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Consoles are just like PCs now, why bother with consoles then?
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godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
I see he has Warkhawk, and that isn't on the 360.Stallion Free said:
animlboogy said:
OP was twisted when he made it, he knew what this thread was going to turn into.
I'm well aware of steam sales but my point was that console games drop in price as well and a lot of times faster but not always lower then steam because their retail and once stock is gone its gone. Don't get me wrong steam sales are fantastic during winter holiday and summer (Think this is the other major sale they did last year). But at the end of the day you can find very good retail price sales as well. You can take it a step farther too, if you were one of those Day 1 buyer types, then you really aren't saving much considering you can't trade in your games on steam. Retail you can but Ive always lived under the code that once I buy a PC games its mine.
iam220 said:
Talking about today and now, why would we be talking about the past? No I have a 20 gig 360 Jasper.
I just want to put in a disc and play a game. I do not want to fuck around with drivers , patches and system patches before I could do anything.
Plus I have no friends on the PC, I have more friends on the 360 sadly.
Ok fair enough Steam is the one of the few redeeming qualities on a PC it even patched my GFX drivers which is awesome!
Plus I have no friends on the PC, I have more friends on the 360 sadly.
Ok fair enough Steam is the one of the few redeeming qualities on a PC it even patched my GFX drivers which is awesome!
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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vocab said:
Ok? That's not the card he was talking about though...
snoopeasystreet
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PC vs Console threads almost always end up being "price vs. graphics".
The main reason I play PC games is because of the range of games that are on the system. The consoles are the best for polished exclusive titles and with download services like Xbox Live Arcade and Playstation Network, they are getting better at more experimental content. There's this whole area in between AAA blockbuster and 15 euro download that only really exists on the PC. They mostly come from eastern european developers but they're fascinating experiences that probably wouldn't be made because of the high cost of developing for consoles. These "B level games" are usually more ambitious in their game design than their console counterparts and are more interesting to me (someone who prefers emergent gameplay elements to scripted).
I also like how varied these experiences can be, I can go from playing a simple game like QWOP to Stalker Call of Pripyat to a game to something like Love or Minecraft. There's just more ambitious and different content for me to choose from. That said, I don't think I could live without the highly polished games like Halo: Reach, Uncharted 2 or Super Mario Galaxy.
The main reason I play PC games is because of the range of games that are on the system. The consoles are the best for polished exclusive titles and with download services like Xbox Live Arcade and Playstation Network, they are getting better at more experimental content. There's this whole area in between AAA blockbuster and 15 euro download that only really exists on the PC. They mostly come from eastern european developers but they're fascinating experiences that probably wouldn't be made because of the high cost of developing for consoles. These "B level games" are usually more ambitious in their game design than their console counterparts and are more interesting to me (someone who prefers emergent gameplay elements to scripted).
I also like how varied these experiences can be, I can go from playing a simple game like QWOP to Stalker Call of Pripyat to a game to something like Love or Minecraft. There's just more ambitious and different content for me to choose from. That said, I don't think I could live without the highly polished games like Halo: Reach, Uncharted 2 or Super Mario Galaxy.
Most of the arguments I've seen here trying to explain how cheap PC gaming can be on the hardware end are already defeated by the simplicity and usability argument. You might be able to buy a great PC for $500, but you can never get around the fact that just buying and plugging up a $300 box will always be easier.
On the other end of the spectrum, in regards to actually running PC games, I'll say that my 8800GT has been able to run almost every game at high settings for the last three years. I'm only just now going to upgrade my GPU, and even then only maybe two PC games this year will really benefit from that. Of course, that's probably because the 360 has become the baseline for PC ports these days.
On the other end of the spectrum, in regards to actually running PC games, I'll say that my 8800GT has been able to run almost every game at high settings for the last three years. I'm only just now going to upgrade my GPU, and even then only maybe two PC games this year will really benefit from that. Of course, that's probably because the 360 has become the baseline for PC ports these days.
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
All my currently gaming friends play on PC. All of my friends who played consoles games burned out by the end of end of high school. It's nice not having to pay 60$ a year for Xbox Live.
snoopeasystreet said:
See, that "B-level" area used to exist on consoles up until the current generation, and it's one of the things I miss about current gen console gaming in fact. To a certain extent it still does exist on the Wii where there are plenty of unique $30 - $40 games if you look for them.
One thing the next console gen definitely needs is variable pricing, both in the retail and digital space.
JudgeN said:
Well because most console gamers tend to buy their systems at or near launch? I mean when talking about the affordability of a console no one says "if I wait 4 years after a console gets released I can get it for cheap". Also , and correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the consensus here that its much better to pay the extra $100 and get the non-arcade version?
bigswords said:
Ah, I see the problem. There's no need to put in a disk into a pc so you miss out on that whole experience.
EviLore said:
Pretty much the same thing happened to me, except my 60GB was a year after launch so it was a bit cheaper and *knock on wood* my slim seems to be working ok.
water_wendi
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Usually bigger numbers = better. If you have questions about it then you could always ask the sales clerk. im sure people ask the clerks about console stuff all the time (esp cables). The thing about learning this stuff is a) its not difficult.. a Frys/Best Buy clerk could basically tell you that bigger numbers equals faster and how multi-core stuff factors in like i did in that post i made earlier and b) once you learn it you dont need to learn it again just like with console cabling. You could just use the rca cables out of the box but if you want the ideal setup you need to ask for help or do some research yourself.jamesinclair said:
- Same performance on all machines
- Comfy couch
- I prefer controller to M&K
- Don't have to upgrade hardware with every second game release
- For someone no au fait with PC hardware (like me), hardware problems are easier to resolve, depending on how you got your PC (store/put together).
- Bigger selection of games
That's all I can think of right now.
- Comfy couch
- I prefer controller to M&K
- Don't have to upgrade hardware with every second game release
- For someone no au fait with PC hardware (like me), hardware problems are easier to resolve, depending on how you got your PC (store/put together).
- Bigger selection of games
That's all I can think of right now.
valkillmore
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What's going on here? This generation has seen a surge of games that allow for user created content and tweeking. Halo: Reach and Little Big Planet to name two just off the top of my head.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
Is it a sin to enjoy both? I own a 360 + Kinect and a PC (GTX580, 6GBDDR3, Core i7 @ 3.8GHz), and here is the list of games I enjoyed last year:
Halo Reach (360)
Bayonetta (360)
Crackdown 2 (360)
Alan Wake (360)
Castlevania HoD (360)
Fable 3 (360)
Kinect Sports (360)
Dance Central (360)
Red Dead Redemption (360)
Battlefield BC 2 (PC)
SC 2 (PC)
CoD: BO (PC)
Mass Effect 2 (PC)
DoW II: CR (PC)
Just Cause 2 (PC)
Blur (PC)
These are just the games that come to mind. IMHO there is a strong argument for me to keep enjoying both of these platforms. I can understand if you don't like Console or PC exclusives, but saying that there is no reason to own a platform is a completely idiotic statement.
Halo Reach (360)
Bayonetta (360)
Crackdown 2 (360)
Alan Wake (360)
Castlevania HoD (360)
Fable 3 (360)
Kinect Sports (360)
Dance Central (360)
Red Dead Redemption (360)
Battlefield BC 2 (PC)
SC 2 (PC)
CoD: BO (PC)
Mass Effect 2 (PC)
DoW II: CR (PC)
Just Cause 2 (PC)
Blur (PC)
These are just the games that come to mind. IMHO there is a strong argument for me to keep enjoying both of these platforms. I can understand if you don't like Console or PC exclusives, but saying that there is no reason to own a platform is a completely idiotic statement.
Rhazer Fusion
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Kabouter said:
Compatibility issues: Needing a particular operating system(Windows 7, Vista, etc), not enough RAM, outdated graphics/video card, sound card, driver issues, etc. Maybe I didn't word it correctly and I will admit, I haven't played a computer game in a little while, so I am sure some things probably changed.
More unique means more variety in genres. I feel that consoles have more variety in games. For example, fighting games are much more common on consoles and I think there are more different styles of RPG's including JRPG's. It could also be that I am not looking hard enough as well. Also, the PSN and XBox Live Arcade offerings are very unique imo. Then again, console style games do cater to my preferences more, so this is purely subjective.
It always seems like to get the absolute best performance out of the latest PC games requires upgrading/purchasing your video card every now and then. Guess, I was disappointed when my older, fairly expensive computer would barely play Doom 3 or could not play Crysis at all.
vocab said:
Kinda regretted that one as soon as I typed it, but I think I was in all consoles mode. Between my PSP, DS, Wii, 360 and PS3, I would have though there was more selection than on PC.
D3RANG3D said:
Well I was giving the reasons why I prefer consoles. Obviously that won't apply to everyone.
In the end, I find it much easier and more enjoyable to game on a console. Last PC game I played was Counter Strike, and that was many moons ago.
Played on PC a lot pre-Dreamcast/N64. But since those 2 consoles released, my PC gaming dwindled down to nothing after Counter Strike was done.
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Why For? said:
Attack You
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That is patently false. Consoles sell more as their price drops and their libraries grow. (The DS is an exception, I guess.)iam220 said:
animlboogy said:
Can I throw cost in then?
A decent gaming PC here in AU is a fair bit more expensive than a console. Is that an ok reason for me to prefer a gaming console over a PC?
I mean, hell, I don't even understand why it's so hard for PC gamers to accept that someone would prefer a console over a PC.
Some of us DON'T CARE that the framerate dips a bit while there's 87 explosions going on during a shooter. I haven't played a single game this gen that slowed down to genuinely unplayable levels. I honestly couldn't give a fuck.
Ditto for screen tear and any other anal OCD shit PC gamers worry about. I have a game, I pop it in the console knowing it will work at the level it was designed to and I play it. I don't even HAVE to install it either (except sometimes on PS3), even though I choose to (again, I'm sure probab;y countered by DD on PC).
Fact is, for me, console gaming has been far cheaper and more convenient for the better part of 10 years. Can't think of a better reason than that.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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vocab said:
I know, that's why I'm confused.
Why For? said:
-Have you seen Bayonneta on the PS3?
-Modern Video cards have HDMI outputs, which can be plugged into a TV.
-You can plug a controller into you PC and use it. Most, games support the 360 controller outside the box.
-You don't have to at all. This is a very common misconception.
-No comment
-HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Salacious Crumb
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animlboogy said:
It's actually not to bad at all, you can build a very capable PC here for around $700-$800. For comparison a 320GB PS3 costs $600
a quick and dirty unoptimized build just so you can get a feel for the prices:
Rhazer Fusion
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iam220 said:
I think what he is trying to say is, at least all PS3's can run it. It would be like only the PS3 Phats can run Bayonetta and the PS3 Slims can barely run it or can't run it at all.
Rhazer Fusion said:
I hope that others would acknowledge this value. I have: it's called ease of use.
Ease of use is the real strength underlying Why For's suggestion. What he actually highlighted -- that it runs the same on all platforms -- is a mixture of good and bad. Good, because it means your PS3 will run it. Bad, because it means it will not necessarily run it especially well and will never run it any better than it does now no matter what you do.
So that's really a mixed bag. For simplicity, let's extract only the good part and focus on that: if a game says "PS3" on its cover, the game will technically function on all PS3 consoles. Why is that good? Because it's simple to understand. Again: Simplicity and ease of use.
These always end badly.omg.kittens said:
For me, I like console gaming because I'm lazy and I don't want to use my PC for anything else than surfing the internet. I get pretty much all my PC needs from a netbook...except for downloading music from CDs.
With a console, I know during the life of the unit, any game I buy is going to work by simply putting it in (barring defects of course). Any patches or updates are fairly minimal, apply themselves- I don't have to make sure they're in the right folder or fiddle with it in any way. It merely takes patience. I don't care much about tweaking settings or performance, if I did I probably would be a PC gamer. I have zero interest in being one. If thats considered accepting mediocrity by PC elitists or whoever, I don't really care. I play games for myself.
That's why I never got around buying a 360 or PS3 this gen. For me getting games from Steam and running them is far too convenient. Buying and installing games from Steam is as easy as getting XBLA games. It does the entire setup for you, even updating DirectX if needed. Plus Windows 7 offers updates for both NVidia and AMD drivers, which is almost the same as updating the PS3 firmware.
I'm also running the same GPU since 2008: an HD 4850, which hasn't failed me yet in running anything not called Crysis at playable framerates (30+ for the more complex stuff, 60fps for several games) and 900p.
I'm also running the same GPU since 2008: an HD 4850, which hasn't failed me yet in running anything not called Crysis at playable framerates (30+ for the more complex stuff, 60fps for several games) and 900p.
Salacious Crumb
Junior Member
truly101 said:
I have no issue with you not wanting to play PC games, what I dislike is the misinformation surrounding PC gaming perpetuated by console gamers that have never played a PC game in their life.
PC gamers almost always have played or own(ed) the consoles they criticize, in the vast majority of cases the reverse is obviously true of console gamers.
Salacious Crumb said:
I wouldn't know, but there is a decent bit of ignorance on the console side and arrogance on the PC side. People get mad and territorial about stupid shit that I just can't be bothered with. No reason enjoying one platform has to be a detriment or sleight to the other.
Gully State
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truly101 said:
The same applies for PC hardware these days as well.