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[hamchan]

I think so, in Ep 13 he drops the savior thing and states he will kill Daredevil.

Yep and I love this. Like how Matt Murdock only really became Daredevil at the end of the season, Wilson Fisk only became Kingpin at the end too. The whole season was about these two characters on different sides of the same coin, growing and finally embracing their roles.

Awesome show.

 

[Rhaknar]

just finished, amazing show, and more importantly (for me), amazing adaptation.

Loved pretty much everything about it, even Foggy who most people shit on. Wesley was a nice surprise, really liked that character. Iron Fist nods, especially knowing theres a Iron Fist show coming, were amazing. I love that Gao said "oh its much farther than that" which can only mean "its so far its not even on earth because K'un-Lun isnt on earth", so hopefully they dont shy away from that in the show. I mean the MCU has Asgard and aliens now so all goes right?

Some nitpicks:

- Ben dying sucks because he's quite a big character in the comics (well, big for a small background character at least) and it means he cant be in Spider Man stuff since this is part of the MCU so its now canon that hes dead.

- Too much black on the costume for no apparent reason, all those black bits could easily have been red also. But the costume works and if you showed me out of context I would still say "oh its Daredevil" so its fine.

- no HAND mention, and with a red ninja in one of the eps, it feels like a super wasted opportunity.

- likewise no Kingpin mention, was hoping for at least at the end in one of the news shows they would call him that, or show some scrolling text saying "NY's Kingpin of crime captured". Oh and no white suit boo

like I said, just nitpicks. amazing show, and im truly excited to see what they do with the other 3 shows. Hopefully we get a season 2 of this aswell

 

[The Outsider]

Loved this shot:

 

[Sulik2]

I feel like the show got weaker after the fisk public reveal, there was some nice character stuff after that, but the plot seemed to meander. The fight with the suit maker was idiotic and it feels like they just reused the same fight choreography for Daredevil from the first half of the season. Suit looks fine except for the cowl, but it really doesn't fit the tone of the show.

 

[Loxley]

As someone who has never read a Daredevil comic book but is vaguely familiar with the character and his origin, here are my overall thoughts on the show:

- The cast is very solid. It did take me a while to get used the baby-faced guy who plays Foggy since he looked a kid wearing his dad's clothes. But eventually I got over it - his performance was perfectly fine.
- Fisk is unquestionably the best villain in the MCU now. Granted that's not exactly saying much since the lack of compelling, non-throwaway villains has been an ongoing problem with the MCU. But man, D'Onofrio killed it. I think he pushed Fisk's bizarre speech pattern a bit too much in a couple scenes, but overall he was great.
- Holy crap my wish was granted and we finally got some real-ass drama in this universe. For once we had serious, brutal action and dialogue sequences where someone didn't crack a joke to break the tension at the end. I was getting so tired of that Whedon-induced trope infiltrating its way into every film in the MCU. I'm glad everyone involved actually took this shit seriously.
- Matt is undoubtedly Marvel's best attempt at having a morally flawed hero on-screen. I liked that his hypocrisy about trusting in the law to get the job done (when he clearly didn't) was brought up to his face a couple of times.
- I loved that Matt repeatedly got his ass kicked - and not just the usual "the bad guy got a few good punches in" type of ass kicked. He was almost straight-up killed multiple times. It made the outcomes of the fights less predictable, which I appreciated.
- Loved the fight choreography, it definitely sets a new bar for TV shows. Although I will admit that on more than one occasion when DD was doing the fancy spins and flips during a fight I kept thinking of this gif:

I didn't think the show was perfect, it had some of the usual first-season growing pains. Having to dedicate heavy chunks of the show's runtime to establishing a number of origins and flashbacks is sort of a necessary evil with shows like this. Which is why I'm looking forward to the (assumed) Season 2. Now that we've set-up the DD mini-universe, they'll have more freedom to spend time on the present-day events.

Oh, and I'll just say it - I think Daredevil is now the most interesting character in the whole MCU by a country mile.

 

[More_Badass]

just finished, amazing show, and more importantly (for me), amazing adaptation.

Loved pretty much everything about it, even Foggy who most people shit on. Wesley was a nice surprise, really liked that character. Iron Fist nods, especially knowing theres a Iron Fist show coming, were amazing. I love that Gao said "oh its much farther than that" which can only mean "its so far its not even on earth because K'un-Lun isnt on earth", so hopefully they dont shy away from that in the show. I mean the MCU has Asgard and aliens now so all goes right?

Some nitpicks:

- Ben dying sucks because he's quite a big character in the comics (well, big for a small background character at least) and it means he cant be in Spider Man stuff since this is part of the MCU so its now canon that hes dead.

- Too much black on the costume for no apparent reason, all those black bits could easily have been red also. But the costume works and if you showed me out of context I would still say "oh its Daredevil" so its fine.

- no HAND mention, and with a red ninja in one of the eps, it feels like a super wasted opportunity.

- likewise no Kingpin mention, was hoping for at least at the end in one of the news shows they would call him that, or show some scrolling text saying "NY's Kingpin of crime captured". Oh and no white suit boo

like I said, just nitpicks. amazing show, and im truly excited to see what they do with the other 3 shows. Hopefully we get a season 2 of this aswell

I liked that the Hand nods were subtle. Small steps to introducing the mystical side of Marvel.

 

[ryan299]

I feel like the show got weaker after the fisk public reveal, there was some nice character stuff after that, but the plot seemed to meander. The fight with the suit maker was idiotic and it feels like they just reused the same fight choreography for Daredevil from the first half of the season. Suit looks fine except for the cowl, but it really doesn't fit the tone of the show.

I agree with you. This is the problem I had with Fisk. He didn't really seem to have a plan. He had an end point and made shit up as he went along it felt like to me. I found the other bosses to be so much more interesting then him. I feel like if Wesley wasn't around and it was Wisk doing all of the stuff he did, it would have been better.

The suit had no point in the show at the end. Matt wants it made cuz it could help him against Kingpin and against knives but in the end what did it do for him in the fight?

Also bc the tone of this show is so different from the marvel movies, I didn't believe this show was in the same universe. I know there's lines about the movies, but it seemed more like fan service and the characters just making jokes to each other.

 

[Rhaknar]

I agree with you. This is the problem I had with Fisk. He didn't really seem to have a plan. He had an end point and made shit up as he went along it felt like to me. I found the other bosses to be so much more interesting then him. I feel like if Wesley wasn't around and it was Wisk doing all of the stuff he did, it would have been better.

The suit had no point in the show at the end. Matt wants it made cuz it could help him against Kingpin and against knives but in the end what did it do for him in the fight?

Also bc the tone of this show is so different from the marvel movies, I didn't believe this show was in the same universe. I know there's lines about the movies, but it seemed more like fan service and the characters just making jokes to each other.

if only different comic books had different tones to them...oh wait

 

[More_Badass]

I agree with you. This is the problem I had with Fisk. He didn't really seem to have a plan. He had an end point and made shit up as he went along it felt like to me. I found the other bosses to be so much more interesting then him. I feel like if Wesley wasn't around and it was Wisk doing all of the stuff he did, it would have been better.

The suit had no point in the show at the end. Matt wants it made cuz it could help him against Kingpin and against knives but in the end what did it do for him in the fight?

Also bc the tone of this show is so different from the marvel movies, I didn't believe this show was in the same universe. I know there's lines about the movies, but it seemed more like fan service and the characters just making jokes to each other.

I think Fisk felt like that, because we see him at a vulnerable time. Vanessa distracted him, made him more reckless, etc. It was clear from the other characters that Fisk hadn't always been so scattered in his planning and actions

Season 2 Kingpin will likely be the focused crime boss comfortable with his violent nature.

 

[kirblar]

Killing Urich was probably a deck-clearing exercise to assist with S2's production- most of the minor roles are dead at the end of the season, letting them have a clean slate. Gao's the only major exception. It definitely felt unnecessary.

 

[Mariolee]

As someone who was unaware of Urich's importance in the comics, I thought his death was perfect in this show.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

The suit had no point in the show at the end. Matt wants it made cuz it could help him against Kingpin and against knives but in the end what did it do for him in the fight?

He gets it because that Japanese dude nearly tore him to shreds with what was essentially a big knife on a chain. He can still get the shit kicked out of him, but it means he's less likely to get shot and sliced up now.

 

[hamchan]

I think Urich dying is good in this series, as part of the story and a logical thing to happen to his character.

It's just a shame since he has so much more potential as a character just based on the comics. If only that Spider-Man deal was signed sooner, poor Ben would probably still be alive.

 

[More_Badass]

As someone who was unaware of Urich's importance in the comics, I thought his death was perfect in this show.

Same. Story-wise, it didn't feel forced or anything

It was clear that this was written before the Spiderman acquisition, so we can only guess that if they had Spidey before, he wouldn't have been killed

 

[Philippo]

Loved this shot:

Where does that drawing comes from? The Bendis/Maleev run?

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

Gotta be honest for a minute I thought Kingpin being in Ben's apartment was another fakeout like with Karen's dream sequence.

To see such a quiet, reserved guy like that struggling for his life was really disturbing. Maybe he'll get ressurected and we'll get Agents of B.U.G.L.E.

 

[Creamium]

Where does that drawing comes from? The Bendis/Maleev run?

Yep, that's Maleev's art

 

[rexor0717]

I think the lack of "Kingpin" is because up until the end, Fisk still thought of himself as the good guy. Now that illusion has been shattered and the title will be much more appropriate to his character.

 

[The Cowboy]

Loved this shot:

I would have changed one part of that, it should have read "Daredevil collars NY Kingpin".

This is my only real issue with the entire series, not 1 time was Fisk referred to as Kingpin.

 

[Hamlet]

I think the lack of "Kingpin" is because up until the end, Fisk still thought of himself as the good guy. Now that illusion has been shattered and the title will be much more appropriate to his character.

Yep should be fun seeing Fisk go into full Kingpin mode for season 2.
Hopefully we also get that white suit at least once next season or else.

 

[Sou Da]

I highly doubt Disney would allow that. I wouldnt be surprised if they made Punisher soft if he ever got a TV series.

"I know this based upon nothing at all"

You disneyposters are seriously.

 

[Escape Goat]

I think the lack of "Kingpin" is because up until the end, Fisk still thought of himself as the good guy. Now that illusion has been shattered and the title will be much more appropriate to his character.

He wasn't the Kingpin until Gao and Leland disappeared which was the last episode or two. He was just one of many powerful people in Hell's Kitchen.

 

[More_Badass]

I highly doubt Disney would allow that. I wouldnt be surprised if they made Punisher soft if he ever got a TV series.

Except Cap and Tony kill people in their movies

And people get brutally killed in this show

What's Disney not allowing again?

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

I highly doubt Disney would allow that. I wouldnt be surprised if they made Punisher soft if he ever got a TV series.

Get with the program man lol. He tortures someone for information, which I was personally surprised by. He cauterises someone's wound with a flare (and though it helps him, he very much enjoys it).

This paranoia that Disney are going to in anyway mess up Marvel are ancient, and frankly outdated.

 

[Philippo]

Yep, that's Maleev's art

Being able to recognise that is so satisfying, one of the many great easter eggs fro DD long time fans.

 

[JTripper]

I think Urich dying is good in this series, as part of the story and a logical thing to happen to his character.

It's just a shame since he has so much more potential as a character just based on the comics. If only that Spider-Man deal was signed sooner, poor Ben would probably still be alive.

They made his death work well in the show and yeah it was logical plot-wise. I'm still shocked and would have liked him to stick around for the sake of the shared universe and some possible future storylines, but it all worked so I'm not really complaining.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

I figured as soon as they went and visited Kingpin's Mom at least one of them were fucked. He bludgeoned a dude to death with a hammer to protect her.

 

[call_kotaku]

I think the only reservation about the Disney side of things would be if you wanted a Punisher feature film, and that's more due to the difficulty of an R-rated movie earning the sort of box office that's expected of an MCU-branded movie instead of whatever issues they have against violence.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

I think the only reservation about the Disney side of things would be if you wanted a Punisher feature film, and that's more due to the difficulty of an R-rated movie earning the sort of box office that's expected of an MCU-branded movie instead of whatever issues they have against violence.

If it'll happen, it'll be on Netflix. I have no doubt. Also, they'll probably be watching Deadpool with baited breath.

 

[Sheroking]

I think the only reservation about the Disney side of things would be if you wanted a Punisher feature film, and that's more due to the difficulty of an R-rated movie earning the sort of box office that's expected of an MCU-branded movie instead of whatever issues they have against violence.

I sincerely doubt they intend to do a film version of anything that doesn't directly fit into the Avengers oeuvre, whether it's R-rated or PG13.

It's why I think the future of Blade, Ghost Rider, Punisher, etc is TV.

 

[J10]

Urich would have been redundant past this season anyway. This is what he always does. He investigates things that could get him killed. It finally got him killed. He's not a superhero. And his death has real impact precisely because you connected with him and what he was doing.

 

[The Hermit]

A hundred year-old woman put Daredevil on his ass with a single open palm strike. Was that smooth enough?

Exactly! What I meant is that I don't want this show focusing on the realistic aspect and slowly focus on the unknown, and less in the realistic because that usually don't work when we are talking about comic books adaptations.

Arrow has a hard time deciding what way they should go and the show is bad now. Flash went the other way and its working very well

 

[Thorakai]

Urich would have been redundant past this season anyway. This is what he always does. He investigates things I could get him killed. It finally got him killed. He's not a superhero. And his death has real impact precisely because you connected with him and what he was doing.

Yea. As someone who knew almost nothing about Daredevil he served his role pretty well. Urich died an honorable death and the weight of the guilt on Karen, alongside her dark past and her killing Fisk's bromance, will catapult some good plot threads for a Season 2. Karen looks like she is being molded as a successor of sorts too. For a show that did a lot tonally to distance itself from the one established by the movieverse, something like this is necessary. I don't want the MCU to suffer from the same faith as comics of making deaths inconsequential. And I'd rather prioritize the telling of a good story rather than keep characters alive just because you may need them later.

 

[kunonabi]

Yep should be fun seeing Fisk go into full Kingpin mode for season 2.
Hopefully we also get that white suit at least once next season or else.

I imagine the white suit is going to serve as a reminder of his time in prison. This season already set up that as being likely with him always wearing his father's cuff links and his inclination to wear the same or similar suits on a regular basis when left to his own devices.

 

[J10]

He's replaceable. Betty Brant, Sally Floyd, Ned Whatshisface - dude who became the Hobgoblin.

I like Sally in particular. She's a train wreck.

 

[Mister Wilhelm]

Nothing original? Show me a TV series based on a comic within a wider universe where you have a villain played excellently who you don't know whether to hate or feel sorry for.

If you feel sorry for Kingpin at any point in the series beyond his first episode, your way of looking at things is severely limited.

 

[Number_6]

Just finished the series.

I thought all the actors were more or less pitch-perfect and did amazing work in their respective roles. The action and plotting were also very nice.

However, I noticed that some scenes just dragged for too long. Like the camera would linger too long on Karen and Matt standing around not talking. Or that opening confession scene in the first episode went on a bit too long. I think every episode could have been just a bit shorter.

Finally, I do not dig the red suit. Not at all. my first impression is that it is way too busy, like The Dark Knight suit. I was very much hoping for something more organic, more demonic, like the imagery in the show's title sequence. I even expected this, given that the amazing protective material that is used for DD's suit is the same material sewn into Fisk's expensive suits. It's lightweight, it can flow, it can be stylish, etc. It does nothave to look like TDK.

Also, the mask really bothered me. I couldn't put my finger on it at first, I thought it was something with the eyes. Then someone else mentioned the nose, and I understood. The nose is all wrong, because it is covered. Comic-book DD does not cover his nose. Having a nose on the mask changes the lines of the face to make it not look like Daredevil.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Ned Whatshisface - dude who became the Hobgoblin.

Leeds

 

[More_Badass]

I like the suit. It works as realistic tactical body armor IMO. Going more towards the spandex, skin-tight style would look out of place IMO. I thought the whole costume in general seemed odd, but I think that was because I used to the black outfit

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

If you feel sorry for Kingpin at any point in the series beyond his first episode, your way of looking at things is severely limited.

You're right, fuck him for having an abusive father right

I mean really dude?

 

[The Hermit]

Cornballer, please fix The OP that appearance list is wrong, like not even close.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Daredevil doesnt has a TV Show. I think the fact that we are dealing with Netflix Originals helps them to go more brutal.

 

[More_Badass]

People get brutally killed in a lot of tv shows even on basic networks. It's still a shit rule for him not to kill. Thats why i wish this was Punisher instead of Daredevil. Since he the only person who does something about crime.



Most basic tv shows show tortue now so that doesnt surprise me one bit. I just find it hard that Punisher will ever get a tv show well any time soon. All that killing i would love to see it I'm just dont have high hopes.

If he starts killing people, it's not a Daredevil show anymore. It's not a problem with the show or the story by any means. That's like getting annoyed that Superman doesn't vaporize criminals' faces off with heat vision or that Batman doesn't slit criminals' throats with batarangs.

 

[Sou Da]

People get brutally killed in a lot of tv shows even on basic networks. It's still a shit rule for him not to kill. Thats why i wish this was Punisher instead of Daredevil. Since he the only person who does something about crime.



Most basic tv shows show tortue now so that doesnt surprise me one bit. I just find it hard that Punisher will ever get a tv show well any time soon. All that killing i would love to see it I'm just dont have high hopes.

Why are you pretending that it's some type of company rule instead of the character's ideology?

 

[Altairre]

I'll be bummed once end up killing Karen off. I know a lot of people didn't like her, but as far as Marvel ladies in the MCU go she is one of my favorites and I think she has the potential to become a really cool character. They dropped the ball with Clair, her inlusion was kind of awkward. Karen's development on the other hand was interesting, especially her mistake that eventually got Ulrich killed (poor guy) and the consequences that came with it.

 

[DieH@rd]

Fisk straight up destroyed all other performances of Lex Luthor we had so far on film and television. He was fantastic, hopefully he can graduate from Netflix and join main MCU. He would be great adversary for young SpiderMan.

 

[kirblar]

I'll be bummed once end up killing Karen off. I know a lot of people didn't like her, but as far as Marvel ladies in the MCU go she is one of my favorites and I think she has the potential to become a really cool character. They dropped the ball with Clair, her inlusion was kind of awkward. Karen's development on the other hand was interesting, especially her mistake that eventually got Ulrich killed (poor guy) and the consequences that came with it.

I don't see why you would. It's completely redundant due to Elektra.

Claire was awkward because she's likely a character that will appear in all 4 series as a way to link them.

 

[Rhaknar]

It's a running joke all of Matt's girlfriends die but it was just

Spoiler

Karen and Elektra

(and this one didn't stick lol) right?

 

[GAMEPROFF]

It's a running joke all of Matt's girlfriends die but it was just

Spoiler

Karen and Elektra

(and this one didn't stick lol) right?

No, there were 5 dead girlfriends... Three of them are not that well know like Elektra and Karen. http://goodcomics.comicbookresource...g-crazy-patterns-daredevils-dead-girlfriends/

 

[Wreck-It Ralph]

I guess I'm alone on this, but I didn't really like this show's portrayal of Fisk. I always thought of Fisk as a confident, intimidating businessman type, but this show portrayed him as basically a big baby with no confidence who threw temper tantrums when he didn't get his way.