lovely ladies
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Is Cyborg cool now or something? He was in the New 52 JLA, he was featured in Injustice... I don't think I remember him being a big character in the DC universe a few years ago (or before the big reboot at least).
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Cyborg Cast for Man of Steel Sequel
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Father_Brain
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I don't know if there's room for a full-on origin story, but if she's appearing in costume, her backstory really does need to be explained in some fashion. Even if it's just a flashback montage or an expository speech.
bigboss370
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so this movie is gonna be Superman going on a recruitment mission like mass effect 2 I imagine.
Razgriz-Specter
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They have been pushing him hard since right before the New 52 reboot.
Before he was just a Teen Titan really
Wasn't Spider-Man 2 just doc oc?
Could even be a post credits scene for all we know
bigboss370
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You need Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, The Flash, and Green Lantern before anyone else.
How are they announcing Cyborg already?
How are they announcing Cyborg already?
Delta Assault
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Father_Brain
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Maybe various solo and/or team films, maybe just Justice League 2, we'll see.
My argument is that WB doesn't think superhero IP other than the World's Finest are a sufficient box-office draw to carry films, not that they see said IP as actively repelling audiences.
lovely ladies
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Ah ok, yeah, it seems like there's been an effort to elevate him somewhat.
They have so many more qualified and interesting black characters, but totally a discussion for a different day
BadAss2961
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He tried to single out superhero fans as if only they're guilty of this.
Aside from books, I don't think the average consumer gives a shit who makes the movies/games/tv shows.
There are people that bought the Walking Dead: Survival Instinct because "it's the guys that made CoD making a Walking Dead game!"
We don't know that it's full-on Cyborg and not just Victor Stone, suggesting the character's existence.
There's no reason Martian Manhunter has to be part of the team.
There's no reason Flash or Green Lantern can't appear first in Justice League (or in Flash's case, be the same character from the TV show)
BadAss2961
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But how do you know this? They're two movies into the universe.
Give it a chance to breathe.
you forgot MJ
OneEyedKing
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I think throughout the movie there will be one-scene cameos for the ones that will appear in Justice League (so Cyborg, Flash, Green Lantern, and maybe Aquaman or Martian Manhunter) just so we know what's coming and who will be in it. Since WB didn't make the Cyborg announcement and aren't commenting on it I'm guessing they didn't want this to be revealed since the cameos would have been a surprise
Like I said, Static or Vixen would have been better choices. There's also Mr. Terrific, Black Lightning (or one of his daughters), Steel, or Firestorm (well...half of Firestorm).
We're talking about superhero comics in a thread about a superhero movie. It's not so much "singling out" as it's "staying on topic."
Razgriz-Specter
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Batman's has been shown/coverd in games, multiple cartoon series and covered briefly and extensively in at least 2 movies in the last 20 years(Begins only 9 years ago).
Superman had 1 cartoon in the 90's, Smallville which wasn't a big deal and Returns which underperformed.
Father_Brain
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I don't know this for a fact, obviously; we just clearly disagree on how much benefit of the doubt WB has earned here.
The NYT reported in their Kevin Tsujihara profile that there are more DCU film announcements planned soon, so we should know more by SDCC. Could just be Superman/Batman's actual title and confirmation of a JL sequel, could be something much more ambitious. We'll see.
Razgriz-Specter
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Probably an update on Flash it was talked about for 2016 but its been silent since Batman/Superman got pushed into 2016 as well.
Jorok Goldblade
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Actually, with the way this movie is shaping up, I could see it as a very loose adaptation of Superman/Batman: Public Enemies, with Batman starting out on Lex's side rather than sticking with Clark throughout the whole movie. Using that mold, they could fit all the heroes and villains they want in a cameo capacity without overloading the film.
Wonder Woman, sure. But we don't know how she'll be used in this movie, and Gal Gadot is atleast contracted for a solo movie.
But Cyborg? Dude sounds like he's a cameo appearance at most just to set him up for future movies (it's even suggested so by the press release), and it's not like he even has his own book. Why would he get his own movie?
BadAss2961
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Nah... Cyborg's the best and most relevant fit. He can also translate to film well.
Cyborg probably rules out John Stewart -- you know how it goes... Especially if J'onn ends up in this universe... And then there's The Rock who's part black.
They're gonna pull a reversed Avengers; first the assembled movie, and then everyone gets a solo-movie; Batman, Superman, Green Lantern, Green Arrow, Cyborg, Nightwing, Joker, Lex Luthor, Croc, Zod, Aquaman, Deathstroke, Deadshot, Bronze Tiger, Batman Beyond, Flash... EVERYONE.
except Wonder Woman, because it's too over the top for a mainstream audience
SilentSoldier
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I'd like for his show to come back too. It was quite good, and actually part of the DCAU as well. I'd just like the DCAU to come back.
As for Cyborg and the Superman Batman movie. I'll concede that there have been ensemble movies done well before. I just wish that they'd be confident to give these other DC heroes their chance to shine in stand alone movies away from Superman and Batman.
Jorok Goldblade
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He's been a focus character. He's a non-white character who doesn't borrow his legacy from a pre-existing character, had some decent visibility from the Teen Titans cartoon, has powers that fill a unique niche in the JLA, and most importantly, he's one of Geoff Johns' favorites.
I am pretty sure he mentions trying to kill himself and feeling super guilty which is why he focused on helping people.
I hope we see some of that in World's Finest with Superman. He has to be feeling some sort of guilt after making Metropolis look like it was hit by a 10.0 earthquake.
bigboss370
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that wasn't him, it was the world engine. And it was a great way to show a legitimate alien threat, not that weak sauce that Avengers showed.
l Zealot l
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Instead of been innovative lets just rush a copy and hope for equal or greater success/profits.
Pop
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Well Cyborg was hinted in Man of Steel. I suppose he's already in Metropolis.
Is there an innovative way to do this? So far, all the suggestions for what WB should be doing boil down to "do what Marvel did."
But people like Teen Titans Cyborg, not Justice League Cyborg.
l Zealot l
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I suppose. I just think it's funny when studios/company's see something take off and just make clones trying to profit from it's success, most of the time they come of as bad and cheap. (think COD in the gaming industry)
Oh well I'll still end up seeing it.
Hybrid human-machine.
Gadgets + weapons + AI + superstrength
I have no idea how this movie is not going to break under its own weight.
The curse of Superman. Greatest super-hero who can hardly get great stories to appear in.
super strong (he's made of metal), flight, can speak to technology, can almost organically form weapons like cannons, rockets, lazers etc.
krypt0nian
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Fantastic news. Vic has been getting a great and well deserved push since the New52 as a full Justice League member.
Heck this latest issue was stellar and showed him as a backup to no one!
This movie is certainly shaping up well as far as world building.
Also great to see a hero of color without the embarrassing race swapping other films use.
Heck this latest issue was stellar and showed him as a backup to no one!
This movie is certainly shaping up well as far as world building.
Also great to see a hero of color without the embarrassing race swapping other films use.
Wait what? What do they talk about?
Miles Quaritch
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That would be one of the weakest reasons ever to not use a character.
She needs to make an appearance, if only to introduce the Thanagarians, who will go on to become the first big threat of a proper Justice League movie.
Glass Rebel
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I actually think bringing Batman into the shared universe by putting him against Supes isn't such a bad idea. The question is just how people will react to "new" characters like WW and Cyborg. And whether the transition from the Nolenverse works as seamlessly as they hope.
you know nothing....
Miles Quaritch
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It'd make for an good first movie threat. Obviously they'd move onto much bigger threats in the sequels, but they'd want to start out small(ish) at the beginning as the movie would be partly about them coming together as the Justice League to defeat the Thans.
Jmanunknown
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Just because the superhero was effective does not mean they do not deserve an origin. I can understand Batman and Cyborg not getting an origin but, Wonder woman has not been seen in anything live action since the 70's and that does not include the failed tv pilot. Huntress and Black Canary both in the last 14 years had at least two incarnations of their characters in live action. Wonder Woman has not been seen in live action in 35 years whether it be movie or tv show.
She is already being marginalized by being in the movie in the first place. Her characterizations and actions mean nothing in this context. Batman and Superman are the stars in the film. They did not get people hyped by announcing Superman, Batman and Wonder woman are in the film together they announced a Superman/Batman film. Her not having an origin and just dropping her in the film is treating Wonder Woman like she is Black Widow in the Avengers.
DerZuhälter
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This is awesome.
Every news for this movie gets me more excited. Ben Affleck, Michael Cera, Wonder Woman and now Cyborg. Nothing is going to make me miss this incoming trainwreck.
Every news for this movie gets me more excited. Ben Affleck, Michael Cera, Wonder Woman and now Cyborg. Nothing is going to make me miss this incoming trainwreck.
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