Exactly. It's another datapoint. Put it together with other things like why The Witness is PS4 -- Sony is giving out devkits while MS hasn't even briefed indy devs that there will be a console.
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CVG: Microsoft's next-Xbox silence at GDC a "disastrous mistake"
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Exactly. It's another datapoint. Put it together with other things like why The Witness is PS4 -- Sony is giving out devkits while MS hasn't even briefed indy devs that there will be a console.
Totally...next gen will be much like this one...with the exception of Wii U selling gangbusters like Wii.
Yep.
NemesisPrime
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Comedy gold...
I think Sony nailed the reveal with the timing, info, and content to show. It lacked any huge surprises, but for the typical core gamer, I think it served it's purpose.
I think that some at GAF and in the industry feel that MS now "needs" to respond to Sony's reveal with their own, when that's not really the case. It would be best for MS to do what they always planned to do because the moment you allow a competitor to control how you run your business and plans, that's the moment they have the advantage.
Edit:
My bet is disaster.
;p
Baconsammy
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Which orifice did you pull that nugget from?
It's not early at all. Really don't get where this mindset comes from.
Probably the interview with Blow when he said that.
CamHostage
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Their not having (or possibly not having?) a dedicated room and conference to talk with select developers about the next Xbox could be a failure point, but realistically, the box itself is not the challenge anymore, the tough part of making games is the game-making part. All Microsoft has to do is give a thumbs-up to UE4 and CryEngine 3 to market themselves as "fully next-gen compatible", then make sure its Kinect2 and other special features are as easy to plug in as possible. The developers that they care about in that first year, they've already talked with Microsoft ages ago about the new box, and the little guys trying to get a foot on the system, they A. are sadly not a priority (though Sony did in the past court these guys and made them stars, back when you needed more than middleware licenses and an idea to make a game,) and B. likely don't have projects so big in scope yet so divergent in technology that they can't join the 720 train down the line still before the market is flooded.
I'm not sure what Sony has gotten out of its early announcement that Microsoft can't catch up on. Sure, they've dominated the conversation cycle for a few months, that's major, but if we're talking technology and development edge, Sony didn't all the sudden open up all discussions on PS4 support with developers (the way they do after say an E3 unveil, when a dev knows they can call and waitlist to get a kit) and there's not a lot in its toolkit that was new or was open to developers (no word on Gakai integration, the touchpad was on the dev box, and that Share button is neat but do you need to do anything to program for it?) Microsoft should get out there with its product plan if it's launching this year, and it should really get the larger developer community involved as soon as it can, but Sony's head-start is only on the public level, privately developers do seem to be at least as up on 720 knowledge as they are on PS4 knowledge.
I'm not sure what Sony has gotten out of its early announcement that Microsoft can't catch up on. Sure, they've dominated the conversation cycle for a few months, that's major, but if we're talking technology and development edge, Sony didn't all the sudden open up all discussions on PS4 support with developers (the way they do after say an E3 unveil, when a dev knows they can call and waitlist to get a kit) and there's not a lot in its toolkit that was new or was open to developers (no word on Gakai integration, the touchpad was on the dev box, and that Share button is neat but do you need to do anything to program for it?) Microsoft should get out there with its product plan if it's launching this year, and it should really get the larger developer community involved as soon as it can, but Sony's head-start is only on the public level, privately developers do seem to be at least as up on 720 knowledge as they are on PS4 knowledge.
Welcome to the internet =p
Karak
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At least when it comes to initial contact, I think that perhaps people don't realize how devs, even indie devs, contact or are contacted by console manufacturers. And it isn't a outside picnic table set up at GDC with a bunch of folders and you just come and sign your name. It is the same tried and true system of contact, handler, NDA signing, dev docs shipped, it has always been. Regardless of any GDC or major event.
Not removing the importance of a talking head discussion of course.
Baconsammy
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Blow didnt say that. He said no one gave him anything, and he didnt ask for one, so he didn't have one. He wasn't refused one.
Oh it will blow your mind alright.
He made a series of points, seems a rather silly way to devolve his perspective there.
Most people know though that there is an accumulated value to buzz that precedes any particular systems launch. We saw with Wii U, there was a decided difference in pre-release hype compared to Wii. Many people didn't want to believe it, but from websites to mass market news reports, there was a definite change in the way people felt about the new Nintendo system.
From a similar perspective, you may be right that ONE individual report means nothing in the long run; the world, as you succinctly put it, does not revolve around us. Nonetheless, that does not make one unable to make fairly wisdom-based observations based on the way the overall buzz is for a system, which certainly includes this CVG article. And I think it's a fair assessment to say a lot of this pre-release buzz, in contrast to that of PS4, is pretty negative at the moment for a lot of reasons. Now how much of it will be true or not at the end of the day is beyond most of us to tell, but what isn't beyond most of us is the ability to assess whether or not this harsh pre-reveal buzz is going to damage the start of Durango's life. Whether the prediction is right or wrong is besides the point, because all discussions such as this are basically people's individual interpretation of events.
Please stop.
Thats because all those developers already have NextBox kits.
That person is a dev though...
googleplex
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Yeah sorry but no. The Wii U is in the same generation at PS3 and 360.
Shalashaska161
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GDC isn't a good event to reveal Durango anyways. It's not a trade show like e3.
I'm not sure why MS is keeping the next Xbox so close to their chest though. I guess they are worried about hurting 360 sales but it's approaching the point where it's becoming a bit awkward for those of us who watch the industry closely. Seeing everyone tip toe around mentioning it exists is sort of silly.
I'm not sure why MS is keeping the next Xbox so close to their chest though. I guess they are worried about hurting 360 sales but it's approaching the point where it's becoming a bit awkward for those of us who watch the industry closely. Seeing everyone tip toe around mentioning it exists is sort of silly.
Cerebral Assassin
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Wasn't there a recent tweet from Notch implying that he was familiar with Durango?
Wii U isn't using DX9 variant APIs.
They're saying they shouldn't? I read the article as they didn't announce it and it was a mistake not to.
Syphon Filter
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no wiiu is next generation,it may not be on par but it is nintendos latest system.
Dennis Dyack was a developer as well and an ex-GAF member. People's behaviour is best left untied with their profile data.
But they can't say anything about what they are doing if the game is set to launch on the NextBox. The biggest issue is that devs can't talk about the awesome stuff they are working on for the system because as far as Microsoft's concerned, the system doesn't exist until they confirm it does.
? Is being a dev synonymous to omnipotence?
Yes, Blow did.
Neither I nor the post you quoted said anything about him being refused one. The quote said nothing about if he even asked or anything.
Really don't know what you're talking about.
Baconsammy
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Please don't turn this into another "is Wii U next-gen or not" thread. Please please please no more.
You used Blow as an example to back up someone else's claim that indies know nothing about the next Xbox. That's bullshit. Pure and utter bullshit. Blow not being interested enough in it to get one isn't proof that others haven't as well.
You used Blow as an example to back up someone else's claim that indies know nothing about the next Xbox. That's bullshit. Pure and utter bullshit. Blow not being interested enough in it to get one isn't proof that others haven't as well.
Doesn't mean much. He's a dev who focuses mainly on the mobile side of things, and on Microsoft platforms too for the record. No idea if he's done any work for Sony, he certainly hasn't mentioned it.
I'd imagine Microsft's platform will be more favourable to mobile platform devs, since I'm confident they'll announce cross platform Windows apps for Durango etc.
Zoe
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They're saying it should have already been announced so that MS and those who are already on board could openly interact with developers about it at the conference.
Nealand Liquor
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This may end up being some really smart marketing on MS's behalf. Just consider how much press and top of mind presence they are receiving simply due to their silence alone. I don't remember any company getting this much coverage for not saying anything at all.
Sho_Nuff82
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Considering we've already seen several 3rd party games that are in development for the platform (Witcher, Star Wars, Thief, Battlefield, Destiny, Watch Dogs, Diablo, Metal Gear), it's pretty safe to say that developers are already "in the know", we consumers are the only ones really being kept in the dark for some reason.
not_so_special
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without bands and singers there is no music
He's also a poster whose bias has been called out and exposed on occasion.
Alx
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They can't say anything about NextBox-specific features, but there are probably many things they can talk about in that conference : level design, rendering techniques, AI algorithms, project management,... you know, game developer stuff.
That isn't shocking at all.
Tripp Daily
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Are there not a couple of rumors out there like this? In the back of my mind I can't help but think that they are holding out on announcing because they want the time between the announcement and the release to be as short as possible. I think this is an area where Nintendo botched the Wii U (too much dead time b/w the announcement and the release).
What, a developer of mud slinging drive-by posts and pot stirring one liners?
So what exactly was your point in pointing him out as a "developer"?
He/She seems confident about what we're hearing about Durango. Maybe, just maybe it's not as bad as what some (And sometimes myself) are making it out to be?
His post had nothing to do with that. He lol'd at the notion of the PS4 building hype.
Cerebral Assassin
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People with jobs usually do as their boss requests (Are you actually trying to argue that random developers have more say on what titles are being made by Activision than Bobby Kotick?).
If that was the case, we would have heard something about it. Third parties have yet to confirm that multi-platform games are actually on the NextBox. Watch_Dogs and Destiny are prime examples. Microsoft is most likely telling devs to not say games are on their next-gen box until the new console is announced.