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Costume pics for Burtons failed SUPERMAN LIVES film

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bah.. I love me some Nicholas Cage but these guys where nuts if they thought that even had a chance.. I could work if maybe he was Luther or some other insane criminal.
 
ToxicAdam said:
Damn, that was great. I listened to the entire thing.

What a fucked up system Hollywood is. :lol
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Okay that had me laughing my ass off.

Well now I'm conflicted. Superman Returns sucked... but good God the 90's could have gotten a franchise killer.
 
I just read Kevin Smith's script for Superman Lives after getting reminded of the failed film and it was pretty good. It had the Eradicator as a machine made to save life, and also was the rocket that brought Superman to Earth. While Brainiac was opposite, an evil machine who also wants to absorb the Eradicator and have ultimate power. It also had Lex Luthor joining Brainiac and after using Doomsday to kill Superman they pretend they were helping Superman while he was alive, which Lois Lane is suspicious of. They also block out the sun to weaken Superman in his fight so he can't recharge against Doomsday, and pretend they blocked out the sun so an alien armada won't destroy Earth. The script actually does a pretty good job of condensing down most of the best parts of Death of Superman for a two hour movie. The only bad thing is after Superman is killed the Eradicator brings him back but he is pretty weak for half the script so it might be kind of disappointing for Superman to only have his powers back at the end, but that's what the comics also did. Brainiac's robot sidekick wasn't annoying at all and it was kind of cool how it was Superman and Eradicator vs. Brainiac and his robot ally. Obviously, if production had taken place, the film wouldn't have resembled the script at all, but it's fun to imagine what we could get if Superman is taken as seriously as Batman is now. The conversations the Eradicator and Supes have were actually damn funny too.
 
NutJobJim said:
As for the X-Men movies, I do think they were slightly overrated, and part of me understands when the comic book fan complains that they're not 'X-Men' stories but 'Wolverine and friends' stories. If that is your complain though, and it may not be I'm just assuming that it is, then it isnÂ’t really valid when assessing their quality as films. Regardless of their authenticity to the source material, they are still good movies in their own right. Good stories generally need a central protagonist (not necessarily always, but generally). In this instance they chose the Logan character (a good choice in my opinion), yet still managed to achieve a balance by giving the support characters enough screen time to be relevant in the narrative.
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Nah, I don't give fuck about the characters or how faithful the movies are to the already shitty source material. If you film a superhero movie and aim it towards adults you get the shit we're getting right now in the genre.

Raimi is probably the only guy who got how to film a decent superhero flick. I wouldn't return to any of the Spiderman movies, but the first two were enjoyable to watch and the third had some hilarious moments.

Superman Returns was one of the most pretentious piece of garbage I've ever seen. I literally squirmed in my seat when Superman fell to earth in jesus position...
 
zoukka said:
Superman Returns was one of the most pretentious piece of garbage I've ever seen. I literally squirmed in my seat when Superman fell to earth in jesus position...
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Heh, my colleagues and I were ecstatic watching it and we cheered throughout the movie.
 
Chemo said:
Fun fact: Most of the films you listed are terrible.
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Fun fact: you are terrible

And Nolans Batman sucks compared to Burtons, deal with it.

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Just going by Rottentomatoes, 8 of his directorial movies are over 80% positive & 4 are over 90%, making him one of the better directors of the past few decades.
 
FTWer said:
And Nolans Batman sucks compared to Burtons, deal with it.
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I don't know, I found Nolan's realistic 'Batman '= serious business' movies to be dreadfully boring and way worse than the Burtman movies, but they're wildly different takes on the same source material. Burton's adaptions are closer to the comic books, while Nolan's adaptions are doing their own thing, with a more realistic take on the Batman franchise. And I like Batman mainly due to the colourful comic book villains, as Batman himself is a fairly dull and uninteresting character, so the Nolan movies did nothing for me.
 
Naked Snake said:
Heh, my colleagues and I were ecstatic watching it and we cheered throughout the movie.
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Superman Returns is a fantastic movie if you see it as trying to fight the mold of what superhero movies try to be. There was no supervillain or action, just straight up drama. ANd it was very well made.

But of course, people will hate.
 
Ima punch Burton in his fucking ovaries.

And Superman Returns was straight up shit. Good looking shit, but the smelliest ever shat out.
 
Sapiens said:
Can we all agree that most of these superhero films age terribly?

Batman 89 aged horribly by the time Batman Returns released in 1992. And while Returns held up, especially against Forever and Robin, it's now hard to watch, especially with all the penguin shit everywhere.

Batman Begins is incredibly corny. TDK is great, but the corniness remains (the two guido kids making *pew*pew* sounds?).

Superman is now terrible beyond belief.

I could keep going, but you see the point. A lot of these superhero films are not designed as art at all. They are designed as the centrepiece of a marketing machine. And when that happens, you get films that seem cutting edge at first, but look dated against the new model.

I mean, how amazing did IronMan seem when it first came out? Now, I can't even be bothered to get past the first 20 minutes. People LOVED Transformers 1 and 2, as well (but they're fucking terrible and the fans of these films even complain about them).

I'm sure if Superman Lives came out, it would have been seen as cutting edge and everyone would have loved it. And it would have aged terribly, judging by the very 1997 look of the transparent plastic that was all the rage back then.

The reason why Superman Returns seemed boring, dated and uncohesive, was because it was based on a 30 year old film franchise, and was not it's own new thing.


Conclusion - just like TDK make BB look dated only after three years, TDKR will do the same to TDK.

And I'm saying that as a big fan of TDK and Nolan. These films are simply not designed to stand the test of time.
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au usual mate you make some valid and not so valid points
 
Willy105 said:
Superman Returns is a fantastic movie if you see it as trying to fight the mold of what superhero movies try to be. There was no supervillain or action, just straight up drama. ANd it was very well made.

But of course, people will hate.
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Fighting the mold? It's a thinly veiled retread of the first Superman movie.

And if Lex Luthor isn't a supervillain then there are no supervillains.
 
Willy105 said:
Superman Returns is a fantastic movie if you see it as trying to fight the mold of what superhero movies try to be. There was no supervillain or action, just straight up drama. ANd it was very well made.

But of course, people will hate.
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please. SR was as typical as it usually gets with superhero movies, only with more boring arse scenes
 
FTWer said:
And Nolans Batman sucks compared to Burtons, deal with it.
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This is not true. In fact total BS. Get off Burton's sack and you will see how bad those movies are. Especially Returns. Over acting, horrible set design, and ruining characters is the only thing Burton did in those movies. Don't even get me started on how Bruce was in those films.
 
FTWer said:
Fun fact: you are terrible

And Nolans Batman sucks compared to Burtons, deal with it.

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Just going by Rottentomatoes, 8 of his directorial movies are over 80% positive & 4 are over 90%, making him one of the better directors of the past few decades.
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Oh, now I'm terrible for pointing out shit that people don't want to accept.

I really couldn't give a fourth of a mother fuck what Rotten Tomatoes says. Plenty of critics are just as snowed as you are by Burton's visual "charm." Honestly, though, I also can't really say that I care if you ever figure it out or not. Burton is a terrible filmmaker, but you're absolutely free to enjoy the Hollywood equivalent of scat porn if you're so inclined.
 
weekend_warrior said:
You are tearing me apart Lisa!!

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I would never hit her...hey Mark!
 
Tim Burton misses far more than he hits and his hits aren't much to get excited about. He's about as interesting a filmmaker these days as Brett Ratner is.
 
Why are you heartless bastards hating on Cage? Is that in fashion now? Having him play Superman would be more surreal and awesome than anything Burton's ever done.
 
Anyone here see "Comic Book: The Movie"? The whole plot revolves around spoofing the Burton Superman nightmare. Its also pretty funny.
 
Ah yes...a film that had at some point included these elements.

-The role of Superman being filled by Nicolas Cage only after scrapping the idea of Ben Afleck
-Blocking out the sun
-A dog character owned by Luthor made entirely with merchandising a cute animal in mind
-A super villain mashup of Lex Luthor and Brainiac called LEXIAC
-A gay r2-d2 clone WITH ATTITUDE
-A black and I quote "Less Faggy" Superman suit redesign
-A constant companion for Superman in nearly every scene known as Eradicator
-Doomsday
-A giant Spider fight
-Brainiac fighting polar bears at the north pole
-An attempt to get Will Smith to play Superman instead of Cage near the end. The only one smart enough to say this was a retarded idea due to ethnicity concerns was Will Smith himself who thought they were nuts to want to attempt it.

Considering the effects were to be shot in 99' its hard to tell how it would have looked too.

It had all of the makings of a campy as fuck shit-sandwich though.
 
I thought Superman Returns was decent but a bit on the slow side. I thought the movie's biggest flaw is that it tried to continue the storyline from Superman 1 and 2 which were over two decades old at that point. I had no problem with Brandon Routh from that regard because he played the role exactly like Christopher Reeve did. Spacey was a slightly more sinister variation og Hackman's Luthor, but the overall plot was not very interesting.
 
Also, a rare pic of the Will Smith costume test after he was approached for the role!

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The history of this movie lends itself so easily to this kind of abuse.
 
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