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Opinion Analysis Trailer CONTROL | PS5 - Xbox Series X - PC | Performance vs Graphics Modes Comparison | Frame Rate Test

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Im very sorry to hear that. You missed an entire history of the best games ever made and genres being formed and refined and missed on superior input tools and visual feats. Very sorry to hear that
I mean I played warcraft and quake and shit on my mom's PC as a kid... does that count? edit to add: also wordmunchers and oregon trail in school.
 
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Will this thread hit 25 pages like Hitman?

Tool in to find out.
michael fassbender perfection GIF
 

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Why you care so much? I mean from the high of what you can judge the others attitude? I did a sarcastic post about a conversation with another user and you feel the paladin of who know what, when I can see tons of Sony fanboy chill out in your post history, but not with the other fanboy. Coincidence?
No, of course not.I really think Sony fanboys are the worse.
 

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No, of course not.I really think Sony fanboys are the worse.
People who think fanboism in one side is worse than the others live in a strange bubble full of hypocrisy. Seems more you haven't a great sympathy for the Sony side and you project your rage against the Sony fanboism. Because I can point out to you millions of posts by others fanboy which haven't nothing to envy in aboutism and nonsense to the Sony front.
 
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Balducci30

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People who think fanboism in one side is worse than the others live in a strange bubble full of hypocrisy. Seems more you haven't a great sympathy for Sony and you project your rage against the Sony fanboism. Because I can point out to you thousands of posts by others fanboy which haven't nothing to envy in aboutism and nonsense to the Sony front.
Maybe it’s because there are just a hell of a lot more Sony fanboys - but I do seem to notice them being more overtly annoying than the Xbox ones. Both are stupid tho
 

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Maybe it’s because there are just a hell of a lot more Sony fanboys - but I do seem to notice them being more overtly annoying than the Xbox ones. Both are stupid tho
Just how are more annoying? Every "fanboy" or whatever is he, acts in the same way, just changes the brand side.
 
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Just how are more annoying? They did the exact same thing just change the brand.
I’m just noticing them more on the forums turning everything into a war more than the xbox people - granted I’ve only paid attention for like the past 4 months but they are definitely more prevalent and stuck firmly on one side. I assume this is because there is just a lot more of them but you’d have to be blind not to see it. The Xbox ones can be just as bad but there are way fewer raging fanboys from what I’ve seen here.
 

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I’m just noticing them more on the forums turning everything into a war more than the xbox people - granted I’ve only paid attention for like the past 4 months but they are definitely more prevalent and stuck firmly on one side. I assume this is because there is just a lot more of them but you’d have to be blind not to see it. The Xbox ones can be just as bad but there are way fewer raging fanboys from what I’ve seen here.
I remember when x360 was the lead of the market, it was exactly the same. There was always an excuse to troll about the npd results , the worst multiplat on PS3 and so on. Now Sony has a wider userbase, they are more and did the same. Are you people new of VG forum?
 
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These videos continue to be the worst thing about gaming, giving the worst people the chance to be at their worst :messenger_tears_of_joy:

I don’t usually watch these, but actually watched this one as no one was actually posting any details. They look exactly the fucking same. Anyone claiming a ‘win’ is just embarrassing themselves. Be less desperate.
 

assurdum

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I'm with you bro, and Xbox fanboys are the best.
I don't know if you are serious but I can't avoid to remind people as Tom Warren or Albert Pennello via Twitter or on Resetera and their comments about the ps5 hardware and the thousands of absurdity they posted always related to the console war. The Xbox community is full of such persons. And such personalities are supposed to be the more serious because professional. Now how MS fanboys can be better with such models? Genuine question.
 
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I don't know if you are serious but I can't avoid to remind people as Tom Warren or Albert Pennello via Twitter or on Resetera and their comments about the ps5 hardware and the thousands of absurdity they posted always related to the console war. The Xbox community is full of such persons. And such personalities are supposed to be the more serious because professional. Now how MS can be better with such models? Genuine question.

Or you know, you could just put said people on ignore.
 

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You are not in any way arguing what you think you are. The RT in Spiderman is lesser then that in control. Reasons for it don't matter.

Holy shit Spiderman is in no way the most impressive rt. Like not even remotely close. Quite a silly thing to say honestly.
One is a open world game , the other is a linear game. Controls RT might be higher resolution, it's certainly not as impressive though.
 

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People who think fanboism in one side is worse than the others live in a strange bubble full of hypocrisy. Seems more you haven't a great sympathy for the Sony side and you project your rage against the Sony fanboism. Because I can point out to you millions of posts by others fanboy which haven't nothing to envy in aboutism and nonsense to the Sony front.

As someone who games on both Sony and MS, I can honestly say Sony fans are worst. I only gamed on PS4 last gen and I noticed it.

You only have to look at the ridiculous posts on the hitman thread. That's not even getting into the 'another one' posts because xbox drops a frame here and there. If MS 'wins' on resoloution, FPS are more important. If MS wins on Graphic settings like Lighting, Shadow, textures.... Then resoloution is more important.

I hate fanboys on both sides but let's not pretend they are both equal in output.
 
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As someone who games on both Sony and MS, I can honestly say Sony fans are worst.

You only have to look at the ridiculous posts on the hitman thread. That's not even getting into the 'another one' posts because xbox drops a frame here and there. If MS 'wins' on resoloution, FPS are more important. If MS wins on Graphic settings like Lighting, Shadow, textures.... Then resoloution is more important.

I hate fanboys on both sides but let's not pretend they are both equal in output.
Please we can't stop with this stupid argument? A month ago AC Valhalla was better smoother for the other side but 1080p dynamic drops wasnt a big issue; in Hitman 3 1800p suddenly was perceivable to everyone. A fucking site who claimed native resolution counts nothing for months, smoother fps above everything, suddenly claimed "ah it's an huge upgrade, the port Xbox fan waiting for, smoother FPS nah we can live with some drops with 4k native" 😌 Come on. It's the exact same narrative on both sides
 
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Most disappointing is that the next generation consoles couldn't even run 1440p on all low settings, they had to create some new ultra low settings to hit 60 vanilla or 30 RT, where the RT only runs 1 effect (reflections) and is lower than pc low in every metric (reflection resolution, # bounces, lod, etc).

It’s facking Remedy.
 

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I don't know if you are serious but I can't avoid to remind people as Tom Warren or Albert Pennello via Twitter or on Resetera and their comments about the ps5 hardware and the thousands of absurdity they posted always related to the console war. The Xbox community is full of such persons. And such personalities are supposed to be the more serious because professional. Now how MS fanboys can be better with such models? Genuine question.
It's obviously a jab, who ever says fanboys of one side are the worse is only showing their true colors lol
Fake edit: and another one...
 
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Please we can't stop with this stupid argument? A month ago AC Valhalla was better because more smoother from the other side, 1080p dynamic drops wasnt noticeable but 1800p is perceivable. Come on. It's the exact same narrative on both sides

If I said I'm switching from xbox one to PS5 I'd get a load of congrats comments here on gaf. Nothing noteworthy though.

When I said on this forum I'm going for a series X first because gamepass seems like such a steal..... I received a load of comments about how I've created a fake neogaf account to try and get people to switch to MS.... As there's no possible way people are switching.

I don't think both sides are equal in their crazy. Don't understand why people can't just enjoy the game. Enjoy posting all day about the extra 1fps, secret cerny sauce, anotherone.gif....instead of actually playing and enjoying games.

Anyway, is the update included in the gamepass version?
 
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assurdum

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If I said I'm switching from xbox one to PS5 I'd get a load of congrats comments here on gaf. Nothing noteworthy though.

When I said on this forum I'm going for a series X first because gamepass seems like such a steal..... I received a load of comments about how I've created a fake neogaf account to try and get people to switch to MS.... As there's no possible way people are switching.

I don't think both sides are equal in their crazy. Don't understand why people can't just enjoy the game. Enjoy posting all day about the extra 1fps, secret cerny sauce, anotherone.gif....instead of actually playing and enjoying games.
An Xbox fan beaten me on the street so I can say they are the worst. More or less is your argument. Put a personal experience as a statistical uncontroverted data and make generic assumption which resume all the category. What happen to me in a specific place represents the whole community reality. It's a strange philosophy and a wrong generalisation.
 
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Drops on both in this vid... Like 1 or 2 frames max. Nothing really. RT looks nice, although I can't see myself not playing at 60hz
 
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An Xbox fan beaten me on the street so I can say they are the worst. More or less is your argument. Put a personal experience as a statistical uncontroverted data and make generic assumption which resume all the category. What happen to me in a specific place represents the whole community reality. It's a strange philosophy and a wrong generalisation.
Honest question.

Are you using Google Translate?
 
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Was OK playing this one at 30fps so I could beat my little weiner over ray tracing. But wtf at this unfixable motion blur when turning. 60fps it is.
 
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Odd. Maybe it’s just the 30 FPS being 30 FPS , and you’re more accustomed to 60.
I don't think so. I'm very accustomed to 30 when I never even upgraded my OG ps4 to the pro lol. It really is just motion blur you can't disable. Maybe someone else playing wants to chime in? But I think its just some weird shit they will maybe fix at some point
 

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Yeah its not attached to motion blur or film grain. Very weird
Its your eyes that got used to 60fps. Going back to 30fps take time for the eyes to adjust. I felt the same thing playing at 30fps with RT, almost to the point of starting to feel motion sickness. Then after 1 hour of gameplay at 30fps i was already playing fine and not noticing any problems in moving the camera around.

Anyone that wants to play this game with RT on, cant just be switching 60fps on and off, your eyes will struggle to adjust to 30fps every time.
 

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So looking at footage the XSX seems to be struggling more than PS5 in scenes with heavy alpha. Which appears to be a trend, probably due to higher pixel fill rate . Still mostly solid performance from both, though I don't think I fancy losing the smoothness and responsiveness of 60fps just for the RT in this title, as the combat is so fast paced. I suspect ill just be turning it on for screenshots, at least it doesn't require a restart to turn it on/off.
 
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Its your eyes that got used to 60fps. Going back to 30fps take time for the eyes to adjust. I felt the same thing playing at 30fps with RT, almost to the point of starting to feel motion sickness. Then after 1 hour of gameplay at 30fps i was already playing fine and not noticing any problems in moving the camera around.

Anyone that wants to play this game with RT on, cant just be switching 60fps on and off, your eyes will struggle to adjust to 30fps every time.
Idk man. I played some of Spiderman remastered on 30fps when I got the PS5 and turning did not cause blurriness at all. I mean, its literal motion blur when you're turning in Control. But whatever, not dealing w that shit
 
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I slowly doubt that it is the missing tools that gives PS5 so often the advantage. There was some talk a while ago that Microsoft is investigating why the PS5 outperforms the XBOX sometimes. If it would be the missing tools or the delayed delivery of such tools, it should be clear for Microsoft and an investigation would not be required. I honestly think that Microsoft just looked at the numbers when building their system, while Sony not chosen the strongest parts, but focused more that every single part is running in harmony with each other. It’s like when building a PC, just putting blindly the strongest parts on paper in your system does not guarantee you the best performance.
 
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I slowly doubt that it is the missing tools that gives PS5 so often the advantage. There was some talk a while ago that Microsoft is investigating why the PS5 outperforms the XBOX sometimes. If it would be the missing tools or the delayed delivery of such tools, it should be clear for Microsoft and an investigation would not be required. I honestly think that Microsoft just looked at the numbers when building their system, while Sony not chosen the strongest parts, but focused more that every single part is running in harmony with each other. It’s like when building a PC, just putting blindly the strongest parts on paper in your system does not guarantee you the best performance.
Yeah. MS is no doubt getting better at hardware but if you think about it they rarely outperform their competitors in simultaneous launches. They usually come in a bit later when they’re better. Xbox One X was better than Pro because it came a year later. Xbox had the same advantage over PS2. Xbox 360 is the exception but I’d say it was because crazy Ken had an idea that didn’t work out.
Considering they have no games ready I think they should’ve launched Series X in late 2021 or early 2022 instead, with better hardware. It’s no doubt the worst launch and launch window I’ve ever experienced. And the tools excuse is a meme at this point.

That said, I’m disappointed at both consoles regarding performance. AMD is completely ruining the raytracing capabilities from the look of it. I bet it’ll be no or low RT at 60fps or low or medium RT at 30fps throughout this whole gen.
 
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Yeah. MS is no doubt getting better at hardware but if you think about it they rarely outperform their competitors in simultaneous launches. They usually come in a bit later when they’re better. Xbox One X was better than Pro because it came a year later. Xbox had the same advantage over PS2. Xbox 360 is the exception but I’d say it was because crazy Ken had an idea that didn’t work out.
Considering they have no games ready I think they should’ve launched Series X in late 2021 or early 2022 instead, with better hardware. It’s no doubt the worst launch and launch window I’ve ever experienced. And the tools excuse is a meme at this point.

That said, I’m disappointed at both consoles regarding performance. AMD is completely ruining the raytracing capabilities from the look of it. I bet it’ll be no or low RT at 60fps or low or medium RT at 30fps throughout this whole gen.
This is an odd take. The X1 and X Series are the only consoles that came out at the same time as PlayStations. X360 as you noted performed better and the original Xbox and X1X also performed better. This gen is largely a wash with Hitman 3 being the only title that has a significant advantage on one console and it was not the PS5. Meaning the X1 was the only console that consistently performed worse than the PS4 and that wasn't much of a game console but some sort of media concoction.

Pretty sure the differences in this game will be minimal but a 59.75 vs 58.5 fps advantage is obviously a clear win for the PS5 and I won't take away from it. Congrats Sony.