus Driver or teacher, but legislators and congressmen who can actually make laws, and influence the lives of thousands if not millions of people.

I think this is why a lot of people equate Republicans/Conservatives with all of the bad stereotypes: they are electing people who don't get science, who think slavery wasn't bad, etc to be their representatives. Or they have delegates who throw peanuts at black people and call them animals.

 

[Trent Strong]

The persecution complex is pretty ridiculous. If someone can state their position in a calm rational way I don't think they will get banned. Parroting talking points over and over again without actually engaging in discussion might be a problem.

Some Republican politician will say "I want to lower taxes" in a speech, and then someone on GAF will create a thread about that speech titled: "Republican wants to eat babies!" and they will never get banned.

 

[Kinitari]

What a funny comment.

Im not picking on you at all, but there is a certain comedy to it.

*shrug* It's pretty true though. I only have to look back and realize how much I just spewed things I thought/felt/heard without giving it too much consideration. When challenged, I had to really dig deep down and reconsider my position.

It's SO damn hard telling yourself "maybe you're wrong about this" - but it gets easier, and it's so fucking rewarding.

 

[Measley]

I think this is why a lot of people equate Republicans/Conservatives with all of the bad stereotypes: they are electing people who don't get science, who think slavery wasn't bad, etc to be their representatives. Or they have delegates who throw peanuts at black people and call them animals.

Or they believe that someone who was raped wasn't really raped if their rapist gets them pregnant.

And btw, before someone says that isn't a mainstream Republican idea, the Vice presidential candidate supported the concept.

 

[TommyT]

Can we welcome some of you folks to poligaf? All our moderate-conservative posters have been perma banned (for good reasons)/left. It's an echo chamber right now.

I've seriously thought about it multiple times. However I just imagine it's like most of the other threads where most attempts at a discussion or the slightest difference in opinion is immediately ostracized and taken to an extreme before any genuine discussion can be had.

 

[Roger Danish]

The persecution complex is pretty ridiculous. If someone can state their position in a calm rational way I don't think they will get banned. Parroting talking points over and over again without actually engaging in discussion might be a problem.

The real problem is that the persecution complex/paranoia was recently validated by the boss man (at least in certain people's eyes).