Crowbcat - Gears 5 lacks weight and intensity

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I still remember his Dead Rising 1x4 video which mostly consisted of the him grabbing useless objects and praising DR1 because you need to escort NPCs while omitting the fact the AI in that game is abysmal.
Hou really have no clue about what youre talking about.

No it isn't. You're talking about Digital Foundry here, who are the LORDS of nitpicking on the minutest of the minute irrelevant stuff most don't pay attention to. Yet in their technological video, two of them, none of this is mentioned?
When it comes to AAA titles from western studios, they are just shills.
They always praise the good and ignore downgrades on physics and interactivity.
 
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But people are gonna tell me that animation and enemy reaction are 100x better in gears5, lol...
 
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So why did Digital Foundry make two 25 minute videos flossing how technologically advanced this game is, yet no mention of how backwards it went in regards to everything we've seen in crowbcat's video? Are they only about visuals? Or are they really that biased? I'm really asking here as I don't find their videos that genuine sometimes.
Digital foundry lost me when they talked about face expression and polygonal models being on the same level of the best in the market...

Old man secondary npc on gears5 (they fucking wasted even my boy baird into a bald scientist ffs)
Old man secondary npc on a 4 years old game

Female main protagonist on g5

Female secondary npc on a 4 years old game

In one game they look almost human, in the other they look like plastic dolls created by a person who doesn't even know basic human proportions...

On par, fucking lol...
 
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If you want « classic » gears levels and all shit blowing everywhere vibe, you’ll have it in act IV.
I loved this campaign , 6 won’t come soon enough.
The glitches are terrible though.
 
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I still remember his Dead Rising 1x4 video which mostly consisted of the him grabbing useless objects and praising DR1 because you need to escort NPCs while omitting the fact the AI in that game is abysmal.
lol, it's a 22 minute video, NPCs only show up after 18 minutes. Cheers, you did the thing you're salty at him about. Also, shit tier meme complaint, "buh, wuh about DR1 AI BAD", no matter what aspect of DR is being discussed or compared between entries, somebody rushes to be the first to say that. Which you also just did, when talking about a video thats purpose was to compare interactivity and reactivity. AI pathfinding spazzing out at times is really relevant to that.
 
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Digital foundry lost me when they talked about face expression and polygonal models being on the same level of the best in the market...

Old man secondary npc on gears5 (they fucking wasted even my boy baird into a bald scientist ffs)
Old man secondary npc on a 4 years old game

Female main protagonist on g5

Female secondary npc on a 4 years old game

In one game they look almost human, in the other they look like plastic dolls created by a person who doesn't even know basic human proportions...

On par, fucking lol...
Weird choice of screenshots.





This are literal photos of the game ingame, and it looks clearly superior to Uncharted 4.



This is how the characters models look in cutscenes. Again, clearly superior to Uncharted 4.
 

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Weird choice of screenshots.





This are literal photos of the game ingame, and it looks clearly superior to Uncharted 4.



This is how the characters models look in cutscenes. Again, clearly superior to Uncharted 4.
weird choice?
and old secondary npc against an old secondary npc both from cutscene, if you have a more clean photo of doc baird just post it here because i can't find anything...

how about the other confrontation between the protagonist of the game against a chara with maybe 2 hours of screentime? is that a weird choice too?

marcus is by far the best face on gears5 (with bald jd close second),i'll give you that but the rest of the cast is inconsistent at best.
and i don't think is more detailed than drake tbh
 
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different teams, different focus...Gears 5 does look kinda disapointing, is this in low/lowest settings? I've seen tons of "omg it looks so good" comments on my feed, yet it looks really bland.
 

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different teams, different focus...Gears 5 does look kinda disapointing, is this in low/lowest settings? I've seen tons of "omg it looks so good" comments on my feed, yet it looks really bland.
the art style doesn't do any favor to the graphics...
 

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That is why 60fps are bad for story modes, It makes games look like another yet online shooter with no sence of cinematic look.
30fps is the best choice for Uncharted, GeoW and other games.
I disagree. 60fps at least for me is always preferred. Not only does it look more fluid, but the controls imo are the most responsive they have ever been. Besides, I don’t think frame rate would have much to do with the sound design and intensity of the impact.
 
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That is why 60fps are bad for story modes, It makes games look like another yet online shooter with no sence of cinematic look.
30fps is the best choice for Uncharted, GeoW and other games.
Jesus christ.

I hate to say this but cmon man educate yourself
 
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The video isn’t wrong. Everything feels fake in 5 and it’s just weird. I’m enjoying my time with the game but it’s pulled me out of the experience several times.

That and I miss the dude bro essence of gears. Dudebro mixed with action horror was a great combo. Now it’s a feelydudes with chick action drama and that’s just not gears.

So it's woke, they've sacrificed the detail for fps, there's a pointless open hub world, pointless upgrading, the story wont end because it's another middle trilogy game, etc. I went all in on GOW remake (full digital version), and GOW4 ultimate edition on disc....and im not even considering buying this thing. It's another 343 Halo, basically someone elses version of gears, or basically it's fanfiction.

tldr, gears literally ended at part 3, they killed them all, this lot is all "what if?" fanfic, for corporate money.
The game could still be good even with the addon story. A lot of the time I feel like the story is a big problem with 5&4. It’s just fucking boring. Like you can make cash ins that are still good games.
 
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The sound design is not the only problem. geow2 looks heavier(because of 30fps and higher input lag) and it looks more cinematic no matter of worse technologies. Motion blur at 30fps make great job and it is more noticible at 30fps then at 60fps.
60fps are the best choice for competive, but for great single player experience I prefer GeoW 5 at true 4k 30fps with good ssr reflections, foliage with ambien occlusion and alot of high sampled motion blur.
So, e3 2018 looks great for me and I hope we will have option "4k 30fps true nextgen graphics" for ps5
Uncontested focus on 4k 60fps in nextgen would be disaster for people who love visual quality and nextgen feelings.
I don't think it was an either or, I think this team just isn't as good as the original one from Epic.
No, they pushed for 4K AND 60fps, and than you must cut out a lot cous the hardware is to weak to deliver 4K and 60fps and highly detailed graphics, you cant have them all...because of the hardware.
 
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No, they pushed for 4K AND 60fps, and than you must cut out a lot cous the hardware is to weak to deliver 4K and 60fps and highly detailed graphics, you cant have them all...because of the hardware.
It's not a native 4k. As far as I understood it DF said that the post processing effects are at 4k, while everything else is dynamic, going as low as 1500p sometimes.
 
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the orginal gears felt like R rate GI Joes fighting ugly monsters. I really do miss those simple times.....
 

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weird choice?
and old secondary npc against an old secondary npc both from cutscene, if you have a more clean photo of doc baird just post it here because i can't find anything...

how about the other confrontation between the protagonist of the game against a chara with maybe 2 hours of screentime? is that a weird choice too?

marcus is by far the best face on gears5 (with bald jd close second),i'll give you that but the rest of the cast is inconsistent at best.
and i don't think is more detailed than drake tbh
The comparison doesn't make sense anyway. One game is going for photorealism while the other is more science fiction. As for detail, the number of polygons, etc, I'd say they're about even.
 

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You just conveniently pick whatever you want to pick, we could easily play that game all day.






















Easy peasy.

At the end of the day, Gears 5 looks better. Without even taking in mind that it has double the framerate and almost double the resolution.

different teams, different focus...Gears 5 does look kinda disapointing, is this in low/lowest settings? I've seen tons of "omg it looks so good" comments on my feed, yet it looks really bland.
I just had a flashback reading your post, because this is literally what people said when Uncharted 4 released.

Isn't ironic?
 

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It's not a native 4k. As far as I understood it DF said that the post processing effects are at 4k, while everything else is dynamic, going as low as 1500p sometimes.
Really tempted of posting this thing on the df topic on era and get a glorious ban :ROFLMAO:
This game just has reaaaally bad lighting, standing under a lightbulb and the characters are super dark. I don't get why people praise this game, at least tech-wise.
 
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You just conveniently pick whatever you want to pick, we could easily play that game all day.






















Easy peasy.

At the end of the day, Gears 5 looks better. Without even taking in mind that it has double the framerate and almost double the resolution.



I just had a flashback reading your post, because this is literally what people said when Uncharted 4 released.

Isn't ironic?
Lol are you serious?
I picked similar screenshot with similar iq in similar situation with similar characters on screen...

Just accept that 4kinda (not native) and 60 fps on console with shitty hardware don't come without a lot of sacrifices and that gears is just a great looking game that doesn't blow any mind outside of xbox stans or digital fuckery and their "professionals" videos...
 
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You just conveniently pick whatever you want to pick, we could easily play that game all day.






















Easy peasy.

At the end of the day, Gears 5 looks better. Without even taking in mind that it has double the framerate and almost double the resolution.



I just had a flashback reading your post, because this is literally what people said when Uncharted 4 released.

Isn't ironic?
 

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Enough of the console warring.
Xbox games really trigger the ponies lol

CoNsPiRaCy hurrrrdurrrf
 

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Xbox games really trigger the ponies lol

CoNsPiRaCy hurrrrdurrrf
Nah, I didn't agree with DF when they were calling GoW the best looking game of 2018 either.
DF in general are just overly positive all the time, they never really criticize anything or if there's something that isn't so great they try their hardest to make it sound impressive.
 
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Nah, I didn't agree with DF when they were calling GoW the best looking game of 2018 either.
DF in general are just overly positive all the time, they never really criticize anything or if there's something that isn't so great they try their hardest to make it sound impressive.
DF just wants clicks I guess.
 
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Gears of War 2 was so very good. Almost too good.

Gears of 5's action doesn't look bad, it just doesn't meet the high bar set by its predecessors.
 
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60 frame are always better (and that's why i have a beefy pc) but console can't do that with shitty hardware and without sacrifices.

In an ideal world, there is no console gaming and everything is on pc...
 

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I'm coming here from the prospective as someone that hasn't played any GoW but found the video interesting. Some of the complaints are a miss. Excessive camera shakes for the sake of making the gun feel heavier is annoying as fuck. I am also glad that the industry moved from having gray/brown games too.
The rest of the complaints are fair. Especially the destructible environments.
 
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Its ridiculous games from 10 years ago have more thought and details than newer games.

This comparison vid is so spot on, I understand why Gears 5 is so boring and easy
 
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I've been reading blurbusters.com articles for a long time, so my education level(in terms of framerate/hertz/motion resolution analysis) is enough.
Can you say same about yourself?
Yes, because your "observation" about 60fps being bad for sp games is something only a moron would say.

Maybe you have a problem with your eyes or something
 
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I dont understand why people are having a pissing contest in this thread.

The video clearly shows the animation and fx work is more intense and has more impact in GoW 2 than in 5. I can see this plain as day and I hate GoW no matter console. What is there to fight about.
 

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Lol are you serious?
I picked similar screenshot with similar iq in similar situation with similar characters on screen...

Just accept that 4kinda (not native) and 60 fps on console with shitty hardware don't come without a lot of sacrifices and that gears is just a great looking game that doesn't blow any mind outside of xbox stans or digital fuckery and their "professionals" videos...
lol

The funny thing is that you are serious.

You just have to accept that Gears 5 is graphically better than Uncharted 4 while at the same time doubling it in resolution and fps. Both the PS4 and the Xbox One are shitty hardware, so at the end of the day depends on the sacrifices and the quality of the work the developers do, and oh boy, The Coalition have delivered a freaking gem of a game that already beats the Sony exclusives while also making less sacrifices that those Sony exclusives do (60 fps, almost double the resolution, the best implementation of HDR to date, espectacular image quality...).

It's okay, you just have to wait till The Last Of Us II.
 

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I'm coming here from the prospective as someone that hasn't played any GoW but found the video interesting. Some of the complaints are a miss. Excessive camera shakes for the sake of making the gun feel heavier is annoying as fuck. I am also glad that the industry moved from having gray/brown games too.
The rest of the complaints are fair. Especially the destructible environments.
Things can have color and you can have flowers and bright leaves, etc. and still have a dark game.... Gears of War 1 and 2 basically nailed the destroyed beauty they were going for. Since then, to me they went into a very generic art design direction. Gears of War was actually more going towards the semi-horror game during development.

 

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lol

The funny thing is that you are serious.

You just have to accept that Gears 5 is graphically better than Uncharted 4 while at the same time doubling it in resolution and fps. Both the PS4 and the Xbox One are shitty hardware, so at the end of the day depends on the sacrifices and the quality of the work the developers do, and oh boy, The Coalition have delivered a freaking gem of a game that already beats the Sony exclusives while also making less sacrifices that those Sony exclusives do (60 fps, almost double the resolution, the best implementation of HDR to date, espectacular image quality...).

It's okay, you just have to wait till The Last Of Us II.
Agree to disagree my friend, but hey if you like human models that looks like plastic dolls with the ugliest art style ever and you realistically think that 4k60 doesn't come with huge sacrifices on console, who am i to criticize other peoples tastes or wrong ideas?

And i really don't have to wait for nothing because there is already a shitload of games that looks better than gears5:messenger_beaming:
 
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I'm enjoying gears 5. Yeh it is different from the first 3 but it couldn't stay the same it needed to evolve, besides I can't complain I get to play it early for £1 :messenger_tears_of_joy:


Not sure if the fanboy posts are satire or not I think my sarcasm detector is faulty.
 
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Gears 2 made character movement kinda more limber but most of the more agile movement happened in Gears 3 mostly. People kept bitching about how slow character movement felt in Gears 1 and 2 so Epic made character movement much more limber. I remember the devs talking about it when Gears 3 was at E3. That's also when they put in the quick dodge animations.

The animations to get into cover, roadie run and out of roadie run are much shorter in gears 3 than gears 1 and 2. As well as the turning animations while standing.

People used to bitch that character movement felt "too tanky" in early Gears and that's why they changed it. That's a big part of the reason why people say it "lacks weight". So I don't blame em cause it's a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" thing. 🤷‍♀️ 🤷‍♀️ 🤷‍♀️

The sound design changes on weapons is boggling but that's not a Gears 5 exclusive thing, the lancer and other weapons sounded muffled in Gears 3 as well.

All the guns in Gears 2 sounded LOUD. I prefer the way Gears 2 weapons sounded as well but like I said earlier that started in Gears 3.
Well I guess I'll never know because the fucking shit that is 360 region account management means I can't activate the keys. I wasted the whole fucking afternoon trying to unfuck this shit and ended up getting a refund. I'm mad as hell and I hope Gears and Microsoft burn in hell forever.

I DIDN'T EVEN LIKE GEARS 4 :messenger_pouting::messenger_pouting::messenger_pouting::messenger_pouting::messenger_pouting::messenger_pouting::messenger_pouting::messenger_pouting::messenger_pouting::messenger_pouting:
 

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Agree to disagree my friend, but hey if you like human models that looks like plastic dolls
Dude, have you looked at the screenshot of Sully you posted? He looks like a plastic doll; blurry and cartoony.

Apart from the obviously different worlds both games are set in, the characters in Uncharted don't look more human than the ones in Gears.

with the ugliest art style ever
We are not talking about Horizon Zero Dawn here.

and you realistically think that 4k60 doesn't come with huge sacrifices on console
Every game ever is made with sacrifices and compromises. But again, the funny thing here is that Gears 5 looks better than any Sony exclusive while at the same time having made less sacrifices. There's no 30 fps here, there are no horizontal black bars occupying 30% of the screen, there is no 1440p dynamic resolution.

I'm sorry you have to deflect and cope in this manner because of the game. Again, you just have to wait till The Last of Us II is released.
 

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Dude, have you looked at the screenshot of Sully you posted? He looks like a plastic doll; blurry and cartoony.

Apart from the obviously different worlds both games are set in, the characters in Uncharted don't look more human than the ones in Gears.



We are not talking about Horizon Zero Dawn here.



Every game ever is made with sacrifices and compromises. But again, the funny thing here is that Gears 5 looks better than any Sony exclusive while at the same time having made less sacrifices. There's no 30 fps here, there are no horizontal black bars occupying 30% of the screen, there is no 1440p dynamic resolution.

I'm sorry you have to deflect and cope in this manner because of the game. Again, you just have to wait till The Last of Us II is released.
Horizon worst art style than gears saga?

Now i really heard everything and i can die peacefully...

And i don't really have to cope for everything, i have every console at home and i play the fuck i want from any devs and publishers, i'm playing gears of doll right now on my pc you know?!
 
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