Ol No Bones
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They just can't win with gaf can they. Ms sucks it not powerful. Ms is stupid their box is too powerful.
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CVG: Microsoft's next-Xbox silence at GDC a "disastrous mistake"
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shinobi602
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They're not saying to announce the actual console at GDC. They're talking about maybe touching upon some of the technology and philosophy behind it, or what devs will be able to do with it, etc.
Tummi Gummi
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But they have an obvious reason for not showing stuff at this particular point in time. What I mean is, it's not unusual for first parties to be relatively thin on the ground at GDC is it?
SuperSonic1305
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Alx
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There is more to kinect than "flapping your arms", and you can already use it from your comfy couch.
(and physical exercise isn't a bad way to end a tiring day actually... endorphins and all).
Haha indeed. You reach dem kids through youtube and Facebook now.
Right now I don't think it's a big deal since most 3rd parties are going to release their titles on both next-gen consoles anyway. But Microsoft is not doing themselves any favors by not by not having a presence or giving devs reasons to be excited to develop for their system, especially when they won't have same advantages in this generation.
Yeah i have said the same for a while now although both consoles will be close in power anyway regardless of which console has the edge.
Thats the exact vibe I get from this article TBH.
"Waaaaah, show it to us now!"
The idea of a non appearance at GDC being the major dealbreaking straw that collapses the camels back on Microsofts soon to be revealed next gen console is absurd. I understand their frustration and desire to see whats next from MS, but they are reeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaally stretching the gravity of this.
Iacobellis
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It isn't 2005 anymore, people don't huddle around their TV or check the computer for news. Microsoft could send invitations to major gaming/tech sites a week or two prior to the event à la Apple and bank on those companies to spread the word. Twitter, Facebook, etc..
Hybrid games more than likely wouldn't require a person to get up and "flap his arms".
On top of that, the kinect features will more than likely be optional in those games. I can't see them making big budget AAA games in which people are forced to not play with a traditional controller.
Who cares.
The current gen systems are vastly different in architecture and component make-up. You had Cell vs Xenos, Blu-Ray (making up a huge chunk of the cost) etc.
The new systems have essentially the same architecture. The have the same CPU, the same Blu-Ray drive, and the only difference really is the PS4's extra GPU muscle and faster memory. The GPU's are even based on the same architecture. This is an apples to apples comparison for the first time. Comparing to what people said about PS3/360 is lol-worthy because those comparisons were lol-worthy to begin with. Welcome to the Mark Cerny era, son.
Syphon Filter
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um people check their computer for news all the time...
I agree that it's a mistake not showing it but I also think if they did announce it there, it'd also be a mistake. They need to have an event like Sony did and they need to announce it weeks/a month before to build up hype and excitement. They need to announce it soon or they will definitely be in trouble.
TalesOfWin
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-Pyromaniac-
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Developers are probably frustrated they can't just speak openly about next generation when it comes to the next xbox but overall I doubt it's making any difference.
Could you imagine the backlash if they tried to make COD or Halo Kinect only lol, even Microsoft are not that dumb!.
Ol No Bones
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Ms will let them know what they need to know. I am convinced they are so tighter lipped because they probably have things they don't want their competition to know about.
Syphon Filter
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We'll see.
I'm sorry, I just found your commitment humorous. Let me guess though, the public don't give a crap about GDC, but E3 is all the rave? Right?
There will be several thousand attendee's at GDC, and all the gaming and even a lot of the non gaming media there. GDC is HUGE. At one point it was even pipped to being the new E3 (when E3 decided to downscale and started getting too costly, obviously in recent years that reversed somewhat). You only have to look at some of the massive conferences, shows, reveals, demo's etc coined at GDC events over the years to recognise how poignant the event is.
Youtube game video's of new releases and often they're categorised by "GDC 2011 trailer" or "E3 2011 trailer". GDC is massive, and you thinking consumers don't give a crap about it is impressively naive.
Baconsammy
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It amuses me that people think Microsoft will make Kinect motion controls a mandatory thing. As if they didn't witness first-hand what happened to Nintendo and the Wii. They best way to chase off the third parties is to force a gimmicky control scheme on them. They're not going to do that, despite the number of people wishing they'd be dumb enough to do it. And if they are that dumb, they deserve all the pain that will follow.
No, they don't give a shit about E3 either. If they did, they'd have known the Vita was a thing. They'd have known the Wii U wasn't a controller add-on for the Wii. Know why they didn't know? Because they didn't care. They care when its released.
ThisWreckage
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Even hybrid Kinect integration is going to be a failure. Most hardcore gamers showed that they hated the Kinect and that's who picks up consoles first.
shinobi602
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I do this on a daily basis >__>
Iacobellis
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What I mean is that in 2005, if you were out somewhere, chances are you most likely didn't have a smartphone, let alone Internet access on your phone. How would you know Microsoft unveiled a new console? Nowadays, you can check Twitter or whatever social network you prefer no matter where you are and see what the 720/Durango/8/Infinity is.
I should have clarified the original post better.
I don't think its about being able to see it. Its a conference for developers. Not touting your new hardware at the biggest developer conference when release is ~9 months away seems like a bad idea. Support is more important than trying to announce "at the right time".
Ol No Bones
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If they release in the same year I bet they will be capable of the same graphics or very very close. People who are convinced that the Xbox will suck on the hardware end are engaging in wishful thinking I believe.
shinobi602
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Read the article again, they're not saying Microsoft should announce it at GDC.
Yeah it was a pretty random comment that, even news on the tv has high ratings for their time slots.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Because CVG don't get the hits.
The mistake you're making is thinking simply announcing something at E3/GDC automatically means good sales or coverage. It doesn't. It can have as much negative coverage as it can positive. Ultimately it's up to media and consumers to decide if what was announced has value proposition. THAT is where the Vita failed. Many people (including myself) just aren't interested.
Great post.
Ultimately though I still think it all comes down to that first killer app for next Christmas (2k14) and that will likely be the leader of this generation.
Baconsammy
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It doesn't matter. The only thing it's doing right now is keeping devs from speaking publicly about what they're working on. You saw lots of that from devs after the PS4 announcement. "Phewww we can finally talk about our game(s)". Not, "Phewww we can finally start working on a next gen game!". There were some key absentees though, like Bethesda who hinted that they still cant talk about what's next. The implication being that it's tied closely to whatever Microsoft is doing.
NemesisPrime
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Hahaha.... made my day.
Idiots everywhere it seems.
Ol No Bones
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Ms can give devs the info they need to get excited about without being at the conference. People just want leaks.
Most of that was a joke obviously. Software and OS implementation is really the only thing subject to major change at this point (and in Sony and MS' case they won't even be final until years after launch). I'm just laughing because you apparently think everything has gone according to some grand scheme at Sony. Chances are that MS had plans made 6 months ago and didn't feel like they needed to react (or they weren't ready to push things forward).
Has little bearing on launch sales. Whatever the truth is will definitely matter, but price is the biggest launch barrier
ThisWreckage
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That can go both ways. I don't work for Microsoft so I don't know what is going on there. Apparently the Sony unveil surprised some people at Microsoft. I remember reading that somewhere. It could be simply that they're not ready to show their console. I don't know. But it's funny how Sony and Microsoft have switched places from six months ago. Six months ago people were speculating that the PS4 might not come out in 2013 and they would be unveiling last because of their PS3 software line up. The exact opposite has happened.
Good point, but I wonder how much of a difference in the course of their marketing campaign a month makes. Devs probably want that, but I also bet they could use all the time in the world to prep their public demos for use at both the reveal and E3 so they look as good as can be.
Perhaps it has dawned on MS that the choices they made could have been better.
Windows 8 and Surface are a disaster.
Wii U a catastrophic bomb.
If the digital dna and philosophy of Durango is somewhat inspired by these things MS is putting itself behind the 8-ball.
Windows 8 and Surface are a disaster.
Wii U a catastrophic bomb.
If the digital dna and philosophy of Durango is somewhat inspired by these things MS is putting itself behind the 8-ball.
ChimpanzeeThat
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Hopefully they'll have another Usher concert, or maybe another Cirque du Soleil performance.
Decent comprehension seems a difficult undertaking
That is the entire point of the article from what i can tell - albeit poorly articulated
Those devs that are already engaged with MS, sure.
But there are hundreds of smaller devs that find GDC invaluable for discussions about platforms and programming approaches. MS are basically saying those guys can wait
Karak
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It doesn't. At all. Many journalists are game fans as well and thus frustrated that they can't report real news yet.
Back in February I was sure they would announce before GDC.
I do think it's a missed opportunity. It's nothing to do with advertising or "mindshare", but allowing the biggest developer gathering of the year to openly discuss your platform without fear of a lawsuit seems like a desirable thing to me /shrug.
Aaaaanyway. MS has a strategy and it's going to be fun to watch it play out this year.
I do think it's a missed opportunity. It's nothing to do with advertising or "mindshare", but allowing the biggest developer gathering of the year to openly discuss your platform without fear of a lawsuit seems like a desirable thing to me /shrug.
Aaaaanyway. MS has a strategy and it's going to be fun to watch it play out this year.
Terrible article anyone who is interested in developing for next xbox (and is relevant) already has devkits and documentation
To suggest that you need to fly half way round the world to somehow 'reveal' somethng to developers who already know about it is laughable
Typical article from press who are attending a games developers conference looking for news
To suggest that you need to fly half way round the world to somehow 'reveal' somethng to developers who already know about it is laughable
Typical article from press who are attending a games developers conference looking for news