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[fernoca]

 

[ironichaos]

OMG, is that the N-Gage Lite?

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

I'm surprised folks are shocked and offended by this.

It's no secret that the big gun titles were being held back until all platforms were available. Once the games people want to play drop, and they're not available on the Wii; of course the novelty will die down. :\

 

[Gigglepoo]

I don't know what you're arguing, or if you even have an argument. I'm saying if you haven't played the Godfather or RE4 then your opinion on the validity of Wii controls is useless to me.

I have played every game except for those and SSX. Are you really arguing that only 3 games utilize the Wiimote, and none of them are made by Nintendo?

Now you have clearly stepped into the realm of insanity.

Did mom and dad buy a Wii so they could play WiiSports? Or did they play their child's copy? I think the latter is much more likely. They aren't spending a cent on WiiSports or Lair.

What.

Why would there necessarily be more plentiful or diverse experiences on the other consoles?

3rd party support. I still don't see it on the Wii. When I said this before E3, people argued, saying Legends and RE:UC were the main sequels to their franchises. After playing RE:UC last week, I can say with full confidence that this is cheap shovelware. When 3rd parties start supporting the Wii, the system will have a diverse lineup, but right now it does not.

 

[Monk]

I'm surprised folks are shocked and offended by this.

It's no secret that the big gun titles were being held back until all platforms were available. Once the games people want to play drop, and they're not available on the Wii; of course the novelty will die down. :\

I am not offended, rather i am amused, that people actually think that the people who bought a wii for Wii Sports is going to jump ship for Halo.

 

[Gigglepoo]

I am not offended, rather i am amused, that people actually think that the people who bought a wii for Wii Sports is going to jump ship for Halo.

If someone bought a Wii for WiiSports alone, they probably aren't going to buy many games period. Just like the gamer who buys Madden every year and nothing else.

The argument is that, once the novelty of motion controls wear off, the gamers who bought the Wii for a wide selection of games will drift towards the HD systems. I have no idea if this will happen, but it certainly isn't unreasonable.

 

[mj1108]

The argument is that, once the novelty of motion controls wear off, the gamers who bought the Wii for a wide selection of games will drift towards the HD systems. I have no idea if this will happen, but it certainly isn't unreasonable.

So does this mean the Sixaxis is a novelty controller too?

 

[Cruceh]

So does this mean the Sixaxis is a novelty controller too?

It will have next-gen rumble.

 

[avatar299]

If someone bought a Wii for WiiSports alone, they probably aren't going to buy many games period. Just like the gamer who buys Madden every year and nothing else.

The person who buys Nintendogs for the DS alone, won't purchase anything else on the system. Ever. Even though logic and common sense says the opposite will happen.

The argument is that, once the novelty of motion controls wear off, the gamers who bought the Wii for a wide selection of games will drift towards the HD systems. I have no idea if this will happen, but it certainly isn't unreasonable.

Who bought a wii for its wide selection of games?

 

[Shaheed79]

After toying around with this Revolution remote control, and after fighting my grandparents off it, my prediction is that people will be looking to buy a "normal" controller to plug in.

I thought that was Dave Perry who said that. Dude could not of been more wrong in his "prediction". Seems he's still bitter about the lack of face plates lol.

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

So does this mean the Sixaxis is a novelty controller too?

It would more easily qualify as a novelty item if Sony repackaged it with the PS2 and called the bundle a Playstation 3.

 

[fernoca]

I have no idea if this will happen, but it certainly isn't unreasonable.

But that's the thing..Where's the reason?
There were "HD games" a year before the Wii was released (more if you count 720p PS2 and Xbox games). Heck, the same can be said about HD, what if someone gets tired of the "novelty" of HD visuals...what if there's a point when someone no longer notices any visual changes in those "HD games" and just gets stuck playing HD versions of the same games he/she played before...??

 

[Tobor]

If someone bought a Wii for WiiSports alone, they probably aren't going to buy many games period. Just like the gamer who buys Madden every year and nothing else.

The argument is that, once the novelty of motion controls wear off, the gamers who bought the Wii for a wide selection of games will drift towards the HD systems. I have no idea if this will happen, but it certainly isn't unreasonable.

Or they will simply buy a game from the Wii's wide selection of games.

 

[tetrisgrammaton]

I've always had the impression that outside of Earthworm Jim, Dave Perry's career has been a big ol' string of who ****ing cares?

outside of?

 

[lexi]

The argument is that, once the novelty of motion controls wear off, the gamers who bought the Wii for a wide selection of games will drift towards the HD systems. I have no idea if this will happen, but it certainly isn't unreasonable.

Yes, it is unreasonable, you have left the land of reason, sailing on the ship of fools, to Unreasonia.

 

[Sharp]

are wiis built like gamecubes or is dropping one bad for it

 

[P90]

I disagree with Mr. Perry, but a $199 360 'tard pack + mem card would make things interesting.

 

[P90]

The argument is that, once the novelty of HD wear off, the gamers who bought the 360/PS3 will drift towards the Wii. I have no idea if this will happen, but it certainly isn't unreasonable.

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[Mar]

I think he's somewhat right. At least in my case. I've had a Wii since launch but it hasn't been seeing much play time outside of Wii Sports during parties. I ended up buying a 360 just recently and I wish I'd bought one sooner. It wasn't due to Halo or any of the other big visual releases though. It was Live that sold me.

Will everyone 'drop their wiis' for higher powered consoles? No way. Most people only buy one console a generation. It's only the gamers like me who end up looking elsewhere when they get bored. I certainly couldn't imagine the Wii tidal wave suddenly disappearing when any 360 game comes out. Let alone Halo.

 

[EktorPR]

If someone bought a Wii for WiiSports alone, they probably aren't going to buy many games period. Just like the gamer who buys Madden every year and nothing else.

The argument is that, once the novelty of motion controls wear off, the gamers who bought the Wii for a wide selection of games will drift towards the HD systems. I have no idea if this will happen, but it certainly isn't unreasonable.

The argument certainly isn't unreasonable...what is, is underestimating the draw power of the Wii with casuals and core gamers alike, and that with each passing month, more and more great games get added to the Wii's library, attracting thousands of gamers from all corners of the taste spectrum. People didn't buy a Wii just for WiiSports. They bought it with the promise of a new way of playing games in mind...more accesible...they bought it thinking in a long term relationship with the machine.

Projects like My Sims, Smash Bros. Brawl and Super Mario Galaxy will cement the Wii's position in every household this fall, and Wii Fit and Mario Kart early next year will finish the one-two punch of Wii domination. Fads become what they are when they don't have anything else to offer besides their initial draw. Wii is constantly moving its terrain, molding it, just so that more people can "build" a longterm relatioship with it, be it by introducing new concepts, or simply keeping a steady release of interesting games. It's here to stay.

 

[Gigglepoo]

The argument certainly isn't unreasonable...what is, is underestimating the draw power of the Wii with casuals and core gamers alike, and that with each passing month, more and more great games get added to the Wii's library, attracting thousands of gamers from all corners of the taste spectrum. People didn't buy a Wii just for WiiSports. They bought it with the promise of a new way of playing games in mind...more accesible...they bought it thinking in a long term relationship with the machine.

Projects like My Sims, Smash Bros. Brawl and Super Mario Galaxy will cement the Wii's position in every household this fall, and Wii Fit and Mario Kart early next year will finish the one-two punch of Wii domination. Fads become what they are when they don't have anything else to offer besides their initial draw. Wii is constantly moving its terrain, molding it, just so that more people can "build" a longterm relatioship with it, be it by introducing new concepts, or simply keeping a steady release of interesting games. It's here to stay.

Thank you for replying intelligently to my post. Your argument is very sound. I honestly have no idea what the mindset of current Wii owners is or what their expectations of the system is for the future. Your theory could definitely turn out to be right. Thanks for taking the time to form a thoughtful opinion.

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

For a game with such an okay/average single player, Halo is way overrated. I mean, isn't it a slap to PC gamers for the average halo fan to start mouthing off how Halo will change the world? What does Halo offer not found on the PC?

Either way, I expect MS to shoot itself in the foot. Right around Halo, HW sales won't jump too high because reports will be coming in on how MS refuses to send out all those reimbursement checks.

 

[Sharp]

The argument certainly isn't unreasonable...what is, is underestimating the draw power of the Wii with casuals and core gamers alike, and that with each passing month, more and more great games get added to the Wii's library, attracting thousands of gamers from all corners of the taste spectrum. People didn't buy a Wii just for WiiSports. They bought it with the promise of a new way of playing games in mind...more accesible...they bought it thinking in a long term relationship with the machine.

Projects like My Sims, Smash Bros. Brawl and Super Mario Galaxy will cement the Wii's position in every household this fall, and Wii Fit and Mario Kart early next year will finish the one-two punch of Wii domination. Fads become what they are when they don't have anything else to offer besides their initial draw. Wii is constantly moving its terrain, molding it, just so that more people can "build" a longterm relatioship with it, be it by introducing new concepts, or simply keeping a steady release of interesting games. It's here to stay.

So basically people bought the console for the potential? That sounds familiar. And unlikely.

 

[fernoca]

So basically people bought the console for the potential? That sounds familiar. And unlikely.

Nope..but yo can do better than that Sharp, come on..1 more chance!

 

[DSN2K]

more likely the 360 will be unplugged so that mum can play WiiFit. :\

 

[Sharp]

Nope..but yo can do better than that Sharp, come on..1 more chance!

I bought it for the potential, but casuals, and, particularly, nongamers, are buying it for Wii Sports. People who buy platforms without compelling software tend to be either (1) dazzled by the brand (Apple, Sony in the PS2 era) or (2) hardcore. Normal consumers just can't justify spending money on something they won't actually use.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

hey Dave Perry: Go make another shitty matrix game you dickhole!

 

[fernoca]

I bought it for the potential, but casuals, and, particularly, nongamers, are buying it for Wii Sports.

Darn! I gave you a chance and you wasted it!
Oh well..there's always next time!

 

[Sharp]

Darn! I gave you a chance and you wasted it!
Oh well..there's always next time!

Man I don't even know what you want me to do.

 

[Rocket Punch]

He's good looking but a man so full of himself makes me find him nothing but repulsive.

 

[fernoca]

He's good looking but a man so full of himself makes me find him nothing but repulsive.

Heheh..
Yeah..
He's good to look in pictures..but that's it... :lol

 

[Monk]

more likely the 360 will be unplugged so that mum can play WiiFit. :\

You know, you got to hand it to Nintendo, if anyone could make the perfect console and software for women, the wii and wii fit would be it.

 

[lupin23rd]

Did this guy say something about seeing something new and Halo in the same sentence?

Also I don't think soccer moms play Madden, let alone Halo. GTFO.

Spoiler

Does DP read GAF? Maybe I'll get a PM hehehe

 

[legend166]

I'd just like to say that this further reinforces my theory that the video game industry contains a higher number of idiots than any other, percentage wise.

Except maybe politics.

But it's close.

 

[masud]

The last time Dave Perry was relevant we were playing with super power.

 

[Monk]

I'd just like to say that this further reinforces my theory that the video game industry contains a higher number of idiots than any other, percentage wise.

Except maybe politics.

But it's close.

If you watch Aussie politics on the TV you will have no doubt in your mind that atleast half of the politicians are morons. I can oonly shudder at the thought of how many politicians in the US are mentally deficient.

 

[Campster]

I'd just like to say that this further reinforces my theory that the video game industry contains a higher number of idiots than any other, percentage wise.

Except maybe politics.

But it's close.

I'd also like to note that this industry hires mostly from its own audience.

So I'd say there's a correlation.

 

[legend166]

If you watch Aussie politics on the TV you will have no doubt in your mind that atleast half of the politicians are morons. I can oonly shudder at the thought of how many politicians in the US are mentally deficient.

Aussie politics is hilarious to watch. Question Time is compulsive viewing. It's just the leaders of the country making fun of each other. It's great.

 

[nightside]

So is it alright for a next generation console to basically stagnate when it comes to graphics? That is Wii in a nutshell: a last generation console with a new peripheral. Nintendo could have just sold the new peripheral with the Gamecube instead of charging $250 for an entirely new console (which they make $100 off each one).

Good business plan? It seems to be working out for them, but it really is screwing over the consumer and sets a real bad precedent for next-generation of consoles.

and a 600$ pricetag 'cause of format war isn't screwing over the consumer?

Aussie politics is hilarious to watch. Question Time is compulsive viewing. It's just the leaders of the country making fun of each other. It's great.

you should watch italian ones. stadium chants, brawls, stupid signs...depressing

 

[Galactic Fork]

If someone bought a Wii for WiiSports alone, they probably aren't going to buy many games period. Just like the gamer who buys Madden every year and nothing else.

They will buy games that appeal to them. Just like madden players buy games that appeal to them. If EA made 3 Maddens a year, each with enough reason for those people to buy 3 Maddens a year, the people would buy them.

Same for the people who bought Wii for WiiSports. You supply them with games that interest them, and they'll buy them. It's all up to the developers and publishers if these people buy games. Wii Sports already showed they are willing to spend money on one game. That's the biggest battle right there.

The argument is that, once the novelty of motion controls wear off, the gamers who bought the Wii for a wide selection of games will drift towards the HD systems. I have no idea if this will happen, but it certainly isn't unreasonable.

The problem with this argument is that it is stating from the beginning that motion controls offer nothing other than being new or novel. This is the flaw that made everybody underestimate the Wii, and why even after all these months of sales people still say it's a fad. They can't accept controls might also be a draw that is as powerful as graphics.

 

[Hammer24]

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[Maridia]

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Probably unnecessary.

 

[Firesprite121984]

Dammit Hammer!

You can't unsee that!

 

[Hammer24]

^



Probably unnecessary.

You´re probably right.

 

[Ikael]

The argument is that, once the novelty of motion controls wear off, the gamers who bought the Wii for a wide selection of games will drift towards the HD systems. I have no idea if this will happen, but it certainly isn't unreasonable.

If you buy a 250$ console attracted by the novelty idea of its motion controller, you wouldn't buy a 360 for Halo because guess what? videogaming is probably for you just a modern, adult toy, and not an high investment in an epic experience.

The price, the lack of the "plug and play" philosophy (HMD cable, multiple, skus, micrtransaction, etc), everything on the 360 screams "anti Wii". It is incredibly narrow minded to think that the jump to HD is inevitable. Technological evolution doesn't happens "because It has always happened like this", but rather because said technological evolution fullfil the people's necessities and / or desires and are accesible to them. 400$ + HD tv is not accesible, and people is showing via DS, PSP and Wii that HD doesn't make too much of a difference, public perception - wise.

Dave Perry's comments can be considered either obtuse or simply stupid.

 

[Firesprite121984]

If you buy a 250$ console attracted by the novelty idea of its motion controller, you wouldn't buy a 360 for Halo because guess what? videogaming is probably for you just a modern, adult toy, and not an high investment in an epic experience.

I plan on buying a 360... yet I view videogaming as just that, an adult toy.

They might move you, create experiences that can in no way be replicated anywhere else, but they are still toys.

*in a booming scifi voice*

The action figures of the future!

 

[J-Rzez]

fixed

Haha, that's even more unreasonable... A new input device doesn't add to physics, animation, and immersive looks with stellar sound... Not to mention it just doesn't have the overall variety and selection of titles that the other two offer by a long shot...

 

[Monk]

Haha, that's even more unreasonable... A new input device doesn't add to physics, animation, and immersive looks with stellar sound... Not to mention it just doesn't have the overall variety and selection of titles that the other two offer by a long shot...

I think that all those things you mentioned regarding asthetics are really more of a novelty than gameplay evolution of the wii controls.

I would also argue that there are even more variety on the wii than the other two. Games that cater specifically to a smaller fragment of the marketplace like cooking mama, brain traing wii, and a lot of reports have said that publishers are moving to the wii.

 

[P90]

Haha, that's even more unreasonable... A new input device doesn't add to physics, animation, and immersive looks with stellar sound... Not to mention it just doesn't have the overall variety and selection of titles that appeal to males 14- 25 that the other two offer by a long shot...

fixed

The gaming world can be and is bigger than that demographic.

 

[nightside]

fixed

The gaming world can be and is bigger than that demographic.

QTF

can't imagine a girl being a "ohmygodlookathetexutersofthatspacemarinegottaownsomeoneonlinerightnow" gamer