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Oh APF you are such a troll. Agnostic as in I do not know what happened and have not made up my mind either way. Both sides are retarded. World is grey not B&W.
 
Here's a question:

If the Illuminati is really as strong and almighty as conspiracy theorists believe, why would they ever go all the way to the obvious police state when they already apparently control every country and political system in the world?

They already have god-like powers, so why wouldn't they just stay in the shadows, orchestrating events as they please and living in total luxury?
 
While the world may be grey (whatever that means), it does not therefore follow that every and any bizarre assertion is possible. Stop hiding behind your alleged "agnosticism" and admit that you're just as delusional as the other conspiracy theorists. Although do it in the thread dedicated to that emotional malady.
 
While some say we landed on the moon, we also may not have landed on the moon. The world isn't black or white, it's grey. Ergo, I believe neither is true.
 
While some say one plus another of the same equals two, the world is grey and not black and white. Therefore it may also be three; who knows, who can say?
 
Nope. Just because I don't believe either side does not make me delusional. It does however make me a sheep according to truthers and delusional according to the official story camp.

Oh here we go with this absolute shit.

We did land on the fucking moon, and 2 + 2 = 4. Those are supported by facts and not theories and explanations that ignore the laws of science. Which BOTH fucking sides do.

What's next fucking Occam Razor?
 
I will say that I think it's funny when people argue it's more plausible that some ancient Arab dudes invented math when modern-educated University Professors are sponsored by... THE GOVERNMENT. OF AMERICA. Which has FAR more power than some crusty old mummy!
 
APF said:
While the world may be grey (whatever that means), it does not therefore follow that every and any bizarre assertion is possible. Stop hiding behind your alleged "agnosticism" and admit that you're just as delusional as the other conspiracy theorists. Although do it in the thread dedicated to that emotional malady.
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I'm with you, man. But of course I blame George Bush for perpetuating this atmosphere that allows you to question things like evolution and age of the universe. Nowadays people are so phobic of science that anything is true and nothing is wrong. WMD's still exist and erosion is just a conspiracy from atheist. Can't we got back to the way where proof and evidence meant something?
 
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I'm with you, man. But of course I blame George Bush for perpetuating this atmosphere that allows you to question things like evolution and age of the universe. Nowadays people are so phobic of science that anything is true and nothing is wrong. WMD's still exist and erosion is just a conspiracy from atheist. Can't we got back to the way where proof and evidence meant something?
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Thing is I'm a big fan of science and I believe in evolution, carbon dating, global warming (although I think the naming of the theory needs to be redone), and other such theories that took time and were scrutinized. When it comes to the official explanation though it was full of holes in the scientific method department.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0GHVEKrhng
 
9/11 was an inside job. The official story is full of holes - I don't know how anyone doing their own research for and against the official explanation could come away with anything but questions.

Extra Terrestrials have almost certainly visited Earth. Deal with it.

Some aspects of the New World Order theory. While I think it's plausible that some of the most powerful people on the planet would love to lump the world governments together, I have serious doubts about some of the more radical things...namely killing off 80 of the population in attempt to make a new Utopian society.
 
JasonMCG said:
9/11 was an inside job. The official story is full of holes - I don't know how anyone doing their own research for and against the official explanation could come away with anything but questions.

Extra Terrestrials have almost certainly visited Earth. Deal with it.

Some aspects of the New World Order theory. While I think it's plausible that some of the most powerful people on the planet would love to lump the world governments together, I have serious doubts about the part about some of the more radical things...namely killing off 80 of the population in attempt to make a new Utopian society.
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I think the problem with your 9-11 statement is that there is a GIGANTIC leap of faith from "holes in the original story" to "The Government did it!".
 
:lol

No aliens have been here, there isn't even a hint of a slight possible proof. All footage is blurry crap, and since we have had HD cameras actual sightings have been going down considerably, while at the same time seeing a rise in computer-generated fake footage.

Basically we are going through the same phase as before, like when the sea was still mysterious and all sorts of myths were written about sea creatures and what not. Now that we've explored sea back and forth, and the whole Earth, people write stories about aliens and UFOs, then it was NASA UFO footage, and now that we are accustomed to the sight of space debris and all that it's going to be something else.

There is NOTHING that indicates aliens might have come or might be here. Not even a little slightly possibly hint of a proof.
 
Tamanon said:
I think the problem with your 9-11 statement is that there is a GIGANTIC leap of faith from "holes in the original story" to "The Government did it!".
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Point. This is the difference between an academic discussion that is of definite use to structural engineers and others charged with protecting the safety of people in large buildings in times of disaster, and a bunch of loonies throwing their intellectual feces at the wall waiting for it to stick.
 
Tamanon said:
I think the problem with your 9-11 statement is that there is a GIGANTIC leap of faith from "holes in the original story" to "The Government did it!".
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It's not like I had a few questions and just assumed it was government participation. I have serious problems with parts of the official story so for me, it's not a leap of faith.
 
*That 9/11 was not what it was made out to be, by the mainstream media and our government. Notice I didn't merely say "9/11 was an inside job". I'm not sure exactly what it was, but I'm 100% convinced what we were told was a pack of outrageous lies. The conspiracy theory is the accepted idea that two airliners brought down two (three actually) reinforced steel skyscrapers.

*That the current economic crisis was engineered and in the planning for a long, long time, to destroy the real economy and the middle class, because the American middle class is the last obstacle standing in the way of the elites total domination of the U.S. and the world.

*many aspects (not all) of the New World Order & Illuminati conspiracy. The guy I listen to with great interest on the subject is, not Alex Jones, but Dr. Stan Monteith of radioliberty.com

*That our current government is not legitimate and that it's unconstitutional, which will not change once Obama takes office because, sadly, he will just be under it even assuming he is a good person.
 
camineet said:
*That 9/11 was not what it was made out to be, by the mainstream media and our government. Notice I didn't merely say "9/11 was an inside job". I'm not sure exactly what it was, but I'm 100% convinced what we were told was a pack of outrageous lies. The conspiracy theory is the accepted idea that two airliners brought down two (three actually) reinforced steel skyscrapers.
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I'm wondering why this is so hard to believe? I mean, it's not like those thing are protected from falling by every conceivable method. This is the part I get hung up on, because I don't understand why people can't believe (or refuse to) that an airliner could take down a building.

*That the current economic crisis was engineered and in the planning for a long, long time, to destroy the real economy and the middle class, because the American middle class is the last obstacle standing in the way of the elites total domination of the U.S. and the world.
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If I believed that they could manage to DO That... but the thing to remember is that the middle class is the development of a stable society, to NOT have a middle class would create a place where a revolution would basically be inevitable. And when the people on top LOSE a revolution, they usually lose their heads along with it.
*many aspects (not all) of the New World Order & Illuminati conspiracy. The guy I listen to with great interest on the subject is, not Alex Jones, but Dr. Stan Monteith of radioliberty.com
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I'm not familiar with those theories and all. But still, the idea that a group of people are planning to make the world a better place through various, possibly inhumane methods? Eh.... I could get behind that if they did it correctly.

*That our current government is not legitimate and that it's unconstitutional, which will not change once Obama takes office because, sadly, he will just be under it even assuming he is a good person.
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..w..ha?

Edit: 9/9/09... I'll be behind that!
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Tupac is still alive ya'll!

I still have met people to this day that believe he's around somewhere, living it up and recording songs when he feels like it. Now I do believe in the conspiracy regarding his death regarding Knight, though.
 
camineet said:
*That 9/11 was not what it was made out to be, by the mainstream media and our government. Notice I didn't merely say "9/11 was an inside job". I'm not sure exactly what it was, but I'm 100% convinced what we were told was a pack of outrageous lies. The conspiracy theory is the accepted idea that two airliners brought down two (three actually) reinforced steel skyscrapers.

*That the current economic crisis was engineered and in the planning for a long, long time, to destroy the real economy and the middle class, because the American middle class is the last obstacle standing in the way of the elites total domination of the U.S. and the world.

*many aspects (not all) of the New World Order & Illuminati conspiracy. The guy I listen to with great interest on the subject is, not Alex Jones, but Dr. Stan Monteith of radioliberty.com

*That our current government is not legitimate and that it's unconstitutional, which will not change once Obama takes office because, sadly, he will just be under it even assuming he is a good person.
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Wow..... just wow. I sincerly underestimated the amount of lunatics out there.
 
I realized yesterday that if some government lab somewhere invented a time machine that we'd never know about it.

I mean who in their right mind would ever let them use it? What country could ever let them keep it? It's just too dangerous.



So, what I'm saying, y'all is that Sp0rsk is the kwitsatch haderach.

Real talk.
 
NintendoTogepi said:
Here's a question:

If the Illuminati is really as strong and almighty as conspiracy theorists believe, why would they ever go all the way to the obvious police state when they already apparently control every country and political system in the world?

They already have god-like powers, so why wouldn't they just stay in the shadows, orchestrating events as they please and living in total luxury?
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Because they can still lose that power if the people realise they're getting fucked everyday and fight back.

The police state makes it harder for the people to fight back (once you're in prison, how do you get out), if they realise what is really going on.
And it will be harder to realise what is going on since information will be even more manipulated than it is now, most of Nazi Germany didn't know what happened in the concentration camps.

Also we're already in the police state, it'll get more obvious when they take more freedoms away, because of terrorism or whatever threat they come up with next.
 
YoungHav said:
Branches of the US government all had a part in killing MLK,
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It's odd, my teacher in HS actually taught us about his assassination as thought it was a cover up. He went through all of the details, the little things that didn't seem right, and made note of the fact that MLK's family doesn't believe James Earl Ray did it alone. From then on, I sort of thought that it was less of a conspiracy, and more along the lines of something that everyone knows but nobody will speak of.

It took me a few years before I reintroduced myself to the case, and formed a better opinion about it.

I'd say that it's one of the few conspiracies that I might believe in.
 
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segarr said:
It's odd, my teacher in HS actually taught us about his assassination as thought it was a cover up. He went through all of the details, the little things that didn't seem right, and made note of the fact that MLK's family doesn't believe James Earl Ray did it alone. From then on, I sort of thought that it was less of a conspiracy, and more along the lines of something that everyone knows but nobody will speak of.

It took me a few years before I reintroduced myself to the case, and formed a better opinion about it.

I'd say that it's one of the few conspiracies that I might believe in.
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His thoughts aren't wrong. Aspects of the government were pretty cheeky with MLK, once he started about our government actions that go against religion he lost a lot pretty quick and some say he was assassinated for that reason alone.
 
I believe people from different religions will get into heaven/paradise etc.

God should realize it's not YOUR fault for choosing the wrong religion, how are you supposed to know which God is the right one? So I think the best people from most religions will get into heaven. Cult people won't get in.
 
Wii said:
Because they can still lose that power if the people realise they're getting fucked everyday and fight back.

The police state makes it harder for the people to fight back (once you're in prison, how do you get out), if they realise what is really going on.
And it will be harder to realise what is going on since information will be even more manipulated than it is now, most of Nazi Germany didn't know what happened in the concentration camps.

Also we're already in the police state, it'll get more obvious when they take more freedoms away, because of terrorism or whatever threat they come up with next.
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If you believe that the police state is the ultimate form of control you are only a II level Conspiracy Knower. Sigh, explaining how the system really works wouldn't be worth my time.
 
camineet said:
*That 9/11 was not what it was made out to be, by the mainstream media and our government. Notice I didn't merely say "9/11 was an inside job". I'm not sure exactly what it was, but I'm 100% convinced what we were told was a pack of outrageous lies. The conspiracy theory is the accepted idea that two airliners brought down two (three actually) reinforced steel skyscrapers.
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I'm baffled about the airplane disbelief.

Okay, let's say the government did do it (which is a HUUUUGE stretch). They still used planes if you ask me.

Why is it so incredibly unbelievable that two airplanes, full of jet fuel and travelling at 500MPH, would bring down a skyscraper?

It seems to me as if the conspiracy theories are a coping mechanism of the brain, people unwilling to believe that a couple of hundred of people can plan & carry-out an event that would kill 3000 people, cost tens of billions of dollars, and disrupt life as we know for months, years, and possibly even decades.

It's far more reassuring to believe that something like that would have to be a massive cover-up, involving thousands of people in high ranking government positions.

TL;dr: conspiracy theorists can't cope with the sadness and randomness of life
 
NintendoTogepi said:
I'm baffled about the airplane disbelief.

Okay, let's say the government did do it (which is a HUUUUGE stretch). They still used planes if you ask me.

Why is it so incredibly unbelievable that two airplanes, full of jet fuel and travelling at 500MPH, would bring down a skyscraper?

It seems to me as if the conspiracy theories are a coping mechanism of the brain, people unwilling to believe that a couple of hundred of people can plan & carry-out an event that would kill 3000 people, cost tens of billions of dollars, and disrupt life as we know for months, years, and possibly even decades.

It's far more reassuring to believe that something like that would have to be a massive cover-up, involving thousands of people in high ranking government positions.

TL;dr: conspiracy theorists can't cope with the sadness and randomness of life
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Before 9/11 there had never before been a building brought down by airplanes crashing into it. Fact!
 
mac said:
Before 9/11 there had never before been a building brought down by airplanes crashing into it. Fact!
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While that may be true, no building before has had 2 jumbo sized jets crashing into them with full tanks and at full speed.

Hell, planes of that size didn't even EXIST when the plans were drawn for the WTC.

LCGeek said:
His thoughts aren't wrong. Aspects of the government were pretty cheeky with MLK, once he started about our government actions that go against religion he lost a lot pretty quick and some say he was assassinated for that reason alone.
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OR.... t could have been one lone racist nut who wasn't too keen with MLK's ideas.

Which is more likely?
Do you believe EVERY insane theory?

Wii said:
Also we're already in the police state, it'll get more obvious when they take more freedoms away, because of terrorism or whatever threat they come up with next.
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If you think we're "in a police state now" then you need to go back and research what that is a little better. As far as I know, you don't have guys in fatigues busting down your doors for typing your little rant.

The perfect part about this country, is that you're free to leave. No one's going to stop you.
 
jecclr2003 said:
While that may be true, no building before has had 2 jumbo sized jets crashing into them with full tanks and at full speed.

Hell, planes of that size didn't even EXIST when the plans were drawn for the WTC.


OR.... t could have been one lone racist nut who wasn't too keen with MLK's ideas.

Which is more likely?
Do you believe EVERY insane theory?
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They weren't anywhere NEAR top speed.
 
Comedyworks said:
They weren't anywhere NEAR top speed.
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Bullshit they weren't.
They were reportedly traveling over 500 MPH before slamming into the hollow outer shell of the WTC, cutting through it like butter.

The cruising speed for those airliners is about 550 MPH, top speed no cargo is a little over 600.
 
Maybe not a "conspiracy" per se, but I'm convinced that the whole Katie Holmes-Tom Cruise marriage is a publicity sham, and that he's actually a closeted male with an image obsession. I have nothing to back this up other than tripping my usually reliable gaydar.
 
That UFO's exist and are not manned by humans. After that, I have no idea what they are or where they came from, but they're out there, and I believe the government has been covering them up for quite a while. I think at some point though during the 40's and 50's they changed their strategy to a much, much more effective one in debunking UFO's - and thats disinformation.

It used to be you had some serious effort made by actual government officials you knew and could see, with Project Blue Book and the such, UFO sightings were in newspapers you get everyday. Then it simply stopped, because basically the government could not explain what was going on and tried hard to debunk them with ridiculous explanations that didn't fit (swamp gas???), and raised more questions than answers. So they officially "closed" Blue Book and the US government wasn't in the business of investigating these things anymore. Yeah, sure they did.

I think for the most part since then, those who are now running operations to do with this area are no longer elected people and very few in the official listed and named government know about it or have access too it, even the President. Kinda like the movie "Independence Day" when the secretary of defense said to the President ... "two words Mr President ... plausible deniability."

As for disinformation, they've done a good job with that. Most think of disinformation as just generic debunking, but its more than that. It's effectively turning UFO sightings into jokes, and they've done that. If you see one, you're a wacko, and you definitely shouldn't speak up on it. I remember after the Phoenix Lights occurred the mayor of Phoenix I believe came on stage with a mascot alien joking about it. Yeah, funny shit dude. I think at this point the government doesn't have to do much disinformation, but it was very likely prominent in the early days of actual UFO reporting. Nowadays its dismissed as a joke, and there's several people wanting attention who pull hoaxes that work on their own to make it seem laughable.

It's unfortunate things aren't taken more seriously. There's your fair share of A to Z conspiracy who jump from conclusion A, that there are UFO's, to Z that they're large preying mantis' abducting people for use of genetic material. If you stick with trying to prove A, then this whole field would be taken a lot more seriously.
 
camineet said:
*That 9/11 was not what it was made out to be, by the mainstream media and our government. Notice I didn't merely say "9/11 was an inside job". I'm not sure exactly what it was, but I'm 100% convinced what we were told was a pack of outrageous lies. The conspiracy theory is the accepted idea that two airliners brought down two (three actually) reinforced steel skyscrapers.

*That the current economic crisis was engineered and in the planning for a long, long time, to destroy the real economy and the middle class, because the American middle class is the last obstacle standing in the way of the elites total domination of the U.S. and the world.

*many aspects (not all) of the New World Order & Illuminati conspiracy. The guy I listen to with great interest on the subject is, not Alex Jones, but Dr. Stan Monteith of radioliberty.com

*That our current government is not legitimate and that it's unconstitutional, which will not change once Obama takes office because, sadly, he will just be under it even assuming he is a good person.
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Your existence offends me.
 
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