ElectricBlanketFire
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A launch lineup is a LINEUP yet all you are talking about is Zelda. One game does not make a launch lineup. It seems you are the one not understanding.
It does when the attach rate is over 100%.
A launch lineup is a LINEUP yet all you are talking about is Zelda. One game does not make a launch lineup. It seems you are the one not understanding.
It had golden abyss, which was not only the best uncharted behind uncharted 1, but a way more rounded game than breath of the wild.
A launch lineup is a LINEUP yet all you are talking about is Zelda. One game does not make a launch lineup. It seems you are the one not understanding.
Now if you tell me that Vita didn't have a system seller like Switch has with Zelda then I'll agree.
They released a lot of good games, but they didn't really do a good job marketing those games. I mean, Tearaway has an 87 on Metacritic with 76 positive reviews, and it deserves those reviews because it's an awesome, unique game that is different than anything on any other platform. But they barely marketed the game and it sold poorly. The game released on the same day as Link Between Worlds and the Xbox One Launch. They sent it do die.People say that Sony didn't support the Vita with good games, but if Sony had released all of its Vita games on the 3DS, they would have been considered one of the best 3rd party publishers on the system. They released great stuff, it's just that nobody comes close to matching Nintendo when it comes to portable support.
absolutely
the analog to BotW would be a big tent pole game from Naughty Dog at launch and if that had happened it would have been a completely different story
There's nothing to explain. One fantastic game can make for a more monumental launch than 10 good games depending on what you're looking for. There's no good argument to be had here.
While many point towards this being a major reason for Vita's downfall, I'd imagine it's something Sony did to make up for the Vita's low launch price (same as 3DS launched at) rather than something that needed to cost that muchThe weird thing is how Vita didn't end up being a threat at all to the 3DS, it launched late and didn't really address things to make it competitive with the 3DS. Eg. They decided to use proprietary memory instead of SD cards.
Don't do this man, just stop. Don't post definitions like a jerk.But that is an opinion no? We are talking about a launch "lineup" which by definition is more than one.
Definition of lineup
1
a : a list of players taking part in a game (as of baseball) the starting lineup
b : the players on such a list
2
a : an alignment (as in entertainment or politics) of persons or things having a common purpose, distinction, or bond the show's star-studded lineup
b : line 11 the new lineup of fall fashions
c : a television programming schedule tonight's lineup of programs
3
: a line of persons arranged especially for inspection or for identification by police was asked to pick her attacker out of a lineup
Why would they release a big tent pole Naughty Dog game on Vita and not PS3/PS4 though?
It had golden abyss, which was not only the best uncharted behind uncharted 1, but a way more rounded game than breath of the wild.
You're forgetting Switch has Vroom in the night Sky breh
But that is an opinion no? We are talking about a launch "lineup" which by definition is more than one.
Definition of lineup
1
a : a list of players taking part in a game (as of baseball) the starting lineup
b : the players on such a list
2
a : an alignment (as in entertainment or politics) of persons or things having a common purpose, distinction, or bond the show's star-studded lineup
b : line 11 the new lineup of fall fashions
c : a television programming schedule tonight's lineup of programs
3
: a line of persons arranged especially for inspection or for identification by police was asked to pick her attacker out of a lineup
What is this?
Edit: Oh I see. Hahaha.
But that is an opinion no? We are talking about a launch "lineup" which by definition is more than one.
Definition of lineup
1
a : a list of players taking part in a game (as of baseball) the starting lineup
b : the players on such a list
2
a : an alignment (as in entertainment or politics) of persons or things having a common purpose, distinction, or bond the show's star-studded lineup
b : line 11 the new lineup of fall fashions
c : a television programming schedule tonight's lineup of programs
3
: a line of persons arranged especially for inspection or for identification by police was asked to pick her attacker out of a lineup
I don't agree with this, there is a ton of third party support for Vita. Sony first party support ended in 2014, and marketing for the system basically ended in 2013. Meanwhile it is 2017 and in May the Vita is getting 8+ retail releases, all from third parties.Sony didn't fail the Vita; third parties, the lifeblood of every Sony console, failed it and unlike in the PSP era which coincided with their greatest generation ever, Sony didn't enjoy a virtually uncontested market in 2012 by which to more assertively induce that support.
But that is an opinion no? We are talking about a launch "lineup" which by definition is more than one.
Definition of lineup
1
a : a list of players taking part in a game (as of baseball) the starting lineup
b : the players on such a list
2
a : an alignment (as in entertainment or politics) of persons or things having a common purpose, distinction, or bond the show's star-studded lineup
b : line 11 the new lineup of fall fashions
c : a television programming schedule tonight's lineup of programs
3
: a line of persons arranged especially for inspection or for identification by police was asked to pick her attacker out of a lineup
Don't do this man, just stop. Don't post definitions like a jerk.
You seem upset.A launch lineup is a LINEUP yet all you are talking about is Zelda. One game does not make a launch lineup. It seems you are the one not understanding.
Yeah but people as in consumers were more interested by one over the other. which is the entire and most important point. There's no point have a "great" range of launch titles if none of them are appealing to consumers. People actually have to buy these games and the system for these games.But that is an opinion no? We are talking about a launch "lineup" which by definition is more than one.
Definition of lineup
1
a : a list of players taking part in a game (as of baseball) the starting lineup
b : the players on such a list
2
a : an alignment (as in entertainment or politics) of persons or things having a common purpose, distinction, or bond the show's star-studded lineup
b : line 11 the new lineup of fall fashions
c : a television programming schedule tonight's lineup of programs
3
: a line of persons arranged especially for inspection or for identification by police was asked to pick her attacker out of a lineup
You can't prove one launch lineup is objectively better than another because launch lineup quality is incredibly subjective. That's all people are trying to tell you.I'm not trying to be a jerk. I'm being told there is no debating this and I'm wrong for thinking this way. It's how I feel and trying to make my point. Whatever I see there is no discussing it here. People love their Zelda. I'll take a loss.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
I'm not trying to be a jerk. I'm being told there is no debating this and I'm wrong for thinking this way. It's how I feel and trying to make my point. Whatever I see there is no discussing it here. People love their Zelda. I'll take a loss.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
Well, for starters, there were more games than just Zelda at launch. Secondly, I think you're ignoring that my all star team of Michael Jordan at his prime and 4 "decent" players that can competently dribble and pass a basketball might be able to beat your team of 5 "good" but not "great" players.
Edit: I see that Ninja Scooter beat me to precisely the same point. Well done.
I'm not trying to be a jerk. I'm being told there is no debating this and I'm wrong for thinking this way. It's how I feel and trying to make my point. Whatever I see there is no discussing it here. People love their Zelda. I'll take a loss.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
Bullseye.No because realistically if Sony had their own "Breath of them wild" it would have been on PS3/ps4. The distinction that the Vita was a secondary product for Sony while the Switch is Nintendo's primary product is not something you can just handwave away for the sake of trying to force some narrative about similarities between the two.
Wrong. YOU are the one who said there was no debating, and claimed that the Vita lineup was "factually" superior. And people called you out on it yet you insist on being too obtuse to wrap your head around the idea that someone could prefer one game to the Vita's entire launch lineup.
I don't agree with this, there is a ton of third party support for Vita. Sony first party support ended in 2014, and marketing for the system basically ended in 2013. Meanwhile it is 2017 and in May the Vita is getting 8+ retail releases, all from third parties.
Are we talking the same team as the Chicago Bulls now? Those teams were more than 1 great player and 4 "decent" player but I see your point. I'll back off. But it's just my opinion is all having purchased both systems at launch.
Based strictly on the number and variety of games. Maybe I wasn't clear on that. I was debating strictly under the assumption that a lineup consist plural. But I get the point.
It's absolutely fine to have an opinion that the Vita lineup was better than the Switch's. But what people are taking issue with is the rhetoric that seeks to establish that this is a proven fact backed up by SCIENCE when it's obviously just an opinion.
Don't go dissing NintendogsVita launched with Sony's biggest franchise, while the 3DS launched with no big first party games and guess which one did better.
It's absolutely fine to have an opinion that the Vita lineup was better than the Switch's. But what people are taking issue with is the rhetoric that seeks to establish that this is a proven fact backed up by SCIENCE when it's obviously just an opinion.
Why would they release a big tent pole Naughty Dog game on Vita and not PS3/PS4 though?
Why would they release a big tent pole Naughty Dog game on Vita and not PS3/PS4 though?
Nah, the hardware was the biggest thing Vita had going for it.The issues were:
-Unappealing hardware. I know i know "dat OLED". That isn't enough.
-Unappealing software. Yeah, a outstanding title like BoTW would have helped. I still think the biggest mistake Sony made during the PSP era is not establishing a musthave portable IP.
-Being in internal and external competition with PS3/PS4
Vita was the secondary fiddle for the marketing and dev teams. Which brings us to external, why would a significant amount of people buy Vita over PS3?
Quantity and variety is not equal to quality. Otherwise iOS would be the greatest gaming platform of all time.
I think you are overthinking this slightly. Most people would agree that N64 had a excellent launch lineup. It consisted of Mario 64 and Pilotwings.