Nice, two copies of this game please! Wha a legend.
Cyberpunk 2077 has come under criticism for its representation of Gender and Race. Cyberpunk 2020 creator Mike Pondsmith took to Reddit to respond to the critics...
The new demo walkthrough thing they showed at E3 had you killing 2 black gangs. No one had a problem with the first gameplay walkthrough where you killed a load of white people of course.what even were the critisms to begin with? What's he responding to?
The new demo walkthrough thing they showed at E3 had you killing 2 black gangs. No one had a problem with the first gameplay walkthrough where you killed a load of white people of course.
Yes that is true but it’s also an issue that white, college educated white males with zero life experience seem to be the loudest and most vocal “representation” for blacks and minorities.... that’s not right, IMO.Much as I love Mike, his tone, his straightforwardness, his willingness to face the mob, some of what he wrote is dangerously on the fence of stating only black people have the legitimacy to discuss the problems black people face. It's far left-wing logic applied to deliver a non-far left wing message.
The validity of an argument does not depend upon the person making it. Just because it is Mike saying it, it's not automatically true, nor automatically false. The same would apply to any other black person, white person, trans person passing comment on these issues.
If truth is the ultimate goal and rationality the way to get there, anybody, African Americans, Asians, Eskimos, they all have the ability to put forward rational arguments, all competing in the open marketplace of ideas.
There's also irony in here. Mods of the other forum were quick to point out this is Mike's opinion and that there are other black people who have a different take. This had never occurred to them till now. Before it was convenient to let hang in the air the ideia all black people, all tarns people, all gay people think the same. I suppose this is progress.
But the point still holds.
It is categorically false that only black people have the ability and the legitimacy to talk about problems they face at large. The same would be true regarding any other community.
Arguments stand or fall on their merits, not on who happens to be making them.
And that's it.
Anyone can discuss anything they want, but ultimately if we are talking about the rights or portrayal of a specific group of people, it's up to that group to decide how they feel about it.Much as I love Mike, his tone, his straightforwardness, his willingness to face the mob, some of what he wrote is dangerously on the fence of stating only black people have the legitimacy to discuss the problems black people face. It's far left-wing logic applied to deliver a non-far left wing message.
The validity of an argument does not depend upon the person making it. Just because it is Mike saying it, it's not automatically true, nor automatically false. The same would apply to any other black person, white person, trans person passing comment on these issues.
If truth is the ultimate goal and rationality the way to get there, anybody, African Americans, Asians, Eskimos, they all have the ability to put forward rational arguments, all competing in the open marketplace of ideas.
There's also irony in here. Mods of the other forum were quick to point out this is Mike's opinion and that there are other black people who have a different take. This had never occurred to them till now. Before it was convenient to let hang in the air the ideia all black people, all tarns people, all gay people think the same. I suppose this is progress.
But the point still holds.
It is categorically false that only black people have the ability and the legitimacy to talk about problems they face at large. The same would be true regarding any other community.
Arguments stand or fall on their merits, not on who happens to be making them.
And that's it.
It's time we stand up to those assholes actually.I hope people don't go parading this quote around all over the SJW internet to rub their faces in it.
Maybe Mike would like that or maybe he wouldn't, but it's enough to me that he said it and made clear what he thinks. There's no reason to attract the SJW lynch mob to go after him.
Yes that is true but it’s also an issue that white, college educated white males with zero life experience seem to be the loudest and most vocal “representation” for blacks and minorities.... that’s not right, IMO.
Was genuinely hyped for this game until Keanu showed up. Now I want the receipts. Gameplay footage is required before I care, they can play into the anti-SJW thing all they want, I need to see gameplay footage for the first time in the half decade this shit has been hyped.
you sure? Everything I’ve seen is cinematic.There's like 48 minutes of gameplay relaesed already.
100% sure. After last year's gamescom.you sure? Everything I’ve seen is cinematic.
He's sure.you sure
He didn't do so because he'd never heard of her.... Maybe?I wish he would have followed that up with "5) And WHO THE FUCK IS Anita Sarkeesian?"
Yes, you're absolutely right. But is it time that we force someone to stand up to them just because he made a post on a message board full of like minded people?It's time we stand up to those assholes actually.
I agree with that. I mean, I think he was going against them directly, but it's his call on how far he takes it.Yes, you're absolutely right. But is it time that we force someone to stand up to them just because he made a post on a message board full of like minded people?
If he chose to go at them directly, I'd back that 100%. That's not what he did.
Law enforcement and videogame development are two different things. I agree that the inclusion of ethnic minorities in the business of making and enforcing laws is nothing but a good thing.Not considering ethnicity may sound good in theory, but irl, if you want results, it has to be part of the equation. And that includes deliberately hiring and including representatives of minorities when it comes to creating and enforcing laws that affect them. Maybe one day we will be at the point where people don't see race ( it is a fictional construct after-all), but that day isn't today.
I have very limited experience of this because I live in Ireland and police (gardai) are not armed, my closest friends are from Uganda and Nigeria and they seem to do quite well. It helps that we never had slavery here, I guess. My wife is Brazilian though and has experienced some bigotry, an old woman telling her to go back to her country...You speak the truth.
Also, historically in America, laws were made by only white men, courts entirely staffed by white men, and enforced by white male cops, including in communities that were almost completely non-white. It created a lot of justified anger and it did not work. E.g., Los Angeles policing was borderline evil until Rodney King and the riots caused a rethink. Basically, hiring members of the communities being policed and de-emphasising para-military nature of the force (us vs them, they are the enemy) made the city safer and happier.
Not considering ethnicity may sound good in theory, but irl, if you want results, it has to be part of the equation. And that includes deliberately hiring and including representatives of minorities when it comes to creating and enforcing laws that affect them. Maybe one day we will be at the point where people don't see race ( it is a fictional construct after-all), but that day isn't today.
Exactly, as long as they deliver believable characters that the majority straight white audience can relate to, I don't care what skin color/gender the developer has.But videogames? Or any other creative endeavour for that matter? What great benefit is there that minorities should be included?
You speak the truth.
Also, historically in America, laws were made by only white men, courts entirely staffed by white men, and enforced by white male cops, including in communities that were almost completely non-white. It created a lot of justified anger and it did not work. E.g., Los Angeles policing was borderline evil until Rodney King and the riots caused a rethink. Basically, hiring members of the communities being policed and de-emphasising para-military nature of the force (us vs them, they are the enemy) made the city safer and happier.
Not considering ethnicity may sound good in theory,
but irl, if you want results,
it has to be part of the equation.
And that includes deliberately hiring and including representatives of minorities
when it comes to creating and enforcing laws that affect them. Maybe one day we will be at the point where people don't see race ( it is a fictional construct after-all), but that day isn't today.
Anyone can discuss anything they want, but ultimately if we are talking about the rights or portrayal of a specific group of people, it's up to that group to decide how they feel about it.