Bobby Roberts
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Could the Avengers (MCU) have stopped the invasion of Earth by Zod (MoS)?
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NOPE! Captain America did... something.
PhoncipleBone
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Only two that would stand a chance would be Thor and Hulk. The others would probably drop pretty quick. I would say throw Hulk at the World Engine, then let Thor take on the cronies in Metropolis.
Either way, most of the Avengers would be wrecked.
Either way, most of the Avengers would be wrecked.
Manmademan
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Thor.
The world engine was only a threat because it robbed MOS superman of his powers getting near it. Thor doesn't have that problem.
also, what's to stop the Avengers from just smashing a helicarrier on top of it?
Faora is doing jack shit to the hulk. Keep in mind the hulk is the only one here with a healing factor.
Boombloxer
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Doesn't need to be in the suit to pilot it.
^^Why are you posting the wrong gifs? Thor and Hulk are the comparisons, not Cap, who already wiped the floor with Bats.
Pai Pai Master
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Can they pick up Hyperion, Beta Ray Bill and Sentry on the way?
GungHo
Single-handedly caused Exxon-Mobil to sue FOX, start World War 3
He's telekinetic.
The gravity would crush the suit like a tin can.
Killing_Joke
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Thor is strong but slow. They would just run circles around him. Hulk is the only one that can probably knock out a tooth. They can just fly around him wrap him up and toss him into the sun. Fight over.
Now if it's straight up one on one. Not sure if zod can take on the hulk alone.
Now if it's straight up one on one. Not sure if zod can take on the hulk alone.
Manmademan
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Thor isn't slow at all. Both Thor and Hulk have reflexes that scale right along with their strength level.
Keep in mind also that Thor is much, much better at flying than that whole crew is with the exception of Zod in the last 5 to 10 minutes of man of steel. None of the rest of them are going to be able to handle an asgardian who has several thousand years of flight combat experience.
edit: then there's this:
couldn't thor just cast lightning on the world engine
hulk could probably take the gravitational force and fight the kryptonians head on
cap could probably out maneuver whatever gets thrown at him
stark could take the battle somewhere where they have the advantage
widow would somehow trick zod into defeat
told them all to go underground
hulk could probably take the gravitational force and fight the kryptonians head on
cap could probably out maneuver whatever gets thrown at him
stark could take the battle somewhere where they have the advantage
widow would somehow trick zod into defeat
told them all to go underground
alexandros
Banned
It seems to me that Thor is at the same power level as the Kryptonians (basically indestructible, just a different power set) and Hulk is even stronger than that, so I can see Thor, Hulk and a properly suited up Tony Stark being able to hold their own. Avengers Cap, Black Widow and Hawkeye are toast within minutes. I think the existence of Hulk means that yeah, in the end Avengers stop the invasion.
Thor isn't slow at all. Both Thor and Hulk have reflexes that scale right along with their strength level.
Keep in mind also that Thor is much, much better at flying than that whole crew is with the exception of Zod in the last 5 to 10 minutes of man of steel. None of the rest of them are going to be able to handle an asgardian who has several thousand years of flight combat experience.
edit: then there's this:
What? There isn't a single feat in the MCU that comes close to what Faora did to Superman and the Soldiers in Smallville and the scale of Zod vs Superman. Snyder took "invulnerability" to its logical conclusion. Even after their battle, Zod and Supes had ZERO scratches on them. What the fuck is Movie! Thor going to do against that kind of durability when aliens make him visibly tired and he shows battle damage?
Thor gets wrecked, as does the rest of the team.
Hot Coldman
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No, but only because they'd be paying attention to minimising civilian casualties. How can Cap fight when he's so busy rescuing people?
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Kryptonians are weak against magic, so Thor will have a big advantage.
alexandros
Banned
Snap their necks?
Jmanunknown
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Of course the MCU Avengers can stop Zod and his crew from Mos it just depends on who is writing. It is not like Zod and his crew are all superman prime. They cannot even fly and have trouble adapting to earth if their helmets get broken. .
Manmademan
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Keep in mind also that the tech SHIELD has is light years past the US Army in man of steel. it's not even close. TWS showed that shield had been stockpiling HYDRA tech for years, and coulson had a gun that was capable of putting the hurt on Loki.
Earth is probably taking some damage, but the Avengers take out this crew with some effort.
Hot Coldman
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Thor ain't magic. He just looks magic.
Yes, I know.
Doctor Strange would fuck him up without breaking a sweat, though. Scarlet Witch too.
Well, here is how I would write it. Zod and co. come to Earth, believe it to be a good place to settle, arrive undetected and begin the world engine machine straight away, only it is placed in an out of the way area, and is undetected. Shield notices some unusual atmosphere shit is going on and sends Hawkeye to investigate. He rolls up and gets a bead on the Zod army with their world engine (it would be a considerably less violent world engine). A couple of the grunts notice Hawkeye and give chase, Hawkeye is able to take off on his flying motorcycle thing and the Zod army (who haven't figured out flight yet) pursue on foot at super speed. Hawkeye calls for reinforcements and Cap shows up and gets a serious beatdown. Hawkeye is shooting his trick arrows and cap is throwing his shield, but they just can't match the speed and strength of these Kryptonians. They both retreat and are able to get away, but Zod is now aware of the superheros. He decides to launch an offensive to lure them out. And attack the nearest major city. He is forced to push up his time table, as he wanted to have altered the atmosphere considerably more before launching his offensive (enough that people were getting sick from unknown causes by the millions). He is able to quickly conquer and subjugate the nearest major population center (I don't know where somewhere not in the states, and not often used in films). He sets this up as his capital while Shield is trying to wrangle in the Avengers. And the worlds military converges. For whatever reason assembling the team again is difficult. Stark and Bruce are put to work trying to figure out a weakness, but without any data to go on they are getting nowhere. Meanwhile Thor and Cap are attempting to oust Zod from his earthly seat of power, and are getting stopped at all fronts, and Hawkeye and Widow are trying to get close enough to the world engine to destroy it. After the unsuccessful attempts of all three teams they regroup, beaten and bloody. However Thor was able to wound somebody and Bruce picks up on an interesting reaction. When he is nearby the blood on Thor's hammer begins to reverberate ever so slightly. You see, the green of kryptonite and the green of the hulk are both the result of gamma radiation (forget the fact that Gamma radiation is invisible for a minute). They do some research and find that (although the energy that the Hulk releases is the wrong frequency to have a major effect) a targeted Gamma ray bomb of the proper frequency could temporarily weaken the ever stronger Kryptonians. So now the goal is to get the entire Kryptonian army together in one place and all within range of the bomb. The final action scene would be the Avengers team fighting off the Kryptonians as best as they can while trying to corral them while Hulk plays the running back with the gamma bomb. They are able to destroy the world engine and de-power and trap everybody in a gamma field except Zod (who has learned how to fly and gets out of there just in time). The entire team confronts him and eventually after a hard fight Zod goes down. Maybe at some point Thor goes down for the count, and Cap picks up Thor's hammer and with it the power of the thunderer.
m_shortpants
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Does Kryptonite even exist in MoSverse?
They kind of skirted around it with the whole "atmosphere" thing.
They kind of skirted around it with the whole "atmosphere" thing.
Zod adapted to Earth in a matter of days.
Whatever tech SHIELD has, the Kryptonian tech is probably better as they are a more advanced race.
TWS Cap over TDK Bats is as obvious as MoS Kryptonians over MCU Avengers.
Manmademan
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Hot Coldman
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It's the thing that makes Lex even remotely threatening to Supes, and he's in the next film, so I'm gonna say "probably".
Killing_Joke
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Thor isn't slow at all. Both Thor and Hulk have reflexes that scale right along with their strength level.
Keep in mind also that Thor is much, much better at flying than that whole crew is with the exception of Zod in the last 5 to 10 minutes of man of steel. None of the rest of them are going to be able to handle an asgardian who has several thousand years of flight combat experience.
edit: then there's this:
Compared to Kyrptonians? The Thor movies are foggy but i don't remember any light speed fighting. Not saying he can't do it but i don't think it's been a proven ability in the movies at least.
shield tech is powered by magic tho
Nemesis121
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Zod in MoS was born to be a warrior, after a few rounds with Hulk he would realize I can't put him down, gonna throw this fucker into Space, IMO i can't see Avengers stopping Zod and his soldiers..
KingofGourds
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The Avengers would probably take it, but it would be a drawn-out and casualty heavy battle.
The players on the team who aren't capable of taking a hit would need to be running support something fierce using Stark & Shield tech.
Hulk would probably be required to take out the world engine as the protracted manner in which that works and its inability to deal enough force to quickly kill him would amp up his rage to the point where he basically rips it to pieces with his bare hands.
Thor meanwhile is stalling and staving off the Kryptonians using his power set which is both magically infused and capable of range and large area of effect; but he wouldn't be able to hold them off forever, and getting the (enraged) Hulk back after he destroys the world engine to reinforce Thor is the only guarantee of an Avengers victory.
It would be brutal though.
The players on the team who aren't capable of taking a hit would need to be running support something fierce using Stark & Shield tech.
Hulk would probably be required to take out the world engine as the protracted manner in which that works and its inability to deal enough force to quickly kill him would amp up his rage to the point where he basically rips it to pieces with his bare hands.
Thor meanwhile is stalling and staving off the Kryptonians using his power set which is both magically infused and capable of range and large area of effect; but he wouldn't be able to hold them off forever, and getting the (enraged) Hulk back after he destroys the world engine to reinforce Thor is the only guarantee of an Avengers victory.
It would be brutal though.
Also, unless I'm mistaken
They aren't weak to magic, they aren't immune to magic.
To use Pokemon, it's not 2X damage from magic, it's just Normal damage.
Where physical attacks are like 1/2X damage
Manmademan
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The kryptonians weren't going "light speed" either. Fast, yes. light speed, no. Thor is about as fast as the plot requires, and throws lightning around when he's pissed off. No one is blitzing thor here.
magic doesn't come up in MOS, so it's pointless to talk about it. But it's definitively a "weakness" per DC now, as established in the DC vs. Masters of the universe crossover. (DC owns both, it's canon.) If you're immune or highly resistant to conventional damage UNLESS it's magical, that's an "achilles heel", or a weakness. DC vs. MOU also establishes that superman has trouble INJURING magical constructs as well.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
You throw Hulk into space, he's just gonna come back madder and stronger.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Nah. Captain America would have... done something.
What often makes Lex a threat is what he does to everyone else. Using kryptonite is weak sauce for Lex
Manmademan
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none of the MOS kryptonians were "Throw someone into space" strong anyway.
MisterHero
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lol Zod, Faora and 'Non' would hover above Earth and take turns heat vision-ing Hulk.
Hot Coldman
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Oh yeah, I just meant threatening in a "do physical damage to Superman" sense, obviously Lex has other ways to make Supes kneel
Magic and kryptonite aren't established as weaknesses for the MoS if I recall correctly.
Avengers would get smashed, their tech is behind Stark's. Fury/Iron Man/Cap Evans would be dead trying to save the carrier, Black Widow would be useless with a glock, etc.
Only real hope is Thor and the Hulk but they seem way too slow and would probably end up hitting eachother like they did in the Avengers as well
I think you are overselling Thor, he hasn't look as impressive in his movies as the kryptonians did in MoS battle-wise.
Nothing that would make me go right now "Zod and his goons would have problems with this guy"
Hulk is the only guy that could give Zod problems, but that's just one guy and Zod has maybe 5 o 6 guys with comparable strength to Superman. I think in the end Zod's crew takes this.
Manmademan
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Comic Thor and Hulk are probably on par. none of those three have any defined limits to how strong they are.
MOU Thor and Hulk vs. Superman? Hulk is *probably* the strongest one here.
Disagree. Thor has a habit of calling down MASSIVE lightning blitz. none of the kryptonians would survive that.
And yes, he can charge the hammer with it.
Kryptonians are not shrugging that off.
Bobby Roberts
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Didn't Superman actually throw Zod into space?
Like, it happened on screen.
This hypothetical is based on what we've seen in the films themselves, not their source materials, right?
edit: Looks like Superman was already in the outer atmosphere before chucking Zod into that satellite.
Colonel Nasty
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Tony Stark made a brand new element. He can make kryptonite.
What's really funny is Iron Man, Cap, and shield would get wiped out but people are gonna act like Batman has a chance against superman and through the power of bullshit, will.
What's really funny is Iron Man, Cap, and shield would get wiped out but people are gonna act like Batman has a chance against superman and through the power of bullshit, will.
Schweinehund
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Ironman 3 really hurt the image of Tony's suit durability. Didn't it get disassembled by a truck and him pushing it over at one point?
Kryptonians being vulnerable to magic hasn't been established at this point either. Magic isn't even a thing in Man of Steel.
If the Kryptonians can disarm Thor (break his arm/wrist) then Thor is out. I don't think Thor w/o hammer is as strong as the Kryptonians are, and Kryptonians definitely have the speed edge over all the Marvel characters. Heat Vision could also be an effective tool
Depending on how quickly the other Kryptonians handle the avengers, it could end up being all three of them vs Hulk, and I'd have to favor the Kryptonians then.
I think I may give this to Zod after all.
Kryptonians being vulnerable to magic hasn't been established at this point either. Magic isn't even a thing in Man of Steel.
If the Kryptonians can disarm Thor (break his arm/wrist) then Thor is out. I don't think Thor w/o hammer is as strong as the Kryptonians are, and Kryptonians definitely have the speed edge over all the Marvel characters. Heat Vision could also be an effective tool
Depending on how quickly the other Kryptonians handle the avengers, it could end up being all three of them vs Hulk, and I'd have to favor the Kryptonians then.
I think I may give this to Zod after all.
Hawkeye, Widow, and Cap could effectively take the place of the military people delivering the phantom drive (assuming that's kept in the story for plot).
Thor would take the place of Superman taking out the machine on the other side of the planet.
Stark could blow up the rest of the machine in New York/Metropolis.
Hulk could destroy the city.
Thor would take the place of Superman taking out the machine on the other side of the planet.
Stark could blow up the rest of the machine in New York/Metropolis.
Hulk could destroy the city.
I think people are forgetting that Zod and co are TRAINED SOLDIERS.
So they have the equivalent of Cap's training AND Thor's strength AND Hulk's invulnerability. They also, in this canon, have no real weaknesses. Kryptonite isn't a thing, Avengers is set entirely during the day, and also heat vision.
I will concede that Thor/Hulk could take some of them on, but all Zod et al would have to do is fly Hulk into space, and hurl him towards the moon. Hulk's out of the battle. They'd fire heat vision at Thor's hammer so he'd drop it, and then decimate him hand to hand.
Cap would earn Faora's respect, but she'd still kill him.
Now if you had Scarlet Widow, Avengers would win.
broncobuster
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About flying away,
http://i.minus.com/ibb6ZiKC549LGN.gif
Feats of strength are inconsistent in the MCU. Avengers' Thor can't compare to Thor's Thor. The Avengers would be stronger in the MoS universe or the Kryptonians weaker in the MCU; either way the odds will be better for them. As it stands the point of comparison between the two universes is Hulk vs an F-35 and an ordinary kryptonian vs an A-10.
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