Littleberu
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DoctorWho said:
Amalgam was a April Fool's prank. They were all released in April of 1996 and 1997.
They were a collaboration between Marvel and DC.
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DC Comics Vs. Marvel Comics
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Amalgam was a April Fool's prank. They were all released in April of 1996 and 1997.
They were a collaboration between Marvel and DC.
PhoncipleBone
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Freshmaker said:
Damn right!
Although, I do think that if it came down to it, Thanos would lose to Darkseid. But only after they teamed up to kill everyone else in the universe.
Dice said:
Classy.
Both companies have a lot of classy and awesome stories. Both have lots of shitty and crass stories.
PhoncipleBone
Banned
I do hope you know I was being sarcastic. The whole rape retcon was just so bad.Xater said:
bengraven
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I've heard quite a bit of professionals state it like this:
DC: is all about it's costumed, pulp-inspired superheroes.
Marvel: is pure science fiction with flawed heroes
I think by that regards, while the line has blended quite a bit over the years, I've always felt Marvel had a much better edge.
DC: is all about it's costumed, pulp-inspired superheroes.
Marvel: is pure science fiction with flawed heroes
I think by that regards, while the line has blended quite a bit over the years, I've always felt Marvel had a much better edge.
Littleberu
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PhoncipleBone said:
So you're spitting on Identity Crisis now? Is nothing sacred in this world?
How is DC not Science fiction?
gutter_trash
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Marvel is better
my brother was pro DC, I was pro Marvel
each hero has a wide plethora of villains and Marvel undergoes less reboots than DC.
DC is so unstable to the point that they reboot every 15 years because they fuck up too much of their own shit. and their Villains are lame
I had Marvel Universe character guide ... = awesome
my brother had DC Who's Who character guide = wow at the lameness of these characters
my brother was pro DC, I was pro Marvel
each hero has a wide plethora of villains and Marvel undergoes less reboots than DC.
DC is so unstable to the point that they reboot every 15 years because they fuck up too much of their own shit. and their Villains are lame
I had Marvel Universe character guide ... = awesome
my brother had DC Who's Who character guide = wow at the lameness of these characters
Personal opinion, but anyone who likes DC more than Marvel hasn't read enough Marvel. Just IMO. I mean, the way the universe weaves together (how awesome was Civil War, Secret Invasion etc), it really feels real, and not just individual sort of off beat fantasy characters. Perhaps i'm wrong, DC is nice too, just nothing to Marvel imo.
PhoncipleBone
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I wasn't spitting in Identity Crisis as a whole. Just that aspect of it. It just felt unnecessary to put that in.Littleberu said:
I do agree that Marvel feels more like a cohesive (which is funny to think about when Marvel is so convoluted) whole than DC. But DC universe is still awesome, even if I grew up with more Marvel.Sentry said:
Let's reverse that for the other side:
Sentry said:
gutter_trash
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DC feels too seperate.. like shit that happens in Bat-Man feels like a totally different world than what happens in Green Lattern, Wonder Woman or Super-Man comics
Marvel is more of intertwining world.. where Kingpin is pain in the ass for Daredevil, Spider-Man, Punisher and other NYC based street heroes.
while Doctor Doom can easily be involved in Fantastic Four, Iron-Man, Avangers, Spider-Man issues
then you get Juggernaught who is an X-Men enemy stepping into a Spidey issue
the Marvel Unniverse is more unified and flows well from characters/team onto other issues.
X-Men may be the most to themselves of them but still spills into the other a tad bit
Marvel is more of intertwining world.. where Kingpin is pain in the ass for Daredevil, Spider-Man, Punisher and other NYC based street heroes.
while Doctor Doom can easily be involved in Fantastic Four, Iron-Man, Avangers, Spider-Man issues
then you get Juggernaught who is an X-Men enemy stepping into a Spidey issue
the Marvel Unniverse is more unified and flows well from characters/team onto other issues.
X-Men may be the most to themselves of them but still spills into the other a tad bit
bengraven
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Littleberu said:
Marvel's heroes in the 60s were all about radiation, space travel, genetics. The storylines were more rooted in science fiction. DC heroes were more about brawlers with prominent non-powered characters, more magic, etc. I can't remember the exact difference in the articles I've read, I believe Warren Ellis was one of those to make the distinction. It's been years since I've cared about comic books.
That said, the difference is melding in the last 10, 20 years because DC copied a lot of what the late-comer Marvel was doing right when it recreated it's heroes in the late 80s.
The following is an extreme generalisation with tons of contradictions existing in comic book/graphic novel literary history, yet I feel it offers a good simplification of what has been the traditional focuses and strengths of the two:
DC has more iconic heroes and villains. Thus the stories (in theory) explore the macro-side of being a superhero, the more philosophical. The Christ-like figure of Superman and how a world reacts to him. The right-wing balance of light and dark, law and truth, sanity and insanity in Batman. The conflict between peace and enforcement, tradition and progression with Wonder Woman.
Marvel heroes and villains at their best focus more on the micro, the more political. They're much more like you and I. The kid trying to make ends meet in Spiderman. The fight for equal rights and rallying against extremism in your own mix with the X-Men*.
*X-Men have been a fantastical parallel to what the modern Muslim community has to face with members of its ranks being fundamentalist murderers for years now.
DC has more iconic heroes and villains. Thus the stories (in theory) explore the macro-side of being a superhero, the more philosophical. The Christ-like figure of Superman and how a world reacts to him. The right-wing balance of light and dark, law and truth, sanity and insanity in Batman. The conflict between peace and enforcement, tradition and progression with Wonder Woman.
Marvel heroes and villains at their best focus more on the micro, the more political. They're much more like you and I. The kid trying to make ends meet in Spiderman. The fight for equal rights and rallying against extremism in your own mix with the X-Men*.
*X-Men have been a fantastical parallel to what the modern Muslim community has to face with members of its ranks being fundamentalist murderers for years now.
Littleberu
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bengraven said:
Maybe. Marvel then tried to copy the success of DC iconic characters by bringing a fuckload of unrecognizeable and unimportant female heros into the fold, and some messiah/gods characters.
And then they brought back Nova and made him Green Lantern.
You don't read DC, do you? You just watch movies and stuff, right?
Batman is almost everytime a key part to almost everything in DC Universe.
PhoncipleBone
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Pulling the JLA into all major storylines does not make it as tightly knit as Marvel is. I think he is referring to the non event stories. Of course, this past decade has been the decade of the yearly event storyline for both companies.Littleberu said:
Littleberu
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PhoncipleBone said:
Well, everything in Marvel happens in New York City, for whatever reasons, so that might be true.
And JLA is not Batman/Wonderman/Superman, it's the JLA. The three haven't even been members of the team for quite a while (except Dick as Batman).
Oh god this is so fun to argue with Marvel fans. It's like the 90's again.
Jedeye Sniv
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DC all the way. I got in through Batman TAS and stayed for everything else. On a purely character standpoint, Batman + Superman > all IMO. Also, at the moment DC has the better writers I think and that's mainly what I read comics for. Basically whatever company Grant Morrison is at wins.
captmcblack
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Marvel vs. DC is like Coke v. Pepsi for me - they're different, but they satisfy just the same.
PhoncipleBone
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It is true that NYC is the big base of most things in Marvel. Not much taking place on the West Coast.Littleberu said:
And I didn't mean to make it seem like an argument, although for almost all points brought up by both sides, there are counter points for both as well. I am a big DC fan as well, but I have just had more exposure to Marvel stuff.
jmdajr said:
I will go one farther.
Spider Man>Batman
Batman Rogues > Spider Man Rogues
Both are the best characters of their respective universes though. And screw all the Superman haters out there. The Big Blue Boyscout is still an awesome and iconic character, especially in the hands of a great writer.
PhoncipleBone
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He can be very boring, and goes into boring territory easier than most of DC, but when the right writer gets a hold of him it is fantastic. Just look at what Morrison did.Xater said:
bloodydrake
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I think you really have to break things up into era's. The history of both is far too long and varied.
For me I look at the late 70's early 80's and Marvel was far far superior to DC.
At the time DC was still trying to hold onto the idea that comics were for kids and Marvel was exploring more mature story telling. Marvels characters were more human..they always had flaws and you could relate to them in away that you couldn't DC heroes.
Story lines like Days of Future Past just surpassed anything DC was doing completely at the time.
I don't think it was till Frank Millers Dark Knight story that Batman really became great as a modern character. He got rid of the biff bam boom humor and made the dark Knight..DARK.
Now adays? who knows...I haven't followed comics enough in the last 20years due to any artistic integrity being thrown out the window for good in the 90's.
Seriously tho wtf Wolverine is Canadian some douches made him American? wtf..
For me I look at the late 70's early 80's and Marvel was far far superior to DC.
At the time DC was still trying to hold onto the idea that comics were for kids and Marvel was exploring more mature story telling. Marvels characters were more human..they always had flaws and you could relate to them in away that you couldn't DC heroes.
Story lines like Days of Future Past just surpassed anything DC was doing completely at the time.
I don't think it was till Frank Millers Dark Knight story that Batman really became great as a modern character. He got rid of the biff bam boom humor and made the dark Knight..DARK.
Now adays? who knows...I haven't followed comics enough in the last 20years due to any artistic integrity being thrown out the window for good in the 90's.
Seriously tho wtf Wolverine is Canadian some douches made him American? wtf..
bengraven
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Littleberu said:
Marvel started off trying to do what DC did, but they put that angle of science in that was very popular at the time (this is the space race era, after all). They brought back Captain America because they needed a Superman figure, etc.
That said, they gave characters depth that wasn't happening in the BAM POW era of comics and comic book television.
Ironically, at least during the decade I read comics, Marvel stopped doing depth and started more BAM POW and DC comics became more in depth.
If you consider girlfriends in freezers and anal rape depth I suppose.
Littleberu
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Xater said:
Morrison run on Superman was pretty awesome, and New Krypton was pretty boss. (Yes, I love me some Geoff Johns) Gail Simone did some wonderful things with Wonder Woman, too.
TheKaeptain
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DC has Booster Gold therefore DC wins by a landslide.
PhoncipleBone
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Those were some great runs, yes.Littleberu said:
Booster is awesome as well.CaptYamato said:
comedy bomb
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KuwabaraTheMan said:
wat
Spider-Man's rogue gallery is on par with Batman's, and they are the most iconic in all of comicdom.
rasberryjam
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I've always been more of a Marvel fan, but I find that both suck in their own regards. Keeping up with comics on either side seems far too complicated.
The only thing I try to keep up with is Daniel Way's Deadpool series, which thankfully doesn't split off into other comics THAT much, it just likes to jam cameos in a bit too frequently. Oh and stuff like X-Men First Class is great, kind of wish more comics would go that direction and have some fun, instead of getting caught up with their Invasions and Crises.
That said, I enjoy some of DC's smaller less involved comics. Been reading Joe the Barbarian which is fantastic.
The only thing I try to keep up with is Daniel Way's Deadpool series, which thankfully doesn't split off into other comics THAT much, it just likes to jam cameos in a bit too frequently. Oh and stuff like X-Men First Class is great, kind of wish more comics would go that direction and have some fun, instead of getting caught up with their Invasions and Crises.
That said, I enjoy some of DC's smaller less involved comics. Been reading Joe the Barbarian which is fantastic.
rasberryjam
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On second thought, Marvel has allowed Cable to continue on as a character. That shit should have been put down fast.
I won't get into which is better, but in terms of teams, I really do think DC has established some pretty diverse ones in recent memories.
Even ignoring the JLA or even the Titans.
You have the group in the Secret Six, which functions as a team even if half the arcs they want to kill each other.
Then you have the Birds of Prey, which seems like a close sisterhood at times. I mean they went out to a strip club together recently!
I'm really digging the vibe of the Justice League International in Generation Lost right now, and really hope they turn that into a real on-going.
I mean are they as close as the Fantastic Four? Probably not, but an interesting and usually dynamic set-up of individuals .
Even ignoring the JLA or even the Titans.
You have the group in the Secret Six, which functions as a team even if half the arcs they want to kill each other.
Then you have the Birds of Prey, which seems like a close sisterhood at times. I mean they went out to a strip club together recently!
I'm really digging the vibe of the Justice League International in Generation Lost right now, and really hope they turn that into a real on-going.
I mean are they as close as the Fantastic Four? Probably not, but an interesting and usually dynamic set-up of individuals .
I have a soft spot for Marvel just because that's what I grew up with, but to make statements like 'this has better characters, this has better stories' is as silly as being all 'this systems graphics are better, but this one has better games'.
It's purely subjective and open to change depending on who is writing who.
I mean c'mon, if anyone had told me that Green Lantern was gonna be a top selling, top tier character when I was reading Green Lantern #1 reboot in the early 90s with Hal I'd have called you crazy.
Hell characters like Captain America and Power Girl should be jokes, but they're not.
Deadpool is a top tier comic character these days. The Avengers matter again.
It really does change. Oh and for as much as I enjoy Identity Crisis, it does not hold up and it's pretty much the Da Vinci code of comics.
Enjoy both, follow creators not characters. It's a lot easier to drop Superman if you're reading it because you liked JMS' Spidey run than if you can't get past the need to have EVERY SINGLE ISSUE or 'Superman is boring, I'll read All Star Batman over the Superman one'
If you bought Chuck Austen's run of X-Men, then you've spent more money than people who bought FF14. Think about that, don't reward shit for the sake of completion
It's purely subjective and open to change depending on who is writing who.
I mean c'mon, if anyone had told me that Green Lantern was gonna be a top selling, top tier character when I was reading Green Lantern #1 reboot in the early 90s with Hal I'd have called you crazy.
Hell characters like Captain America and Power Girl should be jokes, but they're not.
Deadpool is a top tier comic character these days. The Avengers matter again.
It really does change. Oh and for as much as I enjoy Identity Crisis, it does not hold up and it's pretty much the Da Vinci code of comics.
Enjoy both, follow creators not characters. It's a lot easier to drop Superman if you're reading it because you liked JMS' Spidey run than if you can't get past the need to have EVERY SINGLE ISSUE or 'Superman is boring, I'll read All Star Batman over the Superman one'
If you bought Chuck Austen's run of X-Men, then you've spent more money than people who bought FF14. Think about that, don't reward shit for the sake of completion
Eaten By A Grue
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I think Marvel has better writing, but I grew up reading Batman and Superman so I would consider myself to be a DC person.
bengraven
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Not trolling, just making a joke here:
When we were kids, we were such Marvel retards. We always said, "Marvel should buy Batman, then DC can go out of business". Haha, the lamentations of the youth.
20 years later, I'm thinking actually that Batman still is the only good thing that ever came out of DC.
If the last 20 years of DC movies can be used an example.
When we were kids, we were such Marvel retards. We always said, "Marvel should buy Batman, then DC can go out of business". Haha, the lamentations of the youth.
20 years later, I'm thinking actually that Batman still is the only good thing that ever came out of DC.
If the last 20 years of DC movies can be used an example.
PhoncipleBone
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There is a ton of great stuff coming out of DC. Dont let the movies narrow what you read of them.bengraven said:
Historically I was always a DC guy, but after a friend got me into Marvel I like both. Because I spent my youth there, I know way more about the DC universe and its silliness than I do about Marvel.
These days, I read both universes here and there, including their spin-off universes. Honestly, though, I read more indie stuff these days.
Also, this is tame compared to the Marvel/D.C. wars of the 80's. When I worked at the comic store we'd see these ugly flare ups from customers, particularly as D.C. got a reputation for being more adult and non-fanboy approachable.
These days, I read both universes here and there, including their spin-off universes. Honestly, though, I read more indie stuff these days.
Also, this is tame compared to the Marvel/D.C. wars of the 80's. When I worked at the comic store we'd see these ugly flare ups from customers, particularly as D.C. got a reputation for being more adult and non-fanboy approachable.
TheKaeptain
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bengraven said:
I'm a big Batman fan but Flash and Green Lantern have killing it lately.
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
I don't really read Marvel but my perception is their comics try a little hard to be edgy or topical or something like that. I only read Batman stuff but it never seems like it's angsty teen material.
Like I said, I don't read Marvel but that's always the vibe I get from their stuff.
Like I said, I don't read Marvel but that's always the vibe I get from their stuff.
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